[Theory] Spiral Zetsu, Black Zetsu, Kaguya, and the Juubi

[Secret Zetsu]

There seems to be three unique Zetsu's with the most self-awareness. Black Zetsu, The "original" White Zetsu, and Spiral Zetsu. As you can see below, Spiral Zetsu knows he is an artificial creation, yet retains a unique self-awareness along with the "original" White Zetsu.

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When the truth about Black Zetsu is revealed, he describes himself as Kaguya's will:

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Deeper into his revelations, he explains that Kaguya was a part of the original Juubi, and it wasn't the Juubi alone that was trying to take back its chakra, but Kaguya's will.

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They reframe from stating that Kaguya is the Juubi itself, which leads me to believe that the Juubi may also have a will of its own? Or that someone (perhaps Kaguya's husband) has influence on the other part of the Juubi's will?

When Obito reveals his White Zetsu army, he describes that he got them from the Mazou using the tailed beasts’ chakra. Basically he awakened them out of the Mazou. We can assume that these were the people once caught in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and turned into generic White Zetsu.

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However, they differ from the Zetsu's that Black Zetsu awakened, which were Spiral Zetsu and the "original" White Zetsu.

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Spiral Zetsu refers to himself and "original" White Zetsu as not only androids with feelings, but as also being superior to a normal human in terms of intelligence. When Black Zetsu pulled them out of the Mazou, I believe it is likely that he created them artificially, an extension of Kaguya's will, or... They were already created (similar to Black Zetsu) and Black Zetsu awakened them from the Mazou.

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The panel below can be interpreted in three ways:

1. Spiral Zetsu is acting on Madara's will.
2. Spiral Zetsu is acting on Kaguya's will.
3. Spiral Zetsu is acting on an Unknown will.

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The above panel also illustrates a very important similarity between Black Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu, and that is that they wrap themselves around another body to control it. No other Zetsu's can do this. So this creates some possibilities…

1. Spiral Zetsu is another creation of Kaguya's will and will help with her plans
2. Spiral Zetsu is a creation of the Juubi's will and wanted to revive the Juubi while simultaneously severing its bond with Kaguya
3. Spiral Zetsu is a creation of an unknown entity, who did want to help with the revival of the Juubi, but may or may not be interested in helping Kaguya at this point.

Thoughts?

 

[Young Vongola]

I think White Zetsu is in on the whole Kaguya thing

 

[Angelic.]

kaguya created bz as her will, perhaps spiral is her empty fruit she made?

 

[Trúth]

You made an account just to post this lmafo. Anyway good theory although i hope its number 3 because im tired of plot twists.

 

[VongolaX]

When Obito was looking for Kakashi and Rin, the "original," white zetsu stated that Spiral zetsu is a clone of him.

Also when black zetsu was speaking in a third person, he was actually referring everything that he called Kaguya's will being him.

So substitute Kaguya's will with black zetsu

He believes that he is a part of kaguya

 

[oShux]

Lmao this guy created an account just to post this thread.

 

[sammypt Miyamoto Musashi]

When Obito was looking for Kakashi and Rin, the "original," white zetsu stated that Spiral zetsu is a clone of him.

Also when black zetsu was speaking in a third person, he was actually referring everything that he called Kaguya's will being him.

So substitute Kaguya's will with black zetsu

He believes that he is a part of kaguya

Basically what this guy said! Just like how BZ is sort of "living" in Kaguya's sleeves lol I mean really, when she started to suck the chakra out of Sasuke and Naruto, she was using BZ to cover them and absorb their chakra.

 

[VongolaX]

Basically what this guy said! Just like how BZ is sort of "living" in Kaguya's sleeves lol I mean really, when she started to suck the chakra out of Sasuke and Naruto, she was using BZ to cover them and absorb their chakra.

It could be possible that black zetsu is a vital extension of her powers too.

Like traveling to dimensions and as you mention the "absorbing thing."

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[sammypt Miyamoto Musashi]

It could be possible that black zetsu is a vital extension of her powers too.

