[Tier] Speed Tier List

[TheSages456]

-8th gate Gai belongs by himself in tier 1.

-Lightened Ei>>>>>>anyone else in speed barring 8th gate Gai. He was untraceable to Madara while Sasuke can read the movements of any Ten Tails' jinchuriki.

-V2 Ei isn't in the same speed tier as Hashirama/Madara. He far surpasses it.

-Minato isn't in the same tier as Ei without Hiraishin.

-7th gate Gai isn't above V2 Ei, not even close.

-V1 Ei without any boost goes to tier 3.

-All forms of Sasuke go to tier 3.

There's a lot more wrong with this, but I don't feel like addressing everything.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Reaction speed and footspeed/Shunshin can't be ranked in the same list .anyway your list ,obviously, regards only footspeed considering where you ranked Tobirama .

-DMS kakashi has better speed feats than Rin sasuke but by somehow he is in the same tier with kcm minato. The same guy who nearly blitzed kaguya. The same guy whose speed was hyped to be godly in DB even after Jiubijins and rikudo charachers were introduced .the underrating of kakashi is too high with this one .he needs to move up a tier .him having little rikudo chakra doesn't get rid of his feats .feats are what lead us not the other way around .Naruto and sasuke's chakra is nowhere kaguya's and JJs yet you ranked them on par with kaguya and above JJs and at the same time you are talking about kakashi illogical feats !!!!

-lightened v2 Ay can go up a tier .

-7th gate Gai can possibly make it to tier 2.

-Kaguya has no shunshin feats and her flight speed feats don't put her that high .

-No feats suggest that adult naruto or sasuke are that high .adult naruto couldn't even react to shin's sudden attack indicating lower stats ,shin even commented on this .no way they are above Rikudo Madara .they go down a tier.

-EMS Sasuke hasnt displayed shunshin feats put him that high .

-War arc kakashi and CM Sasuke can go up considering Kakashi's feat against the jins and Sasuke's feats in base.

-Diedra is too low .he has 4.5 in speed and was able to evade Sasuke's shunshin with his own shunshin.that should put him in the same tier of base hebi Sasuke .

There is alote of flaws .it would be too hard to address them all .

 

[KidGamer65]

-No reason why Base Minato should be a tier above V1 Ay when V1 Ay's Shunshin is either on par or better and his reactions are easily superior.

-EMS Sasuke can trace Juubi Jins, he goes above Base Minato. In fact it doesn't even make sense to put EMS Sasuke a tier below BM/KCM Naruto when BM/KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke already matched each other in reaction speed before Sasuke's eye became trained to track Juubi Jins. Sasuke's reaction speed post Juubito fight>>KCM/BM Naruto's. BM Naruto has the advantage in Shunshin, so they balance out.

-lol @ Base Ay being Tier 9 when Manga puts Base Ay equal to Base Minato in reaction speed, who is all the way in Tier 5. And his movements aren't slow either according to Zetsu so there's no reason he should be that low.

-How in the world are you putting Pain Arc SM Naruto and 5G Lee in the same tier? And Base Gai? How are you putting Sakura and Tsunade on par with SM Naruto and GAI? Gai especially considering his reflexes have been hyped to be flash like in speed and his Shunshin is better.

 

[Icelerate]

-No reason why Base Minato should be a tier above V1 Ay when V1 Ay's Shunshin is either on par or better and his reactions are easily superior.

I moved base Minato down one tier.

-EMS Sasuke can trace Juubi Jins, he goes above Base Minato. In fact it doesn't even make sense to put EMS Sasuke a tier below BM/KCM Naruto when BM/KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke already matched each other in reaction speed before Sasuke's eye became trained to track Juubi Jins. Sasuke's reaction speed post Juubito fight>>KCM/BM Naruto's. BM Naruto has the advantage in Shunshin, so they balance out.

Visual reactions don't imply you can physically react just as fast. Also I'm putting more emphasis on shunshin/movement speed over reactions so no they don't balance out. Sasuke's physical reaction is on par with BM Naruto so it's inferior to BSM Naruto.

-lol @ Base Ay being Tier 9 when Manga puts Base Ay equal to Base Minato in reaction speed, who is all the way in Tier 5. And his movements aren't slow either according to Zetsu so there's no reason he should be that low.

So does that mean base Tsunade goes up as well because

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-How in the world are you putting Pain Arc SM Naruto and 5G Lee in the same tier? And Base Gai? How are you putting Sakura and Tsunade on par with SM Naruto and GAI? Gai especially considering his reflexes have been hyped to be flash like in speed and his Shunshin is better.

