Spiral Zetsu vs Orochimaru

[Mihael Keehl]

what is ''wood poison'' & ''old blood'' again?

Whatever he used to suppress

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[KidGamer65]

How are you restraining snakes with wood? Manda was able to dig underground, no wood will hold him as he can slither right out. Manda is slightly smaller than SZY's Buhhda and Karin's chains wrecked the arms.

SZY gets so overrated when he got blitzed by Taka easily.

So now a surprise attack from nowhere qualifies as a blitz? What's worse is that their goal was to run away. Oro doesn't have Taka's help here nor does he have the element of complete and total surprise, nor is his goal to run away. He has to actually fight. What they did in the Manga was weak shit he shrugged off in a couple of seconds, yet somehow it's being used as evidence that Orochimaru defeats SZ? Smh. You people.

 

[RedRobin]

So now a surprise attack from nowhere qualifies as a blitz? What's worse is that their goal was to run away. Oro doesn't have Taka's help here nor does he have the element of complete and total surprise, nor is his goal to run away. He has to actually fight. What they did in the Manga was weak shit he shrugged off in a couple of seconds, yet somehow it's being used as evidence that Orochimaru defeats SZ? Smh. You people.

Are you meaning to tell me Karin got

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without him noticing? Was it also a surprise attack when Suigestu came right to his right and shot him in the head? He's got some crappy reaction feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you meaning to tell me Karin got

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without him noticing? Was it also a surprise attack when Suigestu came right to his right and shot him in the head? He's got some crappy reaction feats.

Smh. You have to be kidding me. He watched her attack, and then he counter attacked. Karin didn't blitz him. She didn't even approach him so how in the world are you coming up with this blitz nonsense? Suigetsu was a clear surprise attack. If it was a blitz, he would've attacked him head on without him being able to react instead of coming from his side and hitting him while he's preoccupied no less. Lack of reaction feats are completely irrelevant here when the situation is not and cannot be the same here. It's really that simple.

 

[RedRobin]

Smh. You have to be kidding me. He watched her attack, and then he counter attacked. Karin didn't blitz him. She didn't even approach him so how in the world are you coming up with this blitz nonsense? Suigetsu was a clear surprise attack. If it was a blitz, he would've attacked him head on without him being able to react instead of coming from his side and hitting him while he's preoccupied no less. Lack of reaction feats are completely irrelevant here when the situation is not and cannot be the same here. It's really that simple.

So he shoots the elements out before and strikes the shinobi but he lets Karin come in close? Why?

 

[KidGamer65]

So he shoots the elements out before and strikes the shinobi but he lets Karin come in close? Why?

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That is why. So he could do that. I honestly don't know if you people think before you post. You honestly think that Karin would be able to legit blitz SZY who is Yamato+Spiral Zetsu? You honestly think that Karin can blitz Yamato? What's funny is that no one in the SA was fast enough to blitz him like that yet somehow weak ass Karin can?

Let's be 100% serious here, and think before you make another claim.

 

[RedRobin]

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That is why. So he could do that. I honestly don't know if you people think before you post. You honestly think that Karin would be able to legit blitz SZY who is Yamato+Spiral Zetsu? You honestly think that Karin can blitz Yamato? What's funny is that no one in the SA was fast enough to blitz him like that yet somehow weak ass Karin can?

Let's be 100% serious here, and think before you make another claim.

The entire SA had been fighting all day. Taka + Orochimaru hadnt done anything the whole time until now, so they were completely charged like SZY was.

Why go in to stab her? He didnt care at all about doing that against SA since he used the arms and elements. But not Karin she got in super close, what happened with her?

I think you are super overrating SZY who was destroying an already half dead alliance.

 

[solorflare99]

I think Oro wins too, but to go with Karin "blitz" Tobi is weak af.

 

[KidGamer65]

The entire SA had been fighting all day. Taka + Orochimaru hadnt done anything the whole time until now, so they were completely charged like SZY was.

Which is not relevant, because tired top tiers are still faster than Karin. The longer you run with this argument the worse.