Like traveling to dimensions and as you mention the "absorbing thing."

Wouldn't you agree?

I concur. BZ seems like much more than just a "child" or her "will". I think I read someone else's theory that BZ is actually controlling Kaguya as well. Not saying I agree with that assessment but it could be possible I suppose.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I think White Zetsu is in on the whole Kaguya thing

I think this too.

 

[VongolaX]

I concur. BZ seems like much more than just a "child" or her "will". I think I read someone else's theory that BZ is actually controlling Kaguya as well. Not saying I agree with that assessment but it could be possible I suppose.

I wouldn't be suprised

His nature revolves around manipulation.

I just find it interesting that he has those powers, and held it back rom the series.

 

[Secret Zetsu]

kaguya created bz as her will, perhaps spiral is her empty fruit she made?

Could you elaborate?

You made an account just to post this lmafo. Anyway good theory although i hope its number 3 because im tired of plot twists.

XD

When Obito was looking for Kakashi and Rin, the "original," white zetsu stated that Spiral zetsu is a clone of him.

Also when black zetsu was speaking in a third person, he was actually referring everything that he called Kaguya's will being him.

So substitute Kaguya's will with black zetsu

He believes that he is a part of kaguya

I found that panel:

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However, the problem is, that he also said every one of those other white zetsu's were his clones as well, when we later find out that they were the people caught in the infinite tsukuyomi. Which means, not only was he lying, but he is aware enough to lie about these things, along with black zetsu, and also, spiral zetsu, who agrees with him. Obviously both white zetsu and black zetsu were in on everything, as they are seen together in the series multiple times. However, spiral zetsu is still quite the mystery, as he didn't appear again until the battle of ten tails, madara, obito, etc.

"Upon his reappearance in the Fourth Shinobi World War, his abilities had advanced to the point where he could battle thousands of members of the Allied Shinobi Forces, including four Kage, simultaneously."

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He is far too powerful to just be another white zetsu. Also, notice that he isn't trying to kill anyone, merely buy time. And when the IT was released, he retreated from battle. And when Naruto was shown to be dying, he was surprised. I find This very interesting...

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Notice the facial expressions, they don't seem happy about it.

 

[Nagato fan01]

They explained so much with kaguya and zetsu and juubi in the manga that somewhere along the line I just got so confused and gave up trying to understand things.

 

[Angelic.]

its just a theory that since kaguya wants to be revived she created bz as her will, and spiral has the same design as the first depiction of the fruit. IT creates a new fruit. spiral was already shown to absorb power from the mazou to get stronger.

its possible all zetsu are linked telepathicly, not just them.
spiral was using yamato to fight,
zetsus dont care about nardo.

 

[Secret Zetsu]

its just a theory that since kaguya wants to be revived she created bz as her will, and spiral has the same design as the first depiction of the fruit. IT creates a new fruit. spiral was already shown to absorb power from the mazou to get stronger.

its possible all zetsu are linked telepathicly, not just them.
spiral was using yamato to fight,
zetsus dont care about nardo.

Could be possible.

And yes, but those points still don't address what i pointed out above. Also, spiral zetsu and the other zetsu did seem concerned about naruto in the pages i posted in my above post, just look at the illustrations and conversational tone. Kishimoto is definitely foreshadowing.

 

[Leinad Sotam]

Nice theory, I believe that spiral zetsu is a part of Madara´s will he´s like plan B. +rep

 

[Secret Zetsu]

Nice theory, I believe that spiral zetsu is a part of Madara´s will he´s like plan B. +rep

Thanks :hypertobi:

 

[euphemism]

Great thread, I have no idea who he is. Looking forward to another tweest!

 

[Zuiki]

Great thread, I have no idea who he is. Looking forward to another tweest!

Just saying, that the spiral zetsu guy who fights the allied forces... Wasn't that yamato? Or is it spiral zetsu controlling him? I saw the chapter where he was revealed.

 

[HouKage]

What is they are the actually reanimated bodies of Hagoromo and his brother *grin*
or at least her chief Lt.s of her pre-defeated Zetsu Army