Part one Kakashi needed the sharingan to track 5G Lee's movements so he stays in this tier unless you think Kakashi needs the sharingan to view the speed of the ones below this tier. Pain arc Naruto doesn't have any speed feats that would imply he's above this tier. Base Gai has great reactions but I'm not aware of any shunshin feats that would imply he is better than Byakogou Tsunade who

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. On the other hand, to catch up to Kisame who was travelling in a water shark, Gai needed 6 gates (

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[KidGamer65]

I moved base Minato down one tier.

Visual reactions don't imply you can physically react just as fast. Also I'm putting more emphasis on shunshin/movement speed over reactions so no they don't balance out. Sasuke's physical reaction is on par with BM Naruto so it's inferior to BSM Naruto.

Lol why would you put more emphasis on one than the other? Especially when reactions are more important. Either way, should've said so in the OP instead of saying so now. The first sentence doesn't even matter since the only speed Naruto has over Sasuke is Shunshin. They are shown to be on par in everything else. The last sentence is also irrelevant since I never said to move him to BSM Naruto's tier. I said move him to BM Naruto's tier.

So does that mean base Tsunade goes up as well because

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Coordinated attacks=/=Same reaction speed. Mu and Madara charged the Kage at the same time yet Madara>>Mu in every form of speed. So no, Tsunade stays where she is. Not sure if I should take the last feat seriously since it's the same argument Tsunade supporters use to prove her speed when in reality there is nothing in that scan that shows Tsunade outspeeding Ay as Ay didn't act.

Part one Kakashi needed the sharingan to track 5G Lee's movements so he stays in this tier unless you think Kakashi needs the sharingan to view the speed of the ones below this tier. Pain arc Naruto doesn't have any speed feats that would imply he's above this tier. Base Gai has great reactions but I'm not aware of any shunshin feats that would imply he is better than Byakogou Tsunade who

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. On the other hand, to catch up to Kisame who was travelling in a water shark, Gai needed 6 gates (

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-Blitzing Asura Path and his fight against Raikage easily put him in the tier above. Not sure why you are differentiating from Pain and War Arc Naruto in speed when the only difference between the two is the SM time limit and the FRS limit.

-Tsunade didn't outspeed the Water Dragon. The Water Dragon had been used, reached it's target before Tsunade ever reached Susanoo so you don't even have a comparison to make here. Tsunade nor Gai have any standout Shunshin feats, but Gai's reactions are easily above hers. So there's no reason to put Gai and her in the same tier.

 

[Icelerate]

Lol why would you put more emphasis on one than the other? Especially when reactions are more important. Either way, should've said so in the OP instead of saying so now. The first sentence doesn't even matter since the only speed Naruto has over Sasuke is Shunshin. They are shown to be on par in everything else. The last sentence is also irrelevant since I never said to move him to BSM Naruto's tier. I said move him to BM Naruto's tier.

Doesn't BM Naruto have a big advantage in shunshin? What about Tobirama?

Coordinated attacks=/=Same reaction speed. Mu and Madara charged the Kage at the same time yet Madara>>Mu in every form of speed. So no, Tsunade stays where she is. Not sure if I should take the last feat seriously since it's the same argument Tsunade supporters use to prove her speed when in reality there is nothing in that scan that shows Tsunade outspeeding Ay as Ay didn't act.

It wasn't a coordinated attack because neither expected to get transported right into the enemies' faces. They simply attacked as soon as they were transported. When did I claim that Tsunade outspeed Ay? I simply said that Tsunade reacted faster than him as Ay had every reason to move out of the way but I guess Tsunade may simply have thought about what to do faster than Ay in that situation.

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-Blitzing Asura Path and his fight against Raikage easily put him in the tier above. Not sure why you are differentiating from Pain and War Arc Naruto in speed when the only difference between the two is the SM time limit and the FRS limit.

War Arc base Naruto>Pain Arc base Naruto in speed in my tier list but I could be wrong but in that case I'm changing both base Narutos as well. "Blitzing" Asura path was an interception feat while it was busy attacking Tsunade. Not sure how that speed feat is more legit than Sakura blitzing Shin. MS Sasuke did something similar to V1 Ay at the kage summit so I'm not too sure if SM Naruto should be one tier higher. If anything I should move both of them higher. However, then I'm not sure where to put CS1/CS2 Sasuke because putting him a tier higher seems too high but maybe I'm wrong.

