Spoilers: Ending Gaara VS MS Sasuke debate & Amaterasu
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FloriGlori
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'Adding scenes in this game' is neither adequately precise nor specially refering to this footage, is it? The burden of proof is on you. As long as you can't provide any, you've only given a non-canon footage.
lswhyte123
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This video clip shows Gaara stopping Chidori Blade which is stronger than Chidori. Add to that the fact that the sword used is a Legendary item,it makes Gaara stopping it all the more impressive.
By your logic,nothing from Dragonball GT could be used as evidence for a DBZ argument.
Anyway,these are not scenes relevent to the video game nor are they part of the video game. They are extras added in the game which are directly related to the anime/manga,meant to add depth to the characters.
Add to that the Anime footage which is the 3rd piece of evidence I've given that Gaara can stop Sasuke's Amaterasu and you have ur answer.
They are not simply adding scenes. Kishi wanted to add depth in areas he previously felt were lacking. Sometime the manga fights would translate as being too short for the anime,which is why teams tend to add more to it. Doesn't make it any less viable. Only filler is BS.
FloriGlori
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Exactly. By my logic, which is the only valid logic in this case, Dragon Ball GT is not canon until the creator of Dragon Ball, whatever his name is, says so.
Those footages are not drawn by Kishi. Everything added by the anime producers, may it be a whole filler season or merely five minutes of extra fighting like Pain vs. Kyuubi Naruto is not canon and therefore not valid. That's how it is, without ifs and buts. A footage made by the anime producers for a game is no exception. You have to accept that. Give it one more try by using the only valid source of information, the manga pages, or provide some evidence that this footage, in all its totality, was made by Kishi and is considered canon content.
EDIT: I just rewatched both videos. Even if they were a canon source your argument is invalid, since the flames are again thrown at Gaara in the footage; Enton, in other words. Amaterasu itself directly converges at the enemy and is not moving into his/her direction. One more thing the producers messed up.
I have to disagree here. Sasuke's Chidorigatana is weaker than Chidori itself. It was completely blocked by Raikage's Raiton no Yoroi - Chisori itself on the other hand was able to cut through his armor. Apart from that only Orochimaru's Kusanagi is considered a legendary weapon. Sasuke's blade is a mere copy that wasn't given any kind of reputation. He needs to use Chidori in order to sharpen it.
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lswhyte123
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I will add to this when I can be bothered.
For now though,Gaara owns Sasuke in this video. This video is not game footage,nor is it just there to promote the game.
Kishi said he wanted to make more of certain fights to shed light and add depth to the characters we don't see enough of.
Like it or not,These videos' + the link to the anime I sent,both show Gaara blocking Amaterasu without issue.
None of these things get made without Kishimoto's approval,if you don't like what he's chosen to do with it,then take it up with him.
I have just shown video's which he and studio Pierot released. The content is clear.
Re Sasuke's Chidori: I have no real interest in what is stronger,simple Chidori or Chidori blade. It would appear that when Sasuke attacked Raikage with his blade,he had charged it with his Lightning nature,which did nothing.
Then Sasuke used Chidori which is a more piercing attack & it is more focused than a chakra infused blade. So I will consent that Chidori>Chidori Blade for whatever reason.
This being said,Gaara stopped the blade and easily halted it when it was charged with Lightning. Gaara in this video,was at best unimpressed/unphased by Sasuke's offensive skills. Even when the Blade was an inch from his face,he remained calm & confident. The Raikage had his armour at 100% and was ready for a war,Gaara was just defending and pushing Sasuke back.
For now though,Gaara owns Sasuke in this video. This video is not game footage,nor is it just there to promote the game.
Kishi said he wanted to make more of certain fights to shed light and add depth to the characters we don't see enough of.
Like it or not,These videos' + the link to the anime I sent,both show Gaara blocking Amaterasu without issue.
None of these things get made without Kishimoto's approval,if you don't like what he's chosen to do with it,then take it up with him.
I have just shown video's which he and studio Pierot released. The content is clear.
Re Sasuke's Chidori: I have no real interest in what is stronger,simple Chidori or Chidori blade. It would appear that when Sasuke attacked Raikage with his blade,he had charged it with his Lightning nature,which did nothing.
Then Sasuke used Chidori which is a more piercing attack & it is more focused than a chakra infused blade. So I will consent that Chidori>Chidori Blade for whatever reason.
