[VS] sternritters vs the espada who are the better villains

[explore]

who are the better group of villains

 

[Tantalus Thief]

The espada imo.

 

[Sir Blades]

I liked the Spada better, but the Sternritter seem pretty interesting.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The Sternritter have Pepe. He brings the average down so much that even if all the other sternritters were Askin, they wouldn't be as epic as Luppi.

Compaing them 1-1

Yammy - Gerard (Big Muscular Chump who deserved everything he got) Advantage - Gerard because Yammy was never a threat, wheras people seem to thing Gerard is.

Starrk - Askin (Certified Badass) Advantage - Askin. Start got taken down by Shunsui in Shikai, while Askin forced URAHARA to go Bankai.

Barragan - Lille (I AM A GOD NOW DIE!) Advantage - Barragan, because he looks more threatening, his powers are more logical, and his defeat didn't require the Mystical Paddle of Slaying Barragan Loisenbarn. Still hate him.

Haribell - Bernice (Hypothetically important, but nothing major.) Advantage - Haribel. Yea, i'm rigging this comparison. What of it?

Ulquiorra - Haschwalth (The Stoic, Infinite Fangirls) I'm afraid that if i say either of them wins, their fangirls will come to kill me.

Nnoitora - Gremmy (I AM THE STRONGEST EVER!) Advantage - Nnoitora. Actually posed a threat to Kenpachi. Gremmy was just there to show how strong Kenpachi was.

Grimmjow - Bazz-B (The Hothead, Infinite Fanboys) Advantage - Grimmjow. When he fought the stoic of infinite fangirls, he technically won. When Bazz-B fought Haschwalth, he didn't.

Zomarri - Pepe (The token black guy who's powers involve shouting about love to control things who fights Byakuya, then activates a gross looking super form only to be suddenly defeated by Kido/Kensei) Advantage - Zomarri. Because the alternative would be talking about Pepe.

Szaelapporo - Meninas (Pink Hair is the strongest hair) Advantage - Szaelapporo. Because i couldn't pronounce his name, i assume he must be the strongest. Also only slightly rigging it.

Aaroniero - Pernida (Eldrich Abomination) Advantage - Pernida, and it's not even close. How does it feel to be killed by someone who is lower ranked than Hanataro Yamada? And that's why Aaroniero lost.

Luppi - Kirge (Generic Warm Up villain) Kirge, because **** Luppi. How was he ranked above Szaelapporo again?

Dordoni - Shaz Domino (Are you even a Sternritter/Espada?) Advantage - Dordoni. Because he looks like Dracule Mihawk. You just can't beat that.

Neliel - Uryu (Token Good Teammate) Advantage - Neliel, for two reasons.

 

[wanderingcactus]

idk hard to say...

thats a close call but im going with Espada.

I mean Aizen is pretty much the strongest of them all. even to Ywach it seems.

 

[VollstandigOn]

I think that the espada are better villians just because they gave some of the captains a hard time, while the sternritter were less effective against the captains and liutenants, even though there were more sternritter.

 

[ssjelf]

I think that the espada are better villians just because they gave some of the captains a hard time, while the sternritter were less effective against the captains and liutenants, even though there were more sternritter.

You should re-read this arc. The sternritters have been far more effective both as a group and individually. When they first invaded, almost every captain got his ass handed to them. Only after training did they come back and even then had a very difficult time. The only threat to souls society at all in the espada arc was aizen himself, he did most of the work because all the captains were still around to fight him until he beat them. Look at the sternritters, it is taking 3 captains to hold down gerard. 2 captains and a lieutenant to beat pernida. Urahara, yoruichi and grimmjoww to take down askin, a captain-commander and two lieutenants to bring down x-axis. If you were to replace all the sternritters with only the strongest 10, the result would be identical to how it is now. The full sternritter force wasnt even defeated by the gotei 13 but by YH himself lol. The sternritters are far and beyond more effective in their battle.
OT: More of the sternritters are cool but there are also 2.6 times more of them. I would say that only half the espada were cool (the 5-1) whereas maybe a third of the sternritters are cool. So percentage wise, easpada are cooler, but gotta give it to the sternritters more because more of the cool sternritters are getting more screentime then the cool espada.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

The group that accomplished the most in a span of a few weeks :bdpf:....or was it days ?