-Tsunade didn't outspeed the Water Dragon. The Water Dragon had been used, reached it's target before Tsunade ever reached Susanoo so you don't even have a comparison to make here. Tsunade nor Gai have any standout Shunshin feats, but Gai's reactions are easily above hers. So there's no reason to put Gai and her in the same tier.

She outspeed the water dragon based on the fact that the tongue of the water dragon sent susanoo flying faster than the water dragon itself in Tsunade's frame of reference. Then right after Ay hits it, Tsunade reaches the susanoo before the water dragon and covers all that distance nigh instantly as

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. That's actually a greater shunshin feat than most in this tier even though Tsunade's reactions don't compete with most of the others in this tier so she stays here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't BM Naruto have a big advantage in shunshin? What about Tobirama?

He does, and Sasuke has a big advantage in reaction speed. Tobirama can move up to BM Naruto's tier too considering he has physically reacted to someone BM Naruto couldn't physically react to.

It wasn't a coordinated attack because neither expected to get transported right into the enemies' faces. They simply attacked as soon as they were transported. When did I claim that Tsunade outspeed Ay? I simply said that Tsunade reacted faster than him as Ay had every reason to move out of the way but I guess Tsunade may simply have thought about what to do faster than Ay in that situation.

If they are teleported and see the targets right in their faces, then they can make the conscious decision to attack. Whether together or whether apart. And you stating that Tsunade reacted faster than Ay is you saying that she outsped him. Hence the "reacted faster" part. But no one acted. So you don't have a point. The bold is an even worse argument to use since you are implying that Tsunade is fast enough to jump and slap away all of the fireballs before any of the other 4 Kage can move a muscle.

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War Arc base Naruto>Pain Arc base Naruto in speed in my tier list but I could be wrong but in that case I'm changing both base Narutos as well. "Blitzing" Asura path was an interception feat while it was busy attacking Tsunade. Not sure how that speed feat is more legit than Sakura blitzing Shin. MS Sasuke did something similar to V1 Ay at the kage summit so I'm not too sure if SM Naruto should be one tier higher. If anything I should move both of them higher. However, then I'm not sure where to put CS1/CS2 Sasuke because putting him a tier higher seems too high but maybe I'm wrong.

1. Doesn't change the fact that most of the people in that tier have reaction speed far surpassing Lee's.
2. All I see is Kakashi saying "fast". His Sharingan had been activated before Lee entered the 5th Gate.

War Arc and Pain Arc shouldn't differ in your list because there is no difference when it comes to physical ability. Curse Seal Sasuke goes in Tier 7. So does Peak MS Sasuke. MS Sasuke has darker and stronger chakra than he does in the 2nd state of the curse seal so his physical abilities shouldn't differ that much.

She outspeed the water dragon based on the fact that the tongue of the water dragon sent susanoo flying faster than the water dragon itself in Tsunade's frame of reference. Then right after Ay hits it, Tsunade reaches the susanoo before the water dragon and covers all that distance nigh instantly as

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. That's actually a greater shunshin feat than most in this tier even though Tsunade's reactions don't compete with most of the others in this tier so she stays here.

-Why would the Susanoo be moving faster than the Water Dragon? At best they'd be moving at the same rate while the water dragon was actually pushing it.

-Ay hitting the Susanoo causes it to stop or slow down at the very least, so Tsunade reaching before it moves a good distance doesn't matter. Ay was flying so there's no reason he'd be moving after he hits the Susanoo. So no, you don't have a point.

 

[Icelerate]

He does, and Sasuke has a big advantage in reaction speed. Tobirama can move up to BM Naruto's tier too considering he has physically reacted to someone BM Naruto couldn't physically react to.

Can EMS Sasuke do the same thing Tobirama did? If so, I'm moving both of them to that tier.

If they are teleported and see the targets right in their faces, then they can make the conscious decision to attack. Whether together or whether apart. And you stating that Tsunade reacted faster than Ay is you saying that she outsped him. Hence the "reacted faster" part. But no one acted. So you don't have a point. The bold is an even worse argument to use since you are implying that Tsunade is fast enough to jump and slap away all of the fireballs before any of the other 4 Kage can move a muscle.

They'd have to be in some type of communication with each other about attacking together or not. Also there's no reason for them to attack together because the faster each attacks, the better.

