ss4 goku>>>>> beerus AND whis at the same time.

[TimothyTheTomato]

Toriyama is one of them. Power level 18,000 can destroy earth, and power level 100,000,000,000,000,000,000's trump card is still planet busting. Methinks there be bullshit.

Not a trump card or full extent of abilities
One planet being destroyed is all it takes to leave saiyans stranded in space
If one wished too much more can be destroyed
Buu in the manga was stated several times to be universal
Before you claim bullshit
The difference between a moon buster and a regular human is small as the gap between a ss and base form
And having twice the ki of a human can make you tank gun shots and lift cars
Ki is exponentially growing in aoe and potency

 

[Rekudakune]

Fail!!!!
SSJ 2 Enraged Vegeta>>>>SSJ3 Goku

Frankly Goku also stated that even if they used fusion which means also using SSJ3 Vegito they would still be no match against Beerus.

And yet many people claim that even SSJ 1 Vegito is stronger than SSJ4 Goku. So yeah. Even feat wise, Beerus ripped a planet apart with a flick of his finger And Whis can react and move before the signal wave can reach his or the opponents brain which is something that you cannot simply surpass without having some form of hax powers and also being able to reverse time, aswell survive in space. Anyway Whis solos entire DBZ verse with ease let alone SSJ4 Goku.