Why go in to stab her? He didnt care at all about doing that against SA since he used the arms and elements. But not Karin she got in super close, what happened with her?

Who knows why he decided to fight her up close instead of using his elements? Probably cause she was already close to him by the time he bothered to do anything about it. Then there's the fact that instead of attacking her, he still could've easily used his elements or the rest of his hands, so once again, your blitz argument makes absolutely no sense.

Karin>Hiruzen when it comes to speed since Hiruzen was being pushed back by the Buddha with the rest of the alliance while Karin managed to blitz SZ and his statue. If we use your logic anyway.

I think you are super overrating SZY who was destroying an already half dead alliance.

I'm not going to take this seriously coming from the guy who thinks Karin can actually blitz SZY despite almost every one in the whole alliance being superior to her when it comes to physical ability.

And stop with this "half dead alliance" stuff. Were they at their full power? No. But when the fight started they were not so tired that they couldn't do anything but sit there and watch as Hiruzen pretty much carried them throughout the fight.

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Onoki already notes that they had been using their biggest jutsu, only for SZ to counter it.

 

[RedRobin]

Which is not relevant, because tired top tiers are still faster than Karin. The longer you run with this argument the worse.



Who knows why he decided to fight her up close instead of using his elements? Probably cause she was already close to him by the time he bothered to do anything about it. Then there's the fact that instead of attacking her, he still could've easily used his elements or the rest of his hands, so once again, your blitz argument makes absolutely no sense.

Karin>Hiruzen when it comes to speed since Hiruzen was being pushed back by the Buddha with the rest of the alliance while Karin managed to blitz SZ and his statue. If we use your logic anyway.



I'm not going to take this seriously coming from the guy who thinks Karin can actually blitz SZY despite almost every one in the whole alliance being superior to her when it comes to physical ability.

And stop with this "half dead alliance" stuff. Were they at their full power? No. But when the fight started they were not so tired that they couldn't do anything but sit there and watch as Hiruzen pretty much carried them throughout the fight.

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Onoki already notes that they had been using their biggest jutsu, only for SZ to counter it.

So SZ countered super jinton? He also countered the gokage combo that Madara used PS to get out of? So SZ countered all of that?

Please do elaborate as to how any of that is possible.

 

[KidGamer65]

So SZ countered super jinton? He also countered the gokage combo that Madara used PS to get out of? So SZ countered all of that?

Please do elaborate as to how any of that is possible.

Smh.

Were they at their full power? No.

Read.

 

[Xlad]

So...

- Drae is basically going full retard. Again.
- KG steps on the roach. Again.
- Young Debater makes another stupid ass post. Again.
- Pawsx is wanking Karin/Taka's blitz?

Is that right?

 

[Beans2]

So...

- Drae is basically going full retard. Again.
- KG steps on the roach. Again.
- Young Debater makes another stupid ass post. Again.
- Pawsx is wanking Karin/Taka's blitz?

Is that right?

That sums of the past three pages nicely. And then we have this incoming.

Ill add my two cent after Draegod's next counter

Which is just going to be the icing on the cake that is this thread.

 

[RedRobin]

Smh.
Read.

Gokage sure as hell werent at full power when they used the combo. So if they are worse than at that time than its no feat that SZY was holding them back. He wasnt even fighting them at a fraction of their power.

Lol if all they could do is watch as the only person with chakra could do something then yes they are a half dead alliance.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gokage sure as hell werent at full power when they used the combo. So if they are worse than at that time than its no feat that SZY was holding them back. He wasnt even fighting them at a fraction of their power.

Lol if all they could do is watch as the only person with chakra could do something then yes they are a half dead alliance.

Then I guess I'll just go with Onoki's statement over your opinions. That they were using their "biggest techniques" and failing, whatever the term "biggest techs" refers to here. Either way, my point is, if Onoki can make a statement like that, this "half dead" nonsense is false.

 

[Xlad]

That sums of the past three pages nicely. And then we have this incoming.



Which is just going to be the icing on the cake that is this thread.

