Spiral Zetsu vs Orochimaru

[Brother Numpsay]

Conditions: Orochimaru summoning carries Hashirama poison. Orochimaru has basic Zetsu abilities.

Restrict: Edo Tensei

 

[DrProof]

Can Zetsu seal Edos?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Can Zetsu seal Edos?

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[KidGamer65]

Does Spiral Zetsu have Yamato inside him? Cause if he does it's a low-mid diff win. Buddha would obliterate him and he has no way to destroy it. His best chance would be to use Eight Branches, but even then, it's barrage of fists and it's elemental barrages mean the end of Orochimaru. The poison doesn't mean anything unless he can actually get Zetsu with it, but considering his summons would be pounded by SS, they'd never touch Zetsu.

 

[solorflare99]

Yamato or Obito spiral zetsu, they both lack feats really.

 

[Draegod]

Does Spiral Zetsu have Yamato inside him? Cause if he does it's a low-mid diff win. Buddha would obliterate him and he has no way to destroy it. His best chance would be to use Eight Branches, but even then, it's barrage of fists and it's elemental barrages mean the end of Orochimaru. The poison doesn't mean anything unless he can actually get Zetsu with it, but considering his summons would be pounded by SS, they'd never touch Zetsu.

With Zetsu body all Mokuton is useless unfortunately. This will be a cat and mouse game with Oru mid diffing him thanks to Zetsu body unfortunately. Overall SZY is superior but with Zetsu abilities all mokuton constructs are useless.

 

[KidGamer65]

With Zetsu body all Mokuton is useless unfortunately. This will be a cat and mouse game with Oru mid diffing him thanks to Zetsu body unfortunately. Overall SZY is superior but with Zetsu abilities all mokuton constructs are useless.

How does Zetsu body make Mokuton useless?

 

[Red Slayer]

Orochimaru stomps just like he did in manga.

 

[Beans2]

SZ wins mid diff.

 

[Draegod]

How does Zetsu body make Mokuton useless?

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[Haizaki]

Orochimaru wins.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Orochimaru wins due to the mokuton poison and his vitality.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Being able to merge with Mokuton doesn't mean that Zetsu won't be able to hurt him.

-Obito connected to the Juubi was able to use Mokuton through him, so Zetsu should be able to use Mokuton through his already existing Mokuton Jutsu. If Orochimaru attempts a fusion,

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skew him.

-Then there's the fact that he actually has to be able to merge before the barrage of fists hit him and then retract.

 

[Draegod]

Being able to merge with Mokuton doesn't mean that Zetsu won't be able to hurt him.

-Obito connected to the Juubi was able to use Mokuton through him, so Zetsu should be able to use Mokuton through his already existing Mokuton Jutsu. If Orochimaru attempts a fusion,

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skew him.

-Then there's the fact that he actually has to be able to merge before the barrage of fists hit him and then retract.

You just dont get it at all it would seem. It is cannon fact Zetsu (where Madara and Sasuke were) was able to Mayflower through the earth and on top of the Buhda. This is so simple I have no idea why you are trying so hard to deny manga facts. Juubi is a living entity, Buhda is a Mokuton ninjutsu structure. Please do not ever compare the two! then the fact SZY had full control already and was literally using the statue to fight the army so what are you talking about? There is nothing stopping Setsu (like manga fact) from merging and popping up any where on the Buhda. What do you not see that has not been drawn by Kishi. It is so simple but you are trying your hardest to be "right"

 

[KidGamer65]

You just dont get it at all it would seem. It is cannon fact Zetsu (where Madara and Sasuke were) was able to Mayflower through the earth and on top of the Buhda. This is so simple I have no idea why you are trying so hard to deny manga facts. Juubi is a living entity, Buhda is a Mokuton ninjutsu structure. Please do not ever compare the two! then the fact SZY had full control already and was literally using the statue to fight the army so what are you talking about? There is nothing stopping Setsu (like manga fact) from merging and popping up any where on the Buhda. What do you not see that has not been drawn by Kishi. It is so simple but you are trying your hardest to be "right"

You literally did not answer or address a word of anything I posted. The only thing even close to a rebuttal was the stuff I left unmarked, and even that was a weak counter. Juubi being a living structure is irrelevant. Juubi being a living structure while the other is made of the very material he is trying to channel only helps my point, not yours. Then there's the fact that Hashirama has spawned other Mokuton Jutsu from wood used to make his previous Mokuton in canon. Did it when he used Hobi to block BD and then used Hotei from Hobi to catch Madara's PS blade. Did it to form Mokujin from his branches when he needed to catch Bijuu Dama. So SZ easily does the same thing here and Orochimaru gets skewed. It's really that simple. Not even sure what the hell you are talking about with the bold.