 

[Tarkatower]

Sternritters

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

You should re-read this arc. The sternritters have been far more effective both as a group and individually. When they first invaded, almost every captain got his ass handed to them. Only after training did they come back and even then had a very difficult time. The only threat to souls society at all in the espada arc was aizen himself, he did most of the work because all the captains were still around to fight him until he beat them. Look at the sternritters, it is taking 3 captains to hold down gerard. 2 captains and a lieutenant to beat pernida. Urahara, yoruichi and grimmjoww to take down askin, a captain-commander and two lieutenants to bring down x-axis. If you were to replace all the sternritters with only the strongest 10, the result would be identical to how it is now. The full sternritter force wasnt even defeated by the gotei 13 but by YH himself lol. The sternritters are far and beyond more effective in their battle.
OT: More of the sternritters are cool but there are also 2.6 times more of them. I would say that only half the espada were cool (the 5-1) whereas maybe a third of the sternritters are cool. So percentage wise, easpada are cooler, but gotta give it to the sternritters more because more of the cool sternritters are getting more screentime then the cool espada.

If we're being technical about it, there's only twice as many Sternritters as there are Espada. There are four extra Sternritter (Uryu, Loyd Lloyd, Shaz Domino and Guenal Lee), and five extra Espada (Nel, Luppi, Dordoni, Cirruci, Gantenbain).

 

[ToshiZO]

Sternritters are stronger...Espada are much better/more explored characters.

Grimmjow and Ulquiorra alone take a huge dump on Juha Bach and the entire army of Sternritters.

Aizen craps on Juha Bach as a lead villain just incase it wasn't bad enough.

 

[ssjelf]

Sternritters are stronger...Espada are much better/more explored characters.

Grimmjow and Ulquiorra alone take a huge dump on Juha Bach and the entire army of Sternritters.

Aizen craps on Juha Bach as a lead villain just incase it wasn't bad enough.

Grimmjoww and ulquiorra barely cancel out how dumb zommarri, yammy, and szayalaporro were let alone the technicalities that creepystalker mentioned. There are a lot of bad apples in the sternritters but none so bad as that. And imo aizen is like a 10 on cool and juha is like an 8. kinda tempted to make an entire list now.

If we're being technical about it, there's only twice as many Sternritters as there are Espada. There are four extra Sternritter (Uryu, Loyd Lloyd, Shaz Domino and Guenal Lee), and five extra Espada (Nel, Luppi, Dordoni, Cirruci, Gantenbain).

You are right about the sternritters but the espada there I wouldn't count Nel for sure because she wasn't a villain and the other three only get off on a technicality of being former espada. But if I was counting them, the sternritter just become cooler.

 

[ToshiZO]

Grimmjoww and ulquiorra barely cancel out how dumb zommarri, yammy, and szayalaporro were let alone the technicalities that creepystalker mentioned. There are a lot of bad apples in the sternritters but none so bad as that. And imo aizen is like a 10 on cool and juha is like an 8. kinda tempted to make an entire list now.



You are right about the sternritters but the espada there I wouldn't count Nel for sure because she wasn't a villain and the other three only get off on a technicality of being former espada. But if I was counting them, the sternritter just become cooler.

Grimmjow and Ulquiorra are so vastly superior to the point where they can have shitstains standing beside them and it wouldn't matter.

No Sternritter even touches the dirt under their shoes.

I'm sleeping through some of these chapters, lame and boring af are these sternritters. Its like a group of mediocrity vs a group with more risks (hit or miss with some characters). Its true as a whole there aren't any Zommari level characters but I can't even remember a chunk of these sternritters names, that's how insignificant and boring they are...not fleshed out at all. I'll take risky polarizing characters over lame mediocre no names any day of the week.

 

[ssjelf]

Grimmjow and Ulquiorra are so vastly superior to the point where they can have shitstains standing beside them and it wouldn't matter.

No Sternritter even touches the dirt under their shoes.

