Even as a Sasuke fan I don't believe that he has mastered either Enton or Amaterasu yet.
The Sage chakra that Madara stole went straight to his "Hashi-boob". Madara hasn't shown the ability to fully release Senjutsu chakra; hence, the chakra is concentrated only in Hashirama's cells. Without Hashirama's chakra Madara wouldn't be abe to accomplish this feat. Either way, he hasn't "mastered" Sage Mode.
He didn't master Kamui at the time; after defeating the Mist Shinobi, he is seen struggling to stay tangible to hold Rin.
As I've stated some months ago, Doujutsu is a completely foreign area of Ninjutsu to Naruto.
And foreign for Naruto? Even though he has seen and or faced the execution of almost every Rin'negan technique in existance? How is Dojutsu foreign to him if he has such knowledge of it?
And foreign for Naruto? Even though he has seen and or faced the execution of almost every Rin'negan technique in existance? How is Dojutsu foreign to him if he has such knowledge of it?
Nope. Entirely Objective (for the first point, Sasuke has yet to use PS-scale Enton).
And foreign for Naruto? Even though he has seen and or faced the execution of almost every Rin'negan technique in existance? How is Dojutsu foreign to him if he has such knowledge of it?
We've had this debate previously (over PM), Naruto has no way of observing how any of these techniques are performed (unlike a Sharingan user). As stated my Hirudora (paraphrasing), Naruto might know the effect of these Jutsu, but he has no means of determining the cause.
On a separate note, I created a theory titled "Methods of Emanation", which explained why certain powers of the Rinnegan can possibly only be accessed by those with previous visual abilities (the Uchiha mostly).
Viable analogy, and I'd agree that applies. However, you'd know of the components (roughly) judging by the taste of the cake. And in Naruto context it's a bit different. Naruto has seen what Nagato does to utilize Chibaku Tensei, or how he used an outward or inward force for either Shinra Tensei or Bansho Tenin. He could quite easily reciprocate such feats. But this is arguing semantics, and not the basis of the theory. We keep going back and forth about the fundamentals of him actually having it, but not about the theory itself.
We've had this debate previously (over PM), Naruto has no way of observing how any of these techniques are performed (unlike a Sharingan user). As stated my Hirudora (paraphrasing), Naruto might know the effect of these Jutsu, but he has no means of determining the cause.
On a separate note, I created a theory titled "Methods of Emanation", which explained why certain powers of the Rinnegan can possibly only be accessed by those with previous visual abilities (the Uchiha mostly).
I read that theory. It was an interesting one, but I'm not fully convinced. That would imply Rikudou couldn't access the full powers of the Rin'negan because he had no previous ocular ability beyond the Rin'negan but we know him to be the only one to truly master the Rin'negan to the fullest of its abilities.
As for the first point, I disagree. The method of observations can vary, and it doesn't have to be exact and utilize a precise mechanism (like the Sharingan). Merely witnessing the execution of the technique and how it is executed may be enough. Having the Sharingan won't change how much you analyze a Rin'negan technique for the most part. And beyond all of this, it's likely Rikudou is appearing in the very near future (like 1-2 chapters) and should Naruto gain the Rin'negan, a makeshift "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" of sorts would let Naruto master his new abilities without having to resort to "asspull mastery" like the denizens of NB like to call it.
Some said previously that Naruto cannot have Rinnegan because his fighting style relies on raw power while Sasuke (who he think should have Rinnegan) has a fighting skill that is fitted for Rinnegan. What that person is forgetting is that to use Rinnegan, you need actually raw power. Nagato had raw power, just like Senjudara and SenjuBito. As the past chapter has shown, unless you have Senju and Uchiha DNA, the rinnegan will not open. Given that Sasuke does not have Senju DNA, and given that Obito who has it did not even get Rinnegan, it is clear that Sasuke cannot have Rinnegan.
First of all, here is where you are wrong. You don't need raw power in order to use the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan is a Dojutsu and the final evolution of the Sharingan, that alone proves that its a trait that belongs to the Uchiha upon mixing the power of the Senju into their bodies. Now unto your next point, it was never stated that one needs the DNA of the two clans in order to awaken the Rinnegan. It was stated that one needed the powers of the two clans in order to awaken and control the Rinnegan. The power of the Uchiha are the strong spiritual chakra while the power of the Senju are their strong life force. The spiritual chakra is manifested in the eyes or brain of an Uchiha and that is how the Sharingan was born, the life force of the Senju is manifested in their bodies. Its also highly likely that both the Senju power and Uchiha is connected to the person's spirit just as any chakra and power is.
