[SRA] Sasuke vs Neji, Kiba & Naruto

[Antdog]

It's September. We can stop this idiotic wank now.

That's like asking can you stop talking out your ass and stop being an ass. We can but we won't

 

[KidGamer65]

That's like asking can you stop talking out your ass and stop being an ass. We can but we won't

Bold is ironic coming from one of the worst active posters.

 

[Antdog]

Bold is ironic coming from one of the worst active posters.

Funny enough the bold is ironic coming from you since you fit right into the bold. Come back when you know how to do something actually useful and constructive such as replying with counters to peoples points for once rather then crying like a five dollar ***** that everything you don't agree with is wank. Until then, you're not worth any time of mine, peace :bouncy:

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Funny enough the bold is ironic coming from you since you fit right into the bold. Come back when you know how to do something actually useful and constructive such as replying with counters to peoples points for once rather then crying like a five dollar ***** that everything you don't agree with is wank. Until then, you're not worth any time of mine, peace :bouncy:

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i didn't know they came that cheap.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

sasuke face stomps kiba and neji first and naruto last. neji wont even be able to touch sasuke with 3t pre-cog , neji will just get countered and just hide in his rotation(weakness is his feet or underground(unless neji got kaguya charka needles or palm blast dont see much happening) . sasuke just needs a fart and a lion barrage for kiba, naurto of course is on par so itll prolly just end in a stalemate/k.o on both sides. vote1 results but sasuke is out cold as well. sasuke would had to use more charka and 2nd curse form was to new for him as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

Funny enough the bold is ironic coming from you since you fit right into the bold. Come back when you know how to do something actually useful and constructive such as replying with counters to peoples points for once rather then crying like a five dollar ***** that everything you don't agree with is wank. Until then, you're not worth any time of mine, peace :bouncy:

No use in engaging in serious discussion with a retarded little shit that can't comprehend a children's Manga properly enough to not consistently say things a twat with a single digit IQ would say. Find that missing chromosome of yours and start not saying the first thing that pops into that tiny little brain of yours without actually thinking beforehand. K thanks, even though you and I both know that it's impossible for you to do such.

 

[Hakke]

Same speed via db with lee having better feats

Give me one feat from CE Lee that is superior to crossing 50m in an instant while having two holes in his body.

And Sasuke is not as fast as Lee. The DB stated that Sasuke is 3.5 in speed which is inferior to Lee's and SRA Neji's. And Gai statement is irrelevant because that is merely his assumption. If you want to ignore the DB for what Gai stated, then I'll ignore what the DB stated about Rotation and Gaara sand shield being equal and just go by what Tenten stated about Rotation being superior.

Sasuke pierced Shield of sand without any problem despite the fact its having a secondary layer of protection in spikes [

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I know that Chidori would go through it easily. But for Chidori to reach Neji, Sasuke's entire body need to go through the Chakra shroud and not just his hand as the Chakra shroud is bigger in size than that the shield of sand. And Chidori won't clear the way for Sasuke's entire body so the Chakra would slow his movements. And even if it wouldn't, Neji can still sense Sasuke's movements once he become within the Chakra. That, combined with the Byakugan ability to anticipate movements and Neji's own reaction speed would make reacting to Sasuke's attacks a cakewalk.

 

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Give me one feat from CE Lee that is superior to crossing 50m in an instant while having two holes in his body.

Oh you mean the distance neji crossed while kidomaru was falling and hitting trees repeateadly huh

And Sasuke is not as fast as Lee. The DB stated that Sasuke is 3.5 in speed which is inferior to Lee's and SRA Neji's. And Gai statement is irrelevant because that is merely his assumption. If you want to ignore the DB for what Gai stated, then I'll ignore what the DB stated about Rotation and Gaara sand shield being equal and just go by what Tenten stated about Rotation being superior.

shunshin do you know what that is
Tenten is not Gai.Gai is someone who trained lee in every aspect of his taijutsu;speed and strength.He was the only one who knew all about chidori and Lee's taijutsu which sasuke wasing
He was not making assumption like tenten on other hand DB clearly states it being on same league with gara;s defence so yeah they are more or less equal

I know that Chidori would go through it easily. But for Chidori to reach Neji, Sasuke's entire body need to go through the Chakra shroud and not just his hand as the Chakra shroud is bigger in size than that the shield of sand. And Chidori won't clear the way for Sasuke's entire body so the Chakra would slow his movements. And even if it wouldn't, Neji can still sense Sasuke's movements once he become within the Chakra. That, combined with the Byakugan ability to anticipate movements and Neji's own reaction speed would make reacting to Sasuke's attacks a cakewalk.

and its also far weaker.Chidori will tear right throgh it.Neji needed to rotate against base naruto's punch or dodge in case of a dagger to avoid completely avoid that so no a chakra shroud is not in anyway hampering chidori.

