Stop being fascinated by the Uchiha so much and think rationally!

[Dantee]

Yh but he, just as hiruzen inherited what the senju the younger sons descendants believed in read my post above.

You mean the will of fire? If we're talking about the senju clan then lets just talk about the senju. Minato nor Hiruzen who was dubbed strongest hokage ever were not Senju.

The Uchiha were never going to be picked as hokage candidates and it had nothing to do with their abilities.

As I have said before and will keep saying:

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Deal with it... fanboy.

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You who can't respect other peoples opinions after they give a legit reason is worst than a fanboy.

So ┌∩┐(o.0)┌∩┐ you.

omg wow, can you think outside the box at all? his last name doesnt have to be senju for him to be a descendant, the senju clan was huge and used to make up most of konoha alongside Uchiha, did you not get that? hyuuga, ino, shika, cho, hatake, namikaze, sarutobi, haruno, inuzuka, aburame and most of all Uzumaki! are all part of Senju, can you understand that?

:sy: If Kishi wanted them to be senju he would have put their last name as Senju. You really think all those clans are part of Senju? That is a big accussation at least put some kind of proof. There is none so here is a meme for your fail my friend.

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[Ressurected Crow]

Uzumaki came from that little whirlpool village. However, they are distant relatives. Assuming these other clans are all Senju, is rather childish. True, it's supposed, that Senju made clans and families of their own, but Masashi has yet to post a little fun fact saying, "These clans are of Senju descent."

 

[The God of Wind]

let me explain it even better, the uchiha clan is strong in small number because they were born from the elder son with the eyes, that is why their powers are concentrated among a few people, it is kekke genkai, and power is their birth right.

The Senju's power does not come from hatred and kekke genkai, i think hashi developed wood style on his own, otherwise his brother would have it too. my point is the senju warriors are true geniuses, better than Uchiha, cause they start from scratch and their motivation is the safety of their loved ones which is pretty much the entire village, when u have something like that on your shoulders and u truly care that is when you achieve true strength like Naruto did right before our eyes, from a little kid to current status, we saw him grow up, and what drove him, his word and his love for his village and people, even though they hated him like crazy at first, that is how you know he is a true descendant of the The Sage's second son, his way is love.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

You mean the will of fire? If we're talking about the senju clan then lets just talk about the senju. Minato nor Hiruzen who was dubbed strongest hokage ever were not Senju.

The Uchiha were never going to be picked as hokage candidates and it had nothing to do with their abilities.

Hashirama was the strongest hokage so senju win again :shrug:

 

[Ressurected Crow]

Also, Minato fought Tobi, who is said, at least for now to "Not be Madara"...And, Tobi was impressed with Minato, s he left without fighting on. He could've, because he did recover from that Rasengan with amazing time.

 

[The God of Wind]

You mean the will of fire? If we're talking about the senju clan then lets just talk about the senju. Minato nor Hiruzen who was dubbed strongest hokage ever were not Senju.

The Uchiha were never going to be picked as hokage candidates and it had nothing to do with their abilities.


You who can't respect other peoples opinions after they give a legit reason is worst than a fanboy.

So ┌∩┐(o.0)┌∩┐ you.



:sy: If Kishi wanted them to be senju he would have put their last name as Senju. You really think all those clans are part of Senju? That is a big accussation at least put some kind of proof. There is none so here is a meme for your fail my friend.

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i told u already, read the manga, konoha used to be senju and uchiha only,"uchiha made a pact with senju and konoha was born" thats what madara said , go read it bro, the bloodline thins and and new last names are created, why cant you cross that mental barrier? is your grandmothers or aunts last name your last name? think about it

 

[Dantee]

Hashirama was the strongest hokage so senju win again :shrug:

Now you're just proving my point. :ice:

i told u already, read the manga, konoha used to be senju and uchiha only,"uchiha made a pact with senju and konoha was born" thats what madara said , go read it bro, the bloodline thins and and new last names are created, why cant you cross that mental barrier? is your grandmothers or aunts last name your last name? think about it

It started with Senju and Uchiha but don't you think other clans would join too. You're just throwing out accusations with no proof. Minato is not a senju :sy:

For the record lets say your are right and they are all part senju


They are not a part of the senju clan.

