Still can't believe how Nagato was defeated

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How was Juubi Obito defeated? By the same bullshit. Juubi Obito was many times stronger than Nagato. Infact, he was the strongest aside from Rikudo (and perhaps his mother).
that is true juubito was many times stronger than everyone but since there was no way for him to be beaten in battle kishi had to use tnj which is the most op jutsu ever...just like nagato...and the same thing happened to kabuto, kishi created a jutsu just to defeat kabuto since he couldnt be bested by the uchiha brothers, and its funny how izanagi can only be used once an uchiha has senju dna but izanami doesnt require senju dna...he tends to make people too powerful and then has no way of beating them so...
 

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actually it was quite fitting for someone with his power :yeah:

facing a legendary Uchiha and two perfect Jinchuuriki's (the strongest two), which perfectly explain how kishi view's this character (to set up a fight like that from a writer's prospective/3on1).

besides he had his own arc so i don't see how Kishi would hate him, Nagato killed my favorite character and i still think he's a BOSS :p everyone likes that beast.
 

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take away renningan what has nagato got NOTHING!!!
kenfolk i already said its true, just like a lot of other high level guys would be considerably weaker without their borrowed power...whats the matter with u, i can tell since u ignored the rest of my post u just dnt like nagato, but if u dnt like nagato why come to a thread about nagato??? its my understanding that if u dnt like something then u avoid it right??? no, since u are breaking that logic right now
 

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actually it was quite fitting for someone with his power :yeah:

facing a legendary Uchiha and two perfect Jinchuuriki's (the strongest two), which perfectly explain how kishi view's this character (to set up a fight like that from a writer's prospective/3on1).

besides he had his own arc so i don't see how Kishi would hate him, Nagato killed my favorite character and i still think he's a BOSS :p everyone likes that beast.
i dnt think he hates anything that has to do with his creation which is NARUTO
 

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Nagato fans will tell you that Kabuto didn't know how to fight with him, and that he was Nagato's downfall, yet they will disregard the fact that Kabuto was the one who used Nagato to his fullest potential, far better than Nagato himself did on auto-pilot.

Nagato was never better than when Kabuto used him as a puppet.
That's pure bullcrap, nagato knows the rinnegan better than anyone and how can you say kabuto was better than Nagato when we've never seen him use the paths in 1 body? Edo tensei summons never fight at full power on auto pilot, anyone claiming Kabuto did better than Nagato has no idea what they're talking about.
 
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obito, zetsu, konan, all who basically grew up with nagato and knw everything about all have said nagato was unbeatable or invincible even while weakened so **** what kabuto think he knws he didnt knw nagato's abilities, after itachi stopped edo nagato from ripping out kcm naruto's soul, kabuto said i wonder what else nagato can do? that right there is a clear indication that he made edo nagato look weaker, and that he dnt knw shit
Did I even mention his power? No, he got caught by Totsuka because he could use his legs properly.
 

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Itachi:
-dealt with all of Nagato's summons.
-figured out a way to counter Nagato's strongest move.
-burned Nagato to a crisp, chopped his arm off, and then delivered the final blow with Totsuka.

If you ask me, the entire fight was just a subliminal Itachi wankfest.
 

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Nagato, the wielder of the Rinnegan, the potential Child of Prophecy, and the man who flattened Konoha, was defeated in a SINGLE chapter.

He went from owning two Perfect Jinchūriki's to apologizing for what he did.

Does Kishimoto hate Nagato or something? Because even in the Road to Ninja movie he made Itachi the leader instead of him.

We, the fans, deserve to see more of Nagato.
In my opinion Kishi only screwed up, he should have put a larger time gap before the war started, this would let Naruto train in KM longer and Kishi can have Naruto learn more wind jutsus and possibly learn Kenjutsus from Bee where instead of 8 blades, Naruto would use 9. Have Sasuke gain more control over his EMS so we can see if Sasuke gets any other powers plus he can give Sasuke Madara's fan/blade to use or something else new.

This would let him make Naruto, Bee and Itachi go all out against Nagato so we can see everything Nagato can use since Nagato can use all jutsus since the Rinnegan created all jutsus while showing some jutsus we haven't seen from Itachi or Bee and show off Naruto's training. He can do the same with Sasuke's training with Itachi against Kabuto but Kishi is just speeding thru. He gives Naruto and Sasuke's these power ups with little to no training for them to make full use of it.
 