So in order to awaken the Rinnegan one would need either the Sharingan or the brain of an Uchiha, one would also need a part of the Senju body or their entire body. An other alternative to obtain this would possibly be to have part of a Senju soul and part of a Uchiha soul. Tobirama Senju mentioned that he was willing to transfer his soul to Sasuke, giving him the power of the Senju and the ability to awaken the Rinnegan in a near death experience. Naruto still lacks the power of the Uchiha and he will most likely never get it. Now unto your point regarding Obito Uchiha. Madara Uchiha stated that the true power of the Sharingan would only unlock ones the two eyes where together. Obito only had one of his eyes in his Senju/Uchiha body. That is why he never awaken the Rinnegan naturally, he also lacked a near death experience.
It is also possible that one needs the EMS to evolve it into the Rinnegan.
It is simple. Naruto is distant relative of Senju, but he is not Senju. This is were many people make their mistake on the base. The reason Naruto was classified in the Senju inheritance was that he has the Will of Fire. However, we also know that the Will of Fire was passed down to the younger son by Rikudo himself as it is Rikudo's Will. Thus, Naruto was seen as Younger son's descendant due to his will, which actually is the Will of Rikudo Sennin. After Kishi updated this piece of information, most ES-YS analysts simply decided to remain in the past instead of adapting their information and admitting that Naruto is of Rikudo's bloodline.
Naruto is of the Uzumaki bloodline, which makes him of the Senju bloodline and of Hagoromo's bloodline. However, the same goes for Sasuke Uchiha and any Uchiha/Senju. Now Hagoromo didn't have the Will of Fire, his will was to create peace and that is what both of his son inherited, only that he chose his Younger Son as his successor as Hagoromo did indeed believe that love was the way to peace. However, the Will of Fire is not that. The Will of Fire is the will to never give up no matter what.
Well, Rikudo's bloodline is the bloddline of the child who was born of a mother who possessed the essence of Juubi within her. The child was born with the chakra resulting from that essence, and knew sealing techs that allowed him to beat the Juubi. Did the child have Rinnegan, or a form of dojutsus? Surely, we don't know.
Now, it turns out Naruto was born of a woman who has part of the juubi inside her. She also had power that only Juubi and her clansmate Karin have shown - that is chakra chain. It appears that Kushina and Karin have actually chakra inside them, and this chakra can manifest itself. Karin have even shown that someone can heal by biting her. The 6 lines on Naruto's face are the evidence that he was born with some kind of power that normal human being do not have.
This make clear that Naruto and RS have similar birth, both from special women with special power inside them.
The whiskers on Naruto's face does not come from Kurama being sealed within him, as he had those when he was born.
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Also if I don't remember to wrong, then Kishi did a comment on those saying that they were originally meant to have some special meaning but he threw away the idea. ( Again, not 100% certain no that. ) Its true however that Hagoromo and Naruto where born from rather special women. However Kaguya was more special as she held the blood of a combined Uchiha and Senju combined that alongside the Juubi's chakra and you have a good mix.
In the above scan, Kyuubi literally tied Naruto to Rikudo Sennin. One would say that this happened due to taking Kyuubi chakra, but it is also obvious that it was due to Naruto's seal as well. Besides, we don't know how Rikudo exactly beat Juubi, do we?
Consequently, only those who deny the above scan and the jutsus therein can classify Naruto in the Younger son clan for their own sake.
Hashirama Senju also preformed that type of sealing, this is most likely because its connected with Sage Mode and the Senju Clan. Which makes sense, seeing how the Uzumaki are distant relatives to the Senju. Thus both clans are probably able to use this seal. Also, we know how Hagoromo defeated the Juubi, he did it by sealing it within himself. Most likely using the same seal that Madara and Obito used. ( If sealing jutsus makes you of Hagoromo's direct bloodline, then you can count; Hashirama,Naruto,Madara and Obito as belonging to Hagoromo's direct bloodline.
In my opinion, Rinnegan is not a dojutsus that rely solely on eye power. Rather, it is both eye and body power. The only clan who has been able to use Rinnegan perfectly without mixing bloodline is Uzumaki - represented by Nagato. I believe that there is a reason Madara implanted the Rinnegan in an Uzumaki child. There is a reason why the Uzumaki are specialized in sealing. There is a reason why Uzumaki have long life, healing power, wide range sensing, etc. As you can see, the Uzumaki clan has diverse power than any other clan in a way that tie them to the source of all Ninja power.The only thing I waiting for is for Kishi to give a detail of their clan, and why they were destroyed.
The Rinnegan has been stated several times to be the natural evolution of the Sharingan. Its a Dojutsu belonging to the Uchiha Clan. Now, Nagato was far from able to use the Rinnegan to its full extent, Madara has shown and commented on that. By Madara's words, one is not able to awaken the Rinnegan without the powers of the Senju and Uchiha and one cannot control the Gedo Mazou properly either without these two powers. Now, we saw that Nagato was unable to control the Gedo Mazou upon his first summon of the statue, and we also know that he needed help to use it for sealing. While Obito and Madara was able to use it without help at all. That is because they had both the powers, while Nagato only had one of the powers. Short said, an Uzumakicannot use the Rinnegan properly without the power of the Uchiha.