Then there's the fact that once he merges with it, what does he do then? Hide from Zetsu for the rest of the fight? Cause if he emerges, Zetsu takes him out by using Moku Bunshin (or Zetsu clones of his own) and Sashiki till he decides to just bend over and give up. Or he can do

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and literally rip Orochimaru's body apart.

Orochimaru winning because of Mayfly alone makes zero sense. Give a real explanation this time and maybe I'll agree with you.

 

[Rohan]

Pretty sure Oro will take zero physical damage with a Zetsu enhanced body. He was able to regenerate from Four tails Naruto's attacks with a weakened body.

 

[KidGamer65]

Pretty sure Oro will take zero physical damage with a Zetsu enhanced body. He was able to regenerate from Four tails Naruto's attacks with a weakened body.

Why are you comparing KN4 to this?

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What's worse is that having a Zetsu body doesn't increase his "regenerative" abilities, if that's what you want to call them. It'll only increase his chakra and give him Zetsu abilities, but by how much is unknown.

Then there's the fact that the DB states SZ can use Mokujin.

 

[Rohan]

Why are you comparing KN4 to this?

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What's worse is that having a Zetsu body doesn't increase his "regenerative" abilities, if that's what you want to call them. It'll only increase his chakra and give him Zetsu abilities, but by how much is unknown.

Then there's the fact that the DB states SZ can use Mokujin.

But Oro can escape those attacks. He has shown very good speed feats in his half Human-snake form aganist Four tails Naruto.

Oro has done extended research on Mokuton to actually give Edo Madara the Hashi Dna to make him able to use Mokuton. This research led Kabuto to create a poison to block Mokuton. Considering that Oro was self aware within Kabuto and absorbed his powers, he could easily have that poison.

The research on Mokuton would give Oro an edge on using Mokuton techniques + The poison can block SZ from using Mokuton.

 

[KidGamer65]

But Oro can escape those attacks. He has shown very good speed feats in his half Human-snake form aganist Four tails Naruto.

No he didn't. Lmao. He was getting slapped around by Naruto the whole fight. He took his attacks head on, he never once evaded them.

Oro has done extended research on Mokuton to actually give Edo Madara the Hashi Dna to make him able to use Mokuton. This research led Kabuto to create a poison to block Mokuton. Considering that Oro was self aware within Kabuto and absorbed his powers, he could easily have that poison.

OP gave his summons that poison. Orochimaru himself was never specified to have it and this is all speculation right here, especially since Kabuto developed that poison after Oro was absorbed and taken out of the picture till the War Arc. Even if Orochimaru had it, he'd have to get Zetsu with it, and Zetsu isn't going to stand there when he does. SS either swats him away, or he makes Mokuton tendrils to rip him apart.

The research on Mokuton would give Oro an edge on using Mokuton techniques +

Nope. Not even close. White Zetsu's Mokuton feats are trash bar Spiral Zetsu when he has someone inside of him. He can have all the knowledge he wants, he's never going to use a Mokuton jutsu that isn't above fodder level.

The poison can block SZ from using Mokuton.

If Orochimaru's summons can bite him, then yes. But considering his summons will never get anywhere near him due to his Mokuton constructs, we can forget about the poison being a factor here.

 

[Rohan]

No he didn't. Lmao. He was getting slapped around by Naruto the whole fight. He took his attacks head on, he never once evaded them.



OP gave his summons that poison. Orochimaru himself was never specified to have it and this is all speculation right here, especially since Kabuto developed that poison after Oro was absorbed and taken out of the picture till the War Arc. Even if Orochimaru had it, he'd have to get Zetsu with it, and Zetsu isn't going to stand there when he does. SS either swats him away, or he makes Mokuton tendrils to rip him apart.



Nope. Not even close. White Zetsu's Mokuton feats are trash bar Spiral Zetsu when he has someone inside of him. He can have all the knowledge he wants, he's never going to use a Mokuton jutsu that isn't above fodder level.



If Orochimaru's summons can bite him, then yes. But considering his summons will never get anywhere near him due to his Mokuton constructs, we can forget about the poison being a factor here.

Hmm, but he did show good speed feats. I watched the anime though.

Oro was self aware within Kabuto. The poison came from the belly snake of Kabuto and after Oro came back he absorbed all those powers. He would have the poison by default or he could simply re-make the poison by the knowledge obtained from Kabuto.

Physical attacks won't work, Oro would simply shed his skin instantly. Moreover the SS is a huge target. It's raw power would get defeated by Oro's speed and agility. Skill > Power. SS's punches will do zero damage cause Oro has many escape techniques and is a small target. If he was a huge target like Madara's Susanoo, then it's a different story.

Except that Oro is not a generic white zetsu. His experience and overall knowledge would give him better Mokuton skills.

Oro can himself bite him (He did it after all in the manga) to do so.