Once Tsunade jumped to intercept the fire balls, there was no need to move out of the way so I'm not claiming she can cross that entire distance before they can even move a muscle. Though I already dropped that point in my last post.

1. Doesn't change the fact that most of the people in that tier have reaction speed far surpassing Lee's.
2. All I see is Kakashi saying "fast". His Sharingan had been activated before Lee entered the 5th Gate.

1. Not sure whether we can prove or disprove this notion. I hope you're not arguing that gates don't amp up reaction speed.
2. If Lee travels fast even in the eyes of part one Kakashi, he's definitely not as fast as the characters on part one Kakashi's tier.

War Arc and Pain Arc shouldn't differ in your list because there is no difference when it comes to physical ability. Curse Seal Sasuke goes in Tier 7. So does Peak MS Sasuke. MS Sasuke has darker and stronger chakra than he does in the 2nd state of the curse seal so his physical abilities shouldn't differ that much.

Okay I agree.

-Why would the Susanoo be moving faster than the Water Dragon? At best they'd be moving at the same rate while the water dragon was actually pushing it.

-Ay hitting the Susanoo causes it to stop or slow down at the very least, so Tsunade reaching before it moves a good distance doesn't matter. Ay was flying so there's no reason he'd be moving after he hits the Susanoo. So no, you don't have a point.

Say I'm watching you running while I'm stationary. That means you're moving at a certain velocity. Now if you spit out something, its speed relative to me surpasses your speed relative to me. Now in this scenario, you are the water dragon, your spit is Madara and Tsunade is me as she was initially stationary when the water dragon blasted the susanoo.

Yes Ay slowed it down but for the vast majority of its flight after the WD spit it out, its speed surpassed the water dragon so its average speed should still be above the water dragon.

Also don't you think Byakogou can increase shunshin no jutsu speed quite dramatically much like it does to ninjutsu scale? So assuming base Sakura/Tsunade have average low kage level shunshin and reactions like the other shinobi listed in that tier, I'd assume their shunshin could easily become well above average.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Agree mostly, especially with Sakura's placement.
People really don't seem to get the concept of powerscaling.

 

[KidGamer65]

Can EMS Sasuke do the same thing Tobirama did? If so, I'm moving both of them to that tier.

That's what I don't know for sure. There doesn't seem to be any kind of major difference between their general movement speed, but I'll just say that Sasuke is close instead of putting him dead even with Tobirama here.

They'd have to be in some type of communication with each other about attacking together or not. Also there's no reason for them to attack together because the faster each attacks, the better.

And yet Madara and Mu and several others are in the same position yet other feats and statements blatantly put their reaction speed not on par.

1. Not sure whether we can prove or disprove this notion. I hope you're not arguing that gates don't amp up reaction speed.

Never said or even implied that they didn't.

Say I'm watching you running while I'm stationary. That means you're moving at a certain velocity. Now if you spit out something, its speed relative to me surpasses your speed relative to me. Now in this scenario, you are the water dragon, your spit is Madara and Tsunade is me as she was initially stationary when the water dragon blasted the susanoo.

And this doesn't matter because the Susanoo wasn't in motion let alone moving anywhere near that speed when Ay hit it, BEFORE Tsunade reached it, as the Manga shows. And since WD had finished moving and vanished by the time Tsunade made her move, there's no way or reason to claim that she was moving faster than something moving faster than WD.

Yes Ay slowed it down but for the vast majority of its flight after the WD spit it out, its speed surpassed the water dragon so its average speed should still be above the water dragon.

No, he didn't just slow it down. He crashed into it and Karate Chopped it. If it had any motion left in it then Ay wouldn't be coming forward after the hit, he would be going backward.

Also don't you think Byakogou can increase shunshin no jutsu speed quite dramatically much like it does to ninjutsu scale? So assuming base Sakura/Tsunade have average low kage level shunshin and reactions like the other shinobi listed in that tier, I'd assume their shunshin could easily become well above average.

Byakugo increases Ninjutsu scale by increasing the amount of chakra poured into the jutsu. If that is possible with Shunshin then it's possible for them to do this, but considering that process is automatic for them seeing the boost they get in their CES, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the difference isn't as large as you'd think it'd be.

 

[4 Sword Style]

Why are people mentioning EMS Sasuke tracking Juubito when he needed a cloak for that feat?