I'm sleeping through some of these chapters, lame and boring af are these sternritters. Its like a group of mediocrity vs a group with more risks (hit or miss with some characters). Its true as a whole there aren't any Zommari level characters but I can't even remember a chunk of these sternritters names, that's how insignificant and boring they are...not fleshed out at all. I'll take risky polarizing characters over lame mediocre no names any day of the week.

Obviously it is gonna come down to personal preference but those 3 i mentioned actively ruined my blaeach experience. I genuine hate their existence and while I do remember them, its only because they were so annoying I cant forget. In this arc I cant remember every name but a lot of them gave genuinely interesting fights even if i dont remember the details. I especially liked Mask, gremmy, askin, bambi and as nodt's fights. They all has interesting and unique abilities. I only wished that a few of them got to actiually fight like mustache guy and bazz B (dissapointed we didnt get him vs renji and rukia) They didnt get as much time because there were more of them.

But to be honest, there isnt anything unique about grimmjoww and ulquiorra really. They are both super stereotypical villains. I alos think that because we are in an actual war, we aren't really supposed to sympathize with the baddies, at least not yet. besides that, I dont read bleach for the characters, it isn't a great skill of kubos to provide much motivatiion for liking characters besides very superficial traits, gin is creepy so people like him even before his character was developed, people liked aizen because he was cool calm bad guy with master plan, ulquiorra because he was cold as hell, grimmjoww because he gave no f**ks and zaraki because he was crazy, at no point did I ever like a character in bleach for their story except gin when he died. I read bleach for cool contests of unique powers and the comeback moments. I read one piece for the feels.

Oh and as a final note, I am very disappointed in gerard mainly because his power turned out to be lame, but before that, I really liked his personality. When he challenged all of the group before he got slaughtered and his eye was flashing with lightning i got chills because i thought he was so badass, but unfortunately he wasnt. Potential there, but wasnt followed through with in his abilities.

 

[ToshiZO]

Obviously it is gonna come down to personal preference but those 3 i mentioned actively ruined my blaeach experience. I genuine hate their existence and while I do remember them, its only because they were so annoying I cant forget. In this arc I cant remember every name but a lot of them gave genuinely interesting fights even if i dont remember the details. I especially liked Mask, gremmy, askin, bambi and as nodt's fights. They all has interesting and unique abilities. I only wished that a few of them got to actiually fight like mustache guy and bazz B (dissapointed we didnt get him vs renji and rukia) They didnt get as much time because there were more of them.

But to be honest, there isnt anything unique about grimmjoww and ulquiorra really. They are both super stereotypical villains. I alos think that because we are in an actual war, we aren't really supposed to sympathize with the baddies, at least not yet. besides that, I dont read bleach for the characters, it isn't a great skill of kubos to provide much motivatiion for liking characters besides very superficial traits, gin is creepy so people like him even before his character was developed, people liked aizen because he was cool calm bad guy with master plan, ulquiorra because he was cold as hell, grimmjoww because he gave no f**ks and zaraki because he was crazy, at no point did I ever like a character in bleach for their story except gin when he died. I read bleach for cool contests of unique powers and the comeback moments. I read one piece for the feels.

Honestly Kubo is not great when it comes to anything but cool characters here and there. Plot is all over the place and repetitive. Its almost like I'm seeing the same structure in every major arc. Powers are horribly thought up and asspullish. Its just a big cluster****.

Only read Bleach because of a select few characters at this point.

Btw Szayalapporro was amazing. Mayuri's fight against the hand was made so much better because of him. Yammi coexisted with Ulquiorra perfectly, he played his role as needed...no issues with him until he went 0.

 

[ssjelf]

Honestly Kubo is not great when it comes to anything but cool characters here and there. Plot is all over the place and repetitive. Its almost like I'm seeing the same structure in every major arc. Powers are horribly thought up and asspullish. Its just a big cluster****.

Only read Bleach because of a select few characters at this point.

Btw Szayalapporro was amazing. Mayuri's fight against the hand was made so much better because of him. Yammi coexisted with Ulquiorra perfectly, he played his role as needed...no issues with him until he went 0.

That fight is the only reason szaylaporro isnt a negative 10 on my scale. Yammiy and ulq was ok, yammy going 0 was lame.

 

[kuchiyosenojutsuironmaidn]

Good villains know to bring healers. Just sayin'.