Yes and sasuke has precog to know what neji will do next and stb him accordingly.But its cakewalk for neji just like he reacted to Kidomaru's arrow

 

[Hakke]

Oh you mean the distance neji crossed while kidomaru was falling and hitting trees repeateadly huh

This is when Kidomaru started falling.

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This when Neji started running.

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That was after three pages from the moment that Kidomaru fell meaning that the distance between Kidomaru and the ground was short the moment that Neji started running. Plus, Neji was very badly injured so it doesn't matter if he was hitting the trees. Remove the trees but also remove Neji's injuries and the result would be the same.

And Kidormaru only hit one tree after the moment Neji started running.

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Also, I am still waiting for feats from CE Lee or Vote Sasuke that proves that Sasuke is faster than Neji.

shunshin do you know what that is
Tenten is not Gai.Gai is someone who trained lee in every aspect of his taijutsu;speed and strength.He was the only one who knew all about chidori and Lee's taijutsu which sasuke wasing
He was not making assumption like tenten on other hand DB clearly states it being on same league with gara;s defence so yeah they are more or less equal

I know that Gai is Lee's sensei and all. But you can't really compare speeds and tell that someone is faster than another without proper measures. It is the same case with Tenten. She already saw Gaara's sand yet she claimed that Rotation is superior when it is not the case as Kishimoto himself stated that they are equal and he himself stated that Sasuke's speed is 3.5.

Regardless if he as fast CE Lee or not (which I can easily agree on), you still need to give me feats that suggest that he is faster than SRA Neji

and its also far weaker.Chidori will tear right throgh it.Neji needed to rotate against base naruto's punch or dodge in case of a dagger to avoid completely avoid that so no a chakra shroud is not in anyway hampering chidori.

Neji needed to rotate against Naruto enhanced with Kyuubi Chakra that was surrounding his entire body [

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. Unlike Chidori, that is only surrounding the hand.

Like I said, Chidori can easily go through it but it won't clear the way for Sasuke's entire body so his body movements speed would be slowed down once he become within the shroud. The only thing that would move normally is the hand that has Chidori.

Also, CE Neji's Rotation wasn't complete when he used against Naruto. Neji only spun 90 degree yet it repelled Naruto's attack. A full Rotation is >> than what Neji did. And that was from CE Neji, not SRA Neji who can produce much more Chakra. And it is stated that Rotation is a technique that repels Chakra[

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Yes and sasuke has precog to know what neji will do next and stb him accordingly.But its cakewalk for neji just like he reacted to Kidomaru's arrow

Byakugan (has also the ability to anticipate movements) + Chakra Shroud (has the ability to sense and slow down the opponents movements) + Neji's speed(that is superior to Sasuke's) >> 3T Sharingan boost.

And reacting to Kidomaru's arrow while being injured is actually an impressive feat.

 

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This is when Kidomaru started falling.

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This when Neji started running.

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That was after three pages from the moment that Kidomaru fell meaning that the distance between Kidomaru and the ground was short the moment that Neji started running. Plus, Neji was very badly injured so it doesn't matter if he was hitting the trees. Remove the trees but also remove Neji's injuries and the result would be the same.

And Kidormaru only hit one tree after the moment Neji started running.

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Yeah scan before it shows he is falling still somewhere around top layer of the tree while this[

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] scan show he was was still hitting the trees branches and falling so thus you cannot say he didn't more branches in the timeframe inbetween which neji was shown when he has been shown hitting the branches before and after it.
Also stationary falling does not mean that he intercepted something that was moving at high speed.Even sakura was able to intercept a falling naruto pinpointing him with kunai or sasuke when he was kicked not that high against lee.Sakura someone who was literally no good in speed

Also, I am still waiting for feats from CE Lee or Vote Sasuke that proves that Sasuke is faster than Neji.Regardless if he as fast CE Lee or not (which I can easily agree on), you still need to give me feats that suggest that he is faster than SRA Neji

I am still waiting for the feat that makes neji faster than lee oh wait there is none.Intercepting something thats free falling while hitting multiple branches is not going to help your case

I know that Gai is Lee's sensei and all. But you can't really compare speeds and tell that someone is faster than another without proper measures. It is the same case with Tenten. She already saw Gaara's sand yet she claimed that Rotation is superior when it is not the case as Kishimoto himself stated that they are equal and he himself stated that Sasuke's speed is 3.5.