Without it he and KCM Naruto were showing similar reactions

Byakugo increases Ninjutsu scale by increasing the amount of chakra poured into the jutsu. If that is possible with Shunshin then it's possible for them to do this, but considering that process is automatic for them seeing the boost they get in their CES, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the difference isn't as large as you'd think it'd be.

Imo they could increase their body flicker speed but everything else stays the same.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why are people mentioning EMS Sasuke tracking Juubito when he needed a cloak for that feat?

Without it he and KCM Naruto were showing similar reactions



Imo they could increase their body flicker speed but everything else stays the same.

1. Why would the cloak change how fast the Sharingan itself tracks?
2. Even if it did, Sasuke's tracking got better from when he was matching KCM Naruto so take away whatever boost you think the cloak might have given him and you are still left with a superior Sasuke when it comes to tracking ability, thus he is > KCM Naruto with ease.

As for Byakugo, I could more or less agree as long as you aren't talking about strength, because strength increases.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

-No reason why Base Minato should be a tier above V1 Ay when V1 Ay's Shunshin is either on par or better and his reactions are easily superior.

-EMS Sasuke can trace Juubi Jins, he goes above Base Minato. In fact it doesn't even make sense to put EMS Sasuke a tier below BM/KCM Naruto when BM/KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke already matched each other in reaction speed before Sasuke's eye became trained to track Juubi Jins. Sasuke's reaction speed post Juubito fight>>KCM/BM Naruto's. BM Naruto has the advantage in Shunshin, so they balance out.

-lol @ Base Ay being Tier 9 when Manga puts Base Ay equal to Base Minato in reaction speed, who is all the way in Tier 5. And his movements aren't slow either according to Zetsu so there's no reason he should be that low.

-How in the world are you putting Pain Arc SM Naruto and 5G Lee in the same tier? And Base Gai? How are you putting Sakura and Tsunade on par with SM Naruto and GAI? Gai especially considering his reflexes have been hyped to be flash like in speed and his Shunshin is better.

When this happened? And what exactly are Gai reflexes feats ? Only one that I remember is saving Kakashi from gudoudama.

 

[KidGamer65]

When this happened? And what exactly are Gai reflexes feats ? Only one that I remember is saving Kakashi from gudoudama.

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Feats don't matter for this claim. If Kishimoto says that Gai has "quick as a flash" reflexes then there's no way he's on par in speed with the likes of Tsunade.

 

[NarutoX28]

The situation where Sasuke was tracking Juubito with his EMS was more of an emphasis of both Naruto and Sasuke's reactions were developing as Naruto even commented on finally being able to track Juubito despite being faster and more reflexive than KCM Naruto. I believe Kishimoto further cemented this when he had Madara comment Sasuke's movements thanks to his EMS that was constantly developing.

 

[NarutoX28]

When this happened? And what exactly are Gai reflexes feats ? Only one that I remember is saving Kakashi from gudoudama.

Did you forget the part where Base Gai outclassed War Arc Obito in CQC despite the latter being capable of defeating KCM Naruto in a few panels?

 

[4 Sword Style]

1. Why would the cloak change how fast the Sharingan itself tracks?

The real question is why are you under the implication that it doesn't?

Kakashi's Kamui became 3 times stronger and Sasuke's Susano'O got an extremely large boost. Theres no reason to believe that his precog wasn't enhanced as well, even though that's really what I was referring to. Even though it does

Even if you argue the above you point, no logical person would deny it increases his localized, non Sharingan, related reactions. The cloak pushed Lee's speed up so far he blitzed someone that a lightened V2 A couldn't with a distraction. So either way, the cloak increased his speed.

And the gaps make sense, if BSM Naruto and Cloaked Sasuke's reactions are on par then the cloaked mearly closed the gap that Naruto got from SM. Even though the boost Sasuke's Susano'O from the cloak implies that it was a much bigger jump than SM gave Naruto's Avatar (as well as the boost Lee got in speed compared to how much faster Naruto got)

2. Even if it did, Sasuke's tracking got better from when he was matching KCM Naruto so take away whatever boost you think the cloak might have given him and you are still left with a superior Sasuke when it comes to tracking ability, thus he is > KCM Naruto with ease.

What feat implies that his tracking improved or that his reactions were above Naruto's? Pre cloak feats.

as for Byakugo, I could more or less agree as long as you aren't talking about strength, because strength increases.

I was only referring to speed. I guess you could say they would get a little faster in general due to increased leg strength though

 

[KidGamer65]

The real question is why are you under the implication that it doesn't?