 

[Ressurected Crow]

Not all Uchiha were bound for hatred. o.o Does nobody remember Shisui? Obito? Itachi the most recent? They all died, protecting Konoha in their own ways. (Itachi's 'second death' was his way of protecting Konoha.)

 

[The God of Wind]

You mean the will of fire? If we're talking about the senju clan then lets just talk about the senju. Minato nor Hiruzen who was dubbed strongest hokage ever were not Senju.

The Uchiha were never going to be picked as hokage candidates and it had nothing to do with their abilities.


You who can't respect other peoples opinions after they give a legit reason is worst than a fanboy.

So ┌∩┐(o.0)┌∩┐ you.



:sy: If Kishi wanted them to be senju he would have put their last name as Senju. You really think all those clans are part of Senju? That is a big accussation at least put some kind of proof. There is none so here is a meme for your fail my friend.

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heres some more proof: why would Madara say he saw hashirama in naruto when naruto's last name should be Namikaze technically and he calls himself uzumaki? shouldnt his last name be senju then? that is thinking outside the box bro, i dont need xhibit to show me how okay? be polite, you dont have to try and insult me to prove ur point, that is not debating, u are clearly stuck on a last name

also read post number 23, it explains my idea and possibly the truth, hopefully

 

[Dantee]

i told u already, read the manga, konoha used to be senju and uchiha only,"uchiha made a pact with senju and konoha was born" thats what madara said , go read it bro, the bloodline thins and and new last names are created, why cant you cross that mental barrier? is your grandmothers or aunts last name your last name? think about it

heres some more proof: why would Madara say he saw hashirama in naruto when naruto's last name should be Namikaze technically and he calls himself uzumaki? shouldnt his last name be senju then? that is thinking outside the box bro, i dont need xhibit to show me how okay? be polite

also read post number 23, it explains my idea and possibly the truth, hopefully

Post 27: I dont agree with you, but even if they are part senju they were not in the senju clan. Argument invalid.

 

[Ressurected Crow]

People see Hashirama in Naruto due to his never dying will. He IS both Uzumaki and Namikaze. Kushina came right out of the Uzumaki clan as a complete Uzumaki. She, and a Namikaze gave birth to little Naruto. Who even said Namikaze originated in Konoha? You have no proof, as far as that goes. Therefore, it is a hypothosis.

 

[The God of Wind]

Post 27: I dont agree with you, but even if they are part senju they were not in the senju clan. Argument invalid.

will you stop holding me to every word?! lol im not the one writing a manga, i meant they have all descended from the the sage's kind son, i didnt say konoha was born from hashi's balls, that would be too much even for himxd

People see Hashirama in Naruto due to his never dying will. He IS both Uzumaki and Namikaze. Kushina came right out of the Uzumaki clan as a complete Uzumaki. She, and a Namikaze gave birth to little Naruto. Who even said Namikaze originated in Konoha? You have no proof, as far as that goes. Therefore, it is a hypothosis.

so ur agreeing with me but disagreeing at the same time? hows that work? "people" dont see anything in him except a miracle, hero etc etc. Madara is the one who made that statement, the will of fire is what has been passed down from the sage's good son. Senju, sarutobi, namikaze, uzumaki, are just last names, that will is whats important, and the need to protect their loved ones is what makes them strong.

if you want to get stuck on a last name, you can Uchiha it up, they are the ones that care for such things!

 

[Ressurected Crow]

Well, my dear. Mito's ovaries would have to be working very hard, if Kishimoto made her and Hashirama give birth to Konoha's whole population...After like, the first ten, the babies would just fall out on their own accord.