No its not the same case.
while gai knows everything about lee's taijutsu and speed something that sasuke was using and kakashi's chidori and the requirements for it while tenten on other hand doesn't know full capability of gaara's sand or even that of rotation when the best thing neji would have repelled before kyuubi shrowd naruto was her weapons

Neji needed to rotate against Naruto enhanced with Kyuubi Chakra that was surrounding his entire body [

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Like I said, Chidori can easily go through it but it won't clear the way for Sasuke's entire body so his body movements speed would be slowed down once he become within the shroud. The only thing that would move normally is the hand that has Chidori.

chidori will tear right through it if it did to gaara's SoS
A weaker version of defence is not working in any way

Also, CE Neji's Rotation wasn't complete when he used against Naruto. Neji only spun 90 degree yet it repelled Naruto's attack. A full Rotation is >> than what Neji did. And that was from CE Neji, not SRA Neji who can produce much more Chakra. And it is stated that Rotation is a technique that repels Chakra[

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lmao read the chapter before that [

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and no the case you are pointing out was neji getting cremated from attack that was not meant to pierce.Chidori will rip right through it

Byakugan (has also the ability to anticipate movements) + Chakra Shroud (has the ability to sense and slow down the opponents movements) + Neji's speed(that is superior to Sasuke's) >> 3T Sharingan boost.

And reacting to Kidomaru's arrow while being injured is actually an impressive feat.

Sharingan has precog thus sasuke can anticapate what neji will do
chakra shroud won't stop anything if SoS didn't
neji only managed to avoid the arrow from hitting any major organ.The arrow does not have precog and the radius of damage was very less unlike what chidori will do

 

[FuriouslAngel]

Sasuke destroys the fodder it's not even funny.

 

[enditallsin]

Neji stomps.

 

[Hakke]

Yeah scan before it shows he is falling still somewhere around top layer of the tree while this[

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] scan show he was was still hitting the trees branches and falling so thus you cannot say he didn't more branches in the timeframe inbetween which neji was shown when he has been shown hitting the branches before and after it.

You have a point. But still, Kidomaru fell way before Neji started running which means that the distance between him and the ground was short as these trees weren't that high. And the panels were Neji was shown running were only three.

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Then we see Kidomaru hitting one branch and then he wasn't shown to be hitting more.

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Also stationary falling does not mean that he intercepted something that was moving at high speed.Even sakura was able to intercept a falling naruto pinpointing him with kunai or sasuke when he was kicked not that high against lee.Sakura someone who was literally no good in speed

I know that. But Kidomaru was falling from a short distance and Neji needed to cross 50 meters while having two ****ing holes in his body. The fact that Neji was able to reach him before him hitting the ground shows that Neji crossed this distance at a high speed.

I am still waiting for the feat that makes neji faster than lee oh wait there is none.Intercepting something thats free falling and also hitting multiple branches is not going to help your case

Just give me one feat from CE Lee or Vote Sasuke that is better than this feat.

No its not the same case.
while gai knows everything about lee's taijutsu and speed something that sasuke was using and kakashi's chidori and the requirements for it tenten on other hand doesn't know full capability of gaara's sand or even that of rotation when the best thing neji would have repelled before kyuubi shrowd naruto was her weapons

Yes I know. But they are all fictional characters. And when a Mangaka try to illustrate or explain a thing, he/she do it through a fictioanl character. If we go by the same logic then Hashirama statement about Sakura's CES being supperior to Tsunade's hold no weight as Hashirama last menory of Tsunade was when she was 4 years old.

Kishimoto stated through Tenten that Rotation is supperior to Gaara's sand shield then after that Kishi stated in the Databook that they are equal. The present statments holds more wieght than the previous one. In example: Kakashi stated that the Sharingan orginated from the Byakugan but it is stated later that it orginated from the fruit so Kakashi statement holds no weight now.

Kishi stated through Gai that Sasuke is about the same speed as Lee but then he states that his speed is 3.5.

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lmao read the chapter before that [

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The Chakra alone already intercepted Naruto's punch. The spinning was just to blow him and his clones back.

Didn't neosmith already cleared that?

chidori will tear right through it if it did to gaar's SoS
A weaker version of defence is not working in any way

Sasuke only needed to thrust his arm at SoS for his Chidori to reach Gaara. The Chakra Shroud is much bigger than SoS so Sasuke's whole body need to go through it and not just his arm. So answer my question. Does Chidori have the AoE to clear the way for Sasuke's entire body?

and no the case you are pointing out was neji getting cremated from attack that was not meant to pierce.Chidori will rip right through it

Even if Chidori can breach Rotation, Sasuke simply doesn't have the speed to thrust Chidori into Neji before the spinning redirect his arm.