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Itachi:
-dealt with all of Nagato's summons.
-figured out a way to counter Nagato's strongest move.
-burned Nagato to a crisp, chopped his arm off, and then delivered the final blow with Totsuka.
If you ask me, the entire fight was just a subliminal Itachi wankfest.
This. Itachi is being severely underestimated here, while in fact only he fought nagato others did nothing useful.
Contrary to general belief kabuto controlled nagato pretty damn well and used all his abilities also summons to counter lack of mobility. Kabuto isnt noob.
I agree that its not the way for nagato to go down but this is how shit works in itachi's presence lol, we've got worse fights then this.
 

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Its was mostly due to Nagato's spontaneous monologue disease ... If he had just shut up, there was no way Naruto could have TNJed him.
 

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This. Itachi is being severely underestimated here, while in fact only he fought nagato others did nothing useful.
Contrary to general belief kabuto controlled nagato pretty damn well and used all his abilities also summons to counter lack of mobility. Kabuto isnt noob.
I agree that its not the way for nagato to go down but this is how shit works in itachi's presence lol, we've got worse fights then this.
It's the exact opposite, Itachi is being overrated, he off paneled the summons while Nagato was preoccupied with Kbee and Nardo, Nagato didn't even want to fight. Do you think he'd have been able to find those blind spots against Nagato's summons in a 1 on 1 and would have burned the cerberus when Nagato can sense amaterasu?

And Kabuto was a newb, he stood there with nagato because he was planning to tank the next attack not knowing that Itachi had a powerful sealing tech. It's already been proven that edo's are weaker than their living counterparts, to say kabuto used Nagato to his full potential is just stupid.
 

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It's the exact opposite, Itachi is being overrated, he off paneled the summons while Nagato was preoccupied with Kbee and Nardo, Nagato didn't even want to fight. Do you think he'd have been able to find those blind spots against Nagato's summons in a 1 on 1 and would have burned the cerberus when Nagato can sense amaterasu?
There is nothing nagato can do to save summons from amaterasu unless run to burning area and preta absorb it, kinda hard with his mobility. Finding blind spots for MS user like itachi is piece of cake, his shuriken just take 1 second.
And Kabuto was a newb, he stood there with nagato because he was planning to tank the next attack not knowing that Itachi had a powerful sealing tech. It's already been proven that edo's are weaker than their living counterparts, to say kabuto used Nagato to his full potential is just stupid.
Kabuto did all he could do with nagato, there isnt anything better that nagato himself ever displayed. Its just general speculation that nagato would do better on his own. Nagato got power, kabuto is intelligent as hell and better at using nagato's power. Itachi was edo as well? Your point?
 

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There is nothing nagato can do to save summons from amaterasu unless run to burning area and preta absorb it, kinda hard with his mobility. Finding blind spots for MS user like itachi is piece of cake, his shuriken just take 1 second.
Kabuto did all he could do with nagato, there isnt anything better that nagato himself ever displayed. Its just general speculation that nagato would do better on his own. Nagato got power, kabuto is intelligent as hell and better at using nagato's power. Itachi was edo as well? Your point?
Itachi had free will and had Kbee and Naruto to serve as distractions, he did most of the damage before Nagato even tried to attack him and Kabuto was a noob who admitted that if edo's kept their personality they fought better, which is why ppl like Deidara were allowed to keep their free will while others such as Nagato had to be controlled. And Nagato is a sensor, he wouldn't be able to hide from nagato long enough to catch any summons with a shuriken.

You're foolish if you think Nagato could have pulled all that off with Nagato bearing down on him. and shuriken and amaterasu could be blocked with shinra tensei as easy as pie.
 

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Itachi had free will and had Kbee and Naruto to serve as distractions, he did most of the damage before Nagato even tried to attack him and Kabuto was a noob who admitted that if edo's kept their personality they fought better, which is why ppl like Deidara were allowed to keep their free will while others such as Nagato had to be controlled. And Nagato is a sensor, he wouldn't be able to hide from nagato long enough to catch any summons with a shuriken.
Nagato would fight better with his own free will? When was the last fight he himself has fought? Deidara sucked. Kabuto took on other's powers and went against uchiha bros. Saying he sucks using others is false.
You're foolish if you think Nagato could have pulled all that off with Nagato bearing down on him. and shuriken and amaterasu could be blocked with shinra tensei as easy as pie.
Lol show me a scan where one can sense chakra less items such as shurikens.
Its impossible to time shinra tensei with amaterasu. Amaterasu appears on target, ST wouldnt blow it off from summons and even if it did it would own the summons.
 

