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I know people are talking about sasuke's lost of tomoes but over half of what people are assuming doesn't even make sense. Naruto losing RSM is also ludicrous, first lets look at sasuke, to awaken the rinnegan you need to gain hagoromo's power. Indra+Ashura=hagoromo's power, yet people deny that when hagoromo gave sasuke power it helped him aawaken the rinnegan, then what did hagoromo give Sasuke? Hamura's power :lmao:? Sasuke met the requirements, indra's power isn't the same as hagoromo's power, indra's is just a watered down version of it, same with ashura, "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts". Also another thing that doesn't make sense when people say he lost his Tomoe is that in chapter 699 sasuke still had his Tomoe rinnegan, then even two years later he STILL in the last had Tomoe rinnegan so what makes people think he just randomly lost it? Naruto didn't even lose RSM, RSM is identified by the loss of pigmentation around the eyes and no chakra on the face like in BSM and yellow eyes as opposed to red or orange which Naruto displayed 2/3 (chapters are black and white so yellow eyes are unidentifiable).









Heck Hagoromo left and they still had their powers the only thing they lost prior to was the seals, also another thing that doesn't make sense is because sasuke hasn't even used EMS yet so I guess he lost that too????? My only guess is that the Tomoe rinnegan is actually just an advanced version of the rinnegan but it puts more strain on the eye. Kind of like regular sharnningan and EMS. Obito started it with one MS and one regular rinnegan, then sasuke being more advanced with one EMS and one Rinnegan/evolvable rinnegan, then hagoromo should've been a step further with two rinnegan but one of then being an evolvable rinnegan, which makes sense as with that rinnegan it also has the sharnningan's ability, so the evolvable rinnegan or MR(Mangekyou Rinnegan) is a watered down version of the Rinne sharnningan which explains why hagoromo's rinnegan in the date book was labled a kekkei Mora but Sasuke's isn't because unlike hagoromo he only has one rinnegan with it being evolvable.









So hagoromo would have both the dual and single variant, it doesn't male sense for his brother to evolve his eye but hagoromo not being able to or sasuke having what hagoromo didn't? I mean, it's HIS eye and HIS power so...because Sasuke didn't gain Hagoromo's yang (Or Ashura's power) he doesn't have the dual variant so instead he has the single variant. Only hagoromo has both dual and single variant, so the sharnningan is just a watered down version of the MR which makes sense in essence. "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts". The single variant however is on par if not stronger than the dual one, just like the tenseigan being stronger than the byakugan (by leagues), single also retains sharnningan powers so if Sasuke lost his Tomoe then that means he's also loss ameterasu because ameterasu was in his left eye and enton in his right as standard rinnegan doesn't retain sharnningan abilities otherwise pein would be spamming susano, see how the logic of sasuke losing his Tomoe rinnegan NOT make sense? Kishi wouldn't do that,osr likely the standard rinnegan cam evolve into Tomoe rinnegan but you need hagoromo's power directly to achieve this, otherwise with just indra and ashira, the highest you can go is dual as indra and ashura or just parts of hagoromo but they are NOT equivalent to him, just like the ten tails is stronger than the bijuu separated "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.







So basically Naruto has NOT lost TSM and sasuke has not lost Tomoe rinnegan, Tomoe rinnegan is most plausibly an of dual rinnegan, but like it's predecessor, there's only one version of it (similar to the rinnesharnningan). But this is what I can draw from the manga, because Sasuke losing Tomoe rinnegan means he lost ameterasu, as the Rinnegan has not shown the ability to diverge back into a sharnningan (Sasuke's) only a Tomoe rinnegan can retain sharnningan properties. But like I said this is what I can draw from the manga, I know sasuke haters or just people that want to water down sasuke, or even the unbias that just draw what they see, will deny this but I ask you to look at it logically, chapter 699, the last, no lost of Tomoe but now people assume he's lost it? With that logic he also lost EMS. Just saying, thanks for reading :), what do you guys think?
 
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What's the tl;dr?

The loss of Sasuke's tomoe rinnegan is nonsensical as in the last and chapter 699 he still had it, most likely Tomoe rinnegan is just an evolution of regular rinnegan as Tomoe has sharnningan properties, so most likely hagoromo had it to, so Tomoe rinnegan is a watered down version of the rinne sharnningan. Also loss of Tomoe rinnegan means sasuke lost ameterasu as ameterasu was in the left eye and only Tomoe rinnegan retains sharnningan properties. So it doesn't make sense for Sasuke to lose Tomoe rinnegan as in chapter 699 and the last he had it so most plausibly the Tomoe rinnegan is an evolution of standard rinnegan and host like the rine sharnningan there's only one version of it. The whole is greater than the sum of it"s parts Ashura and indra do not equal the sage's full power just like the nine bijuu separately are weaker than the juubi, which is why ashira+Indra=dual rinnegan but hagoromo's power directly is a step further with the Tomoe rinnegan.




Rinne sharnningan>Tomoe rinnegan>Rinnegan>EMS/MS>regular sharnningan
 

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Probably just a drawing error, although it's weird how clear it is compared to other drawings without the tomoes (possibly just MP darkening scans again). Also believe sasuke had tomoe rinnegan active when he didn't have sharingan active so it doesn't seem to work directly with his MS/EMS/other eye. Perhaps sasuke could not use his eye as well and now he can turn off the tomoe? Zzz
Either way the tomoes dont even remotely prove a loss of Rikodou chakra, since sasuke even used his S/T jutsu.

Not sure on TR(tomoe rinnegan) being an evolved form of rinnegan. I just assumed the tomoes allowed for MS/EMS abilities from that eye ie ama.
 

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I don't know why there's a big fuss over the whole tomoe issue when Sasuke's rinnegan has been shown multiple times before without tomoe.

"Yeah sorry" - Look at that panel.
 

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A much bigger issue rather than the tome in my opinion is Naruto's lack of truth seeking balls in recent chapters despite the fact that according to the wiki and other people he is apparently in RSM (and not BSM).
 
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