 

[Ressurected Crow]

"The Will Of Fire" Is a Konoha trait. Hiruzen says so himsef. Also, I mean people in general. Doesn't mean characters in the game. As for Madara, my opinion remains the same. Naruto would be related to Senju. From like...as distant as...Japan, to California distant.

 

[The God of Wind]

Well, my dear. Mito's ovaries would have to be working very hard, if Kishimoto made her and Hashirama give birth to Konoha's whole population...After like, the first ten, the babies would just fall out on their own accord.

I never said he did!, I JUST told you, they ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE SAGE'S KIND SON, last names do not matter to anyone except the Uchiha.

"The Will Of Fire" Is a Konoha trait. Hiruzen says so himsef. Also, I mean people in general. Doesn't mean characters in the game. As for Madara, my opinion remains the same. Naruto would be related to Senju. From like...as distant as...Japan, to California distant.

you really think they are that far apart? or just for the sake of arguing? why are you so sceptical? i still believe in that thread that had really good reasons for Tsunade being Minato's aunt or even mother.

 

[Dantee]

will you stop holding me to every word?! lol im not the one writing a manga, i meant they have all descended from the the sage's kind son, i didnt say konoha was born from hashi's balls, that would be too much even for himxd

Lol I see what you're saying. However the whole clan being genetically related to the sages son, I don't think thats what happened. It's just that the village works hard on good relations between comrades that is the will of fire inherited from the senju. Caring about each other, friendship and morals.

However it has nothing to do with the Senju's overall strength. I still Hashi just overshadowed everyone else and made them famous.

 

[Ressurected Crow]

I never said tha you said it. I'm just saying. "IF" <-- Keyword there.

 

[Ressurected Crow]

Well. When, in the manga (Anime's too full of filler.) When Masashi hints more clearly at Minato being related to Tsunade, then I shall believe that. It is possible. However, Tsunade's only known lover is Dan. He didn't have a child, only a niece Shizune. (At least I believe that s the relation.) If you do not want people to argue, put your opinions in a way that make sense to a variety of people, instead of yourself.

 

[The God of Wind]

Lol I see what you're saying. However the whole clan being genetically related to the sages son, I don't think thats what happened. It's just that the village works hard on good relations between comrades that is the will of fire inherited from the senju. Caring about each other, friendship and morals.

However it has nothing to do with the Senju's overall strength. I still Hashi just overshadowed everyone else and made them famous.

what is their overall strength? why did hashi create mokuton and his brother did not, it is not his clans trait, he was smart enough and strong enough on his own, and his brother had his own abilities, so did sarutobi, and i dont have to say anything about minato and naruto(the first perfect jinchuuriki of the kyuubi, if you were gona use kyuubi and call him lucky.

i am saying that all descendants of the younger son are unique in their own way, and carry extreme love for their fellow man, just look at Naruto who conquered everyones hatred and has the trust of the rest of the bijuus! all have their own seperate power, completely different from the previous one.

uchiha on the other hand are arrogant in themselves, their clan and the name Uchiha, with a few exceptions(being good, Shisui and Itachi only suffered for the sake of others, that was their curse as uchiha, be evil or never feel happiness and fulfillment being good, they chose to die as martyrs),

the uchihas power is sorta concentrated like their Chakra which makes the perfect susanoo(metaphor, in case you missed it). they can only achieve true strength by being evil, Itachi or shisui were prodigies with just half their power!

Well. When, in the manga (Anime's too full of filler.) When Masashi hints more clearly at Minato being related to Tsunade, then I shall believe that. It is possible. However, Tsunade's only known lover is Dan. He didn't have a child, only a niece Shizune. (At least I believe that s the relation.) If you do not want people to argue, put your opinions in a way that make sense to a variety of people, instead of yourself.

I do not want to argue! i told you debate with me, in a reasonable fashion, i did not insult you, thinking outside the box is a common term, u didnt have to go look for something insulting to make a comeback, shows how strong your argument is.(not that much btw)

Do not turn Senju name into something like Uchiha, if you know what i mean.........