And Rotation won't simply vanish once Chidori pierce it. No, the outcome would be similar to this

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with Sasuke's arm taking the most damage as he is the one advancing.

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Sharingan has precog thus sasuke can anticapate what neji will do
chakra shroud won't stop anything if SoS didn't
neji only managed to avoid the arrow from hitting any major organ.The arrow does not have precog and the radius of damage was very less unlike what chidori will do

Byakugan can also tell Neji what Sasuke will do next and it is true that the Byakugan isn't as good as the Sharingan in anticipating but the Chakra shroud ability to sense movements would make up for the Byakugan's inferiority.

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That Arrow's peircing force is >>> Sasuke's speed and Chidori. Yet a mere Chakra shroud was able to change its trajectory. A full Rotation would've reppeled it. So I can't see how Sasuke is even breaching a Rotation from SRA Neji.

 

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You have a point. But still, Kidomaru fell way before Neji started running which means that the distance between him and the ground was short as these trees weren't that high. And the panels were Neji was shown running were only three.

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Then we see Kidomaru hitting one branch and then he wasn't shown to be hitting more.

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which does not mean that kido didn't hit branches inbetween
compare the two scan you posted yourself.In first when neji starts running kido is still somewhere on the top layer of trees while when neji hits him its obvious he was much closer to ground obvious from the second scan.

I know that. But Kidomaru was falling from a short distance and Neji needed to cross 50 meters while having two ****ing holes in his body. The fact that Neji was able to reach him before him hitting the ground shows that Neji crossed this distance at a high speed.
Just give me one feat from CE Lee or Vote Sasuke that is better than this feat.

And that matters why.It was not a strike against a moving ninja or attack it was against a free falling body hitting branches.A simple shunshin will push him towards it

Lee on other hand was collecting around 20 leaves falling and inbetween could disarm the squirrel with paper bomb and save it and himself from explosion despite the paper bomb already lit.His speed was praised by almost everyone including Kimimaro who was faster than both according to databook
Drunken lee was fast[body speed] to dodge all of kimimaro's strikes.Purely talking about how fast his body can move

Yes I know. But they are all fictional characters. And when a Mangaka try to illustrate or explain a thing, he/she do it through a fictioanl character. If we go by the same logic then Hashirama statement about Sakura's CES being supperior to Tsunade's hold no weight as Hashirama last menory of Tsunade was when she was 4 years old.
Kishimoto stated through Tenten that Rotation is supperior to Gaara's sand shield then after that Kishi stated in the Databook that they are equal. The present statments holds more wieght than the previous one. In example: Kakashi stated that the Sharingan orginated from the Byakugan but it is stated later that it orginated from the fruit so Kakashi statement holds no weight now.

The point is databook literally clears tenten's statement that both rotation and gaara's defence are more or less equal which you are completely ignoring
Go read what kakashi actually said

Kishi stated through Gai that Sasuke is about the same speed as Lee but then he states that his speed is 3.5.

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The Chakra alone already intercepted Naruto's punch. The spinning was just to blow him and his clones back.

Didn't neosmith already cleared that?

thus it is not stopping a element enhanced piercing attack that was able to penetrate something superior

Sasuke only needed to thrust his arm at SoS for his Chidori to reach Gaara. The Chakra Shroud is much bigger than SoS so Sasuke's whole body need to go through it and not just his arm. So answer my question. Does Chidori have the AoE to clear the way for Sasuke's entire body?



Even if Chidori can breach Rotation, Sasuke simply doesn't have the speed to thrust Chidori into Neji before the spinning redirect his arm.

And Rotation won't simply vanish once Chidori pierce it. No, the outcome would be similar to this

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with Sasuke's arm taking the most damage as he is the one advancing.

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Also damage to sasuke's hand does not matter if neji would be dead

Byakugan can also tell Neji what Sasuke will do next and it is true that the Byakugan isn't as good as the Sharingan in anticipating but the Chakra shroud ability to sense movements would make up for the Byakugan's inferiority.

how hard is to realise sasuke would know what neji would do next and he can accordingly follow and jab him

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That Arrow's peircing force is >>> Sasuke's speed and Chidori. Yet a mere Chakra shroud was able to change its trajectory. A full Rotation would've reppeled it. So I can't see how Sasuke is even breaching a Rotation from SRA Neji.

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Chidori easily pierced SoS so it will do so against Rotation too

 

[shelke]

Heh, Sasuke dodged a point-blank sonic-air-slice with ease and he was not even using C1 properly. He's too fast for these guys. Only Neji will give some trouble, but chidori, speed, and a better move-set takes care of it. It would be high-diff, though.