This being said,Gaara stopped the blade and easily halted it when it was charged with Lightning. Gaara in this video,was at best unimpressed/unphased by Sasuke's offensive skills. Even when the Blade was an inch from his face,he remained calm & confident. The Raikage had his armour at 100% and was ready for a war,Gaara was just defending and pushing Sasuke back.
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TheSages456
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the flames are said to converge on the spot the person focuses on. they dont just instantly appear there. where ever the person looks thats where the flames go it wasnt stated they just instantly appear.
FloriGlori
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No, you totally got that wrong. Every filler content that's added to the anime is made without Kishimoto's approval. Kishimoto has nothing to do with the producers except of giving them the guidline, the manga.
Content made by Kishimoto, such as data-books or the manga = canon
Everything additionally added into the anime, like fillers or those footages = not canon
It's as simple as that. You've given two sources, that unfortunately are not canon and already contradicted manga content (Kakashi vs. Minato). It doesn't matter for what kind of purpose those footages were made, they're invalid. Like it or not, the manga shows that Gaara blocked Enton. The difference is that Enton is moving towards the enemy, like a 'projectile', while Amaterasu itself covers no distance at all. It converges directly at the enemy, at the exact spot Sasuke focuses his eye on, therefore it can't be blocked.
Even in your footage the flames are moving towards Gaara rather than converging at him, which is without dispute Enton: Kagetsuchi - so backed up my point more than you disprove it.
TheSages456
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in the anime gaara blocks the real amaterasu. even in the manga its implied gaara blocked amaterasu. if the flames just instantly appeared raikage wouldnt be able to dodge it. theres obviously enough time between when the flames are cast to when they form on the target to dodge or block if your quick enough. raikages speed and gaaras sand.
FloriGlori
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Indeed, in the anime he does. In the anime that lets Tendo use Shinra Tensei without interval and gives him elemental techniques. The anime tends to mess up things, that's why the manga is the only valid source of information - and in the manga Gaara blocked without dispute Enton: Kagetsuchi, not Amaterasu.
They flames do appear instantly. That's why Raikage had to activate Raiton no Yoroi v2, which increases both his reflexes and speed to an inhuman level. That's why Amaterasu is so dangerous.
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Gaara can't block Amaterasu, it arises directly infront of the Mangekyous field of vision. Try to reread the Manga, Sasuke used "Enton", to throw an Amaterasuflame in the direction of Gaara. The manga is the only correct source.
Don't cry like your favorite character on the kage meeting, only because there're shinobis who are stronger.
Don't cry like your favorite character on the kage meeting, only because there're shinobis who are stronger.
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TheSages456
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no the flames dont appear instantly. if they were instant that would mean they would form on the target with no time passing. no matter how little it takes raikage time to move even if its 0.2 sec, 0.125 sec. it proves amaterasu isnt instant. to the other part why wouldnt pain be able to use elemental techs. its already stated he mastered every jutsu jiraiya gave him. he could use those through pain.
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FloriGlori
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..0.1 second is an instant, dear. There is a brief moment escaping it is possible, yes. But there's only a hand full if Shinobi who can use that brief moment to actually block or dodge it. Yondaime Raikage was said to be the fastest Shinobi alive at that time. He had to use his highest speed and his inhumanly increased reflexes in order to dodge Amaterasu. At his second level, the eye can't follow, not even the Sharingan. That's a speed Gaara's sand does not have. In the manga, the only canon source, he blocked Enton: Kagetsuchi. Accept it.
TheSages456
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when a character says somethings happened in an instant it doesnt literally mean something happened with no time passing. instant means without time passing. 0.1 seconds is time. if youve set a timer and someone moved and the timer stopped at 0.1 thats not instant. if it was instant by the time the person moved the timer would still be at 0.0 when the person got there. of course im still not taking milliseconds, microseconds etc into account but its an example.
FloriGlori
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It seems that you have the wrong idea of an instant. Nothing can happen without time passing. Time always passes, may it be the slightest blink of an eye. That's what an instant is, a blink of an eye, a mili-second.
The Prof. has spoken. Only by seing your name, I'm already sure, that it will be bullshit.
No, the Manga shows us that Gaaras Sand blocked an Amaterasuflame which Sasuke has thrown into the direction of Gaara with his Enton.
His Sand can't block Amaterasu. One glance of Itachi/Sasuke and Amaterasu arises directly infront of their target - Gaara.
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TheSages456
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FloriGlori
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What about that link? It just backed up my claim.
Nothing can happen without time passing in between, obviously.