Why does it feel like I'm reading the same shit over again? I think I'm seeing a pattern. Or is it just me? Zzz

 

[RedRobin]

Then I guess I'll just go with Onoki's statement over your opinions. That they were using their "biggest techniques" and failing, whatever the term "biggest techs" refers to here. Either way, my point is, if Onoki can make a statement like that, this "half dead" nonsense is false.

Lol How do you know he isnt talking about Hiruzen's justu? This statement means nothing. Look at how Ay handles a hand and then falls to the floor, look at how Mei says she has no more chakra left, see as Tsunade states she has no more chakra. If you cant see this as a half dead alliance then I dont know what to say. So no, its no feat at all SZY held them back.

Taka easily out maneuvered him. Surprise attack or not if he was as good as you think he is then it shouldnt have worked.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol How do you know he isnt talking about Hiruzen's justu? This statement means nothing. Look at how Ay handles a hand and then falls to the floor, look at how Mei says she has no more chakra left, see as Tsunade states she has no more chakra. If you cant see this as a half dead alliance then I dont know what to say. So no, its no feat at all SZY held them back.

Taka easily out maneuvered him. Surprise attack or not if he was as good as you think he is then it shouldnt have worked.

Why would he say "WE" but refer to one man alone. Smh. The rest is irrelevant. The battle's been going on long before we saw it on panel, so why are you giving me their conditions then and trying to say that they've been fighting in those conditions the whole time. You cannot sound any more foolish. Onoki's statement proves that they had the chakra to use Ninjutsu earlier, but their jutsu failed. It's really that simple. If you have a problem take it up with Kishimoto.

Which is literally based on nothing. Since you don't know how good I really think he is based on my posts in this thread, nor do I give a damn what happened against Taka when Orochimaru cannot replicate that situation. It's really that simple.

Not sure why I'm arguing about SZ's fight with the SA with you when it's irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@KG

I looked at some viz clear up thread for Naruto 662 (both here and Narutoforums) I can only find this scan:

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And the rest are word translation, I can find.

Anyway everything was implied that Gokages couldn't be much help since their chakra level weren't enough to using any significant jutsu that could be helpful. On paper Ay couldn't using Rny. Mei says her chakra level cant make her perform any jutsu, after being punched by SS: "My jutsu wont active" "My chakra is..."

Shikimaru, viz or not, outright stated everyone is out of chakra to do anything. And both Onoki and Shikimaru statement implies they were going after Madara only to be interfere by this "high scale" Mokuton user.

Everything but Onoki weird wording states otherwise that Gokages couldnt do anything base on their reserves. I think this argument must go to the majority of statements then the minority of a statement.

PawX what I dont agree with you though is the fact that you are arguing Taka blitzing Zetsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG

I looked at some viz clear up thread for Naruto 662 (both here and Narutoforums) I can only find this scan:

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And the rest are word translation, I can find.

Anyway everything was implied that Gokages couldn't be much help since their chakra level weren't enough to using any significant jutsu that could be helpful. On paper Ay couldn't using Rny. Mei says her chakra level cant make her perform any jutsu, after being punched by SS: "My jutsu wont active" "My chakra is..."

Shikimaru, viz or not, outright stated everyone is out of chakra to do anything. And both Onoki and Shikimaru statement implies they were going after Madara only to be interfere by this "high scale" Mokuton user.

Everything but Onoki weird wording states otherwise that Gokages couldnt do anything base on their reserves. I think this argument must go to the majority of statements then the minority of a statement.

PawX what I dont agree with you though is the fact that you are arguing Taka blitzing Zetsu.

Yeah, that's after a prolonged battle with Spiral Zetsu. Them originally going to where Madara was only shows that they had enough chakra to put up some kind of fight, but when SZ stopped them, they ended up using all their chakra to fight him, and they were getting pushed back initially too.

None of those statements prove my point wrong for the sole fact that they referred to that moment, not every moment before. Onoki's statement proves that they had some chakra in the beginning, but ran out during the fight.