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Nagato would fight better with his own free will? When was the last fight he himself has fought? Deidara sucked. Kabuto took on other's powers and went against uchiha bros. Saying he sucks using others is false.
Lol show me a scan where one can sense chakra less items such as shurikens.
Its impossible to time shinra tensei with amaterasu. Amaterasu appears on target, ST wouldnt blow it off from summons and even if it did it would own the summons.
How could He find a blind spot if Nagato is focusing solely on him? and he can sense the pressure build up of amaterasu, all he'd have to do is use shinra tensei on itachi before he can release amaterasu from the eyes, or shield himself with it like he did against Naruto's FRS.

You seem to base the whole fight on Itachi getting lucky and blinding the summons and what not but the thing is without Naruto and Kbee Itachi would not have gotten the chance to do so. Those summons he blinded were focusing on Kbee and Naruto leaving Itachi ample time to do as he pleased, obviously Nagato could counter itachi if he was looking at him, Itachi doesn't make shurikens appear out of thin air. And Kabuto sucks with rinnegan as he has less experience with it. What you said about his stolen powers is completely irrelevant.
 

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Itachi:
-dealt with all of Nagato's summons.
-figured out a way to counter Nagato's strongest move.
-burned Nagato to a crisp, chopped his arm off, and then delivered the final blow with Totsuka.

If you ask me, the entire fight was just a subliminal Itachi wankfest.
-When Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee.
-That doesn't mean he would have figured out all of Nagato's secrets since he didn't really fight Nagato.
-Nagato sensed Amaterasu but KA freed Itachi then Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato Summons and Nagato. Itachi only was able to cut off Nagato's hand because Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee. No knowledge of Totsuka blade, Nagato is cripple and plot stopped him from ST the blade away.

There is nothing nagato can do to save summons from amaterasu unless run to burning area and preta absorb it, kinda hard with his mobility. Finding blind spots for MS user like itachi is piece of cake, his shuriken just take 1 second.
Kabuto did all he could do with nagato, there isnt anything better that nagato himself ever displayed. Its just general speculation that nagato would do better on his own. Nagato got power, kabuto is intelligent as hell and better at using nagato's power. Itachi was edo as well? Your point?
Naruto can move the flames off his summons as he lifted the nail from the piece of wood and . Nagato can control 6 bodies at once, Kabuto didn't do this. Nagato more than likely would use a summon to for mobility, find some ninjas, kill them and use their corps. Nagato also mastered all 6 elements at a young age yet haven't shown to use any of them.

Itachi benefits from being an edo even though he wasn't at full power, he no longer had his disease which he was dying from alive so he could go all out, he didn't have to worry about his low stamina, didn't have to worry about the pain that he feels when using his MS jutsu and Susanoo was the worst of it.

Rinnegan user has better vision than MS since it's a more evolved version and Nagato had it far longer than Itachi had his Sharingan. He's higher up than a Senju or Uchiha, he's a path of the Sage just like Madara and Obito.

Nagato would fight better with his own free will? When was the last fight he himself has fought? Deidara sucked. Kabuto took on other's powers and went against uchiha bros. Saying he sucks using others is false.
Lol show me a scan where one can sense chakra less items such as shurikens.
Its impossible to time shinra tensei with amaterasu. Amaterasu appears on target, ST wouldnt blow it off from summons and even if it did it would own the summons.
Nagato in his own free will would make use of the 6POP unlike Kabuto, even Obito made use of it with the Jinchuurikis. In a one on one fight with alive Itachi, what does Itachi do when Nagato use Deva path ability to push him miles away? This alone was enough to push 3 Giant toads and broke all of Gamabuta's bones. Then have his bird fly him over Itachi and shoot missiles while the bird drops it's exploding eggs down on Itachi while sending his invisible Lizard (he'll have to active the sharingan's chakra seeing ability which is not always active) at the same time.

Shurikens would get evaded since Nagato would see them, it would simply me like what happened with Jiraiya , and . Sensing Amaterasu would allow Nagato to either push Itachi with Deva before he use it, attack Itachi with his crab stream of bubbles which would take Amaterasu like Sasuke's Katon did .
 
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