Kakashi's Kamui became 3 times stronger and Sasuke's Susano'O got an extremely large boost. Theres no reason to believe that his precog wasn't enhanced as well, even though that's really what I was referring to. Even though it does

Even if you argue the above you point, no logical person would deny it increases his localized, non Sharingan, related reactions. The cloak pushed Lee's speed up so far he blitzed someone that a lightened V2 A couldn't with a distraction. So either way, the cloak increased his speed.

And the gaps make sense, if BSM Naruto and Cloaked Sasuke's reactions are on par then the cloaked mearly closed the gap that Naruto got from SM. Even though the boost Sasuke's Susano'O from the cloak implies that it was a much bigger jump than SM gave Naruto's Avatar (as well as the boost Lee got in speed compared to how much faster Naruto got)



What feat implies that his tracking improved or that his reactions were above Naruto's? Pre cloak feats.



I was only referring to speed. I guess you could say they would get a little faster in general due to increased leg strength though

Kamui is Ninjutsu. Susanoo is Ninjutsu. Completely unrelated so I'm not sure where you are getting your support from, but it's definitely not he Manga. Second paragraph is irrelevant as I never said that his actual speed doesn't increase. Though the bold is pretty laughable. I highly suggest you start using common sense if you are deluded enough to actually sit here and argue that Lee blitzed Madara, in Base w/ just a cloak. Lol By this logic Obito didn't react to FRS because he just stood there. :lol And the rest is irrelevant simply because it doesn't address anything I've stated. Sasuke's speed increasing from the cloak is irrelevant as his Sharingan tracking increased, and that's independent of the cloak. Remove that cloak and that tracking boost is still there thus he's better than KCM/BM Naruto.

 

[4 Sword Style]

Kamui is Ninjutsu. Susanoo is Ninjutsu. Completely unrelated so I'm not sure where you are getting your support from, but it's definitely not he Manga. Second paragraph is irrelevant as I never said that his actual speed doesn't increase. Though the bold is pretty laughable. I highly suggest you start using common sense if you are deluded enough to actually sit here and argue that Lee blitzed Madara, in Base w/ just a cloak. Lol By this logic Obito didn't react to FRS because he just stood there. :lol And the rest is irrelevant simply because it doesn't address anything I've stated. Sasuke's speed increasing from the cloak is irrelevant as his Sharingan tracking increased, and that's independent of the cloak. Remove that cloak and that tracking boost is still there thus he's better than KCM/BM Naruto.

The Sharingan is a Ninjutsu as well, it derives its power from chakra. Therfore, related abilities would be powered up as well.

The thing is, he did. Madara had no reason to sit there and let Lee kick him in half, he didn't even attempt to block. Obito actually reacted with kamui, so he's irrelevant to the point

Sasuke's speed increasing is relevant because it boosted his reactions, even if the tracking stayed the same his reactions take a bit hit from loosing the boost.

You also ignored my request for feats of Sasuke's reactions surpassing KCM Naruto's before he got a cloak

 

[KidGamer65]

The Sharingan is a Ninjutsu as well, it derives its power from chakra. Therfore, related abilities would be powered up as well.

The thing is, he did. Madara had no reason to sit there and let Lee kick him in half, he didn't even attempt to block. Obito actually reacted with kamui, so he's irrelevant to the point

Sasuke's speed increasing is relevant because it boosted his reactions, even if the tracking stayed the same his reactions take a bit hit from loosing the boost.

You also ignored my request for feats of Sasuke's reactions surpassing KCM Naruto's before he got a cloak

Sharingan is Dojutsu, not Ninjutsu. Stronger chakra doesn't change how fast you track something nor would there be a reason for it to do so, and if the cloak is why his tracking improved then it would've been at the level needed to hit Juubito from the start, he wouldn't have had to adjust to his speed.

Kamui isn't a reaction. Kamui is automatic so no you don't have a point. FRS was thrown, and Obito didn't react at all. Please don't try and drag an argument insinuating that Cloaked Lee can do what Lightened v2 Ay was needed to do.

Bold makes zero sense because I'm not claiming that his reactions would be the same.

-Was there a boost in his tracking?

Yes.

Thus his reactions get faster than that, thus he reacts faster than KCM Naruto. Not that hard a concept to grasp. I ignored your request because it's irrelevant to the argument at hand. I've already shown that a Sasuke w/o matured tracking can match KCM Naruto so it doesn't take a genius to figure out who reacts faster when Sasuke's tracking has matured.