Now, about the other "unique" traits of the Uzumaki Clan you mentioned. Their abilities to live long and their healing power is something they share along side the Senju Clan, which again makes sense since they are relatives. Wide Range Sensing is something several clans have, Tobirama, Hashirama, Minato and several others have all shown the ability to sense over great distances. Its not a unique trait to the Uzumaki. Their skill in sealing isn't something unique to them either as Minato learned and mastered several of their jutsus. They probably excelled in that because they preferred non-violence. The Uzumaki only have one known unique trait and that is their Chakra Chains, which are connected to the Gedo Mazou statue.
Conclusion
The Uzumaki Clan are distance relatives of the Senju Clan and are not able to awaken the Rinnegan without the power of the Uchiha Clan. They have a single unique known trait which are their chakra chains. Naruto Uzumaki will not awaken the Rinnegan.
I really dont know what the fuss about or the big analogy about rikudou naruto is even the so6p have told the 9 bijus that they would meet the person that would lead them down the right path also when he determined who the ninja world should follow he choose his younger son and the method to be thru LOVE. All this things are what naruto stands for, even down to what madara said about what so6p meant chakra should used for remember
I really dont know what the fuss about or the big analogy about rikudou naruto is even the so6p have told the 9 bijus that they would meet the person that would lead them down the right path also when he determined who the ninja world should follow he choose his younger son and the method to be thru LOVE. All this things are what naruto stands for, even down to what madara said about what so6p meant chakra should used for remember
Madara acts out of love for his clan, which he lost. Though he doesn't believe people like Naruto does. I also think that if the way Hagoromo tried was the way to true peace the he would have succeed in doing so. However I don't think that Madara or the Older Son was correct either. I think that they were both partially correct. Peace is gained through love and through power. The partnership of those two, the Yin and Yang as Madara already stated. By bringing those two powers together, one can achieve true peace.
Madara acts out of love for his clan, which he lost. Though he doesn't believe people like Naruto does. I also think that if the way Hagoromo tried was the way to true peace the he would have succeed in doing so. However I don't think that Madara or the Older Son was correct either. I think that they were both partially correct. Peace is gained through love and through power. The partnership of those two, the Yin and Yang as Madara already stated. By bringing those two powers together, one can achieve true peace.
I might have to disagree with U. Madara did had love for his family meaning his brothers not his CLAN. His whole idea is to change the way ninja world is ran because he believes in his own philosophy and power. Hashirama believed he loved his clan but he just did not respect that didn't love or was stronger than him. He took his bro eyes and challenged the leaf till the point of thinking of round two when hashiraam dies and nobody with equal strength exsit.
I might have to disagree with U. Madara did had love for his family meaning his brothers not his CLAN. His whole idea is to change the way ninja world is ran because he believes in his own philosophy and power. Hashirama believed he loved his clan but he just did not respect that didn't love or was stronger than him. He took his bro eyes and challenged the leaf till the point of thinking of round two when hashiraam dies and nobody with equal strength exsit.
Madara cared deeply for his clan, he went to great lengths in order to protect them. He did so, not only because he cared for them, but also because it was Izuna's dying wish. Through Madara, we also know that Izuna gave him his eyes freely as he was dying from the wound he got from Tobirama Senju. Madara dreamed and still dream of peace, but he didn't believe that Hashirama's ways where the right way to peace, and he was partially correct. Peace cannot be achieved through love alone, power is also needed. One cannot understand the true meaning of love until one has experienced hatred. That is what Madara meant by it. He said that the true way to peace was to combine the two powers. However, he was thinking of the wrong powers. Its not the chakra and body of the two sons, but their ideals. The ideals that makes people walk on a path, their hopes, ideals and dreams.
First of all, here is where you are wrong. You don't need raw power in order to use the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan is a Dojutsu and the final evolution of the Sharingan, that alone proves that its a trait that belongs to the Uchiha upon mixing the power of the Senju into their bodies. Now unto your next point, it was never stated that one needs the DNA of the two clans in order to awaken the Rinnegan. It was stated that one needed the powers of the two clans in order to awaken and control the Rinnegan. The power of the Uchiha are the strong spiritual chakra while the power of the Senju are their strong life force. The spiritual chakra is manifested in the eyes or brain of an Uchiha and that is how the Sharingan was born, the life force of the Senju is manifested in their bodies. Its also highly likely that both the Senju power and Uchiha is connected to the person's spirit just as any chakra and power is.
So in order to awaken the Rinnegan one would need either the Sharingan or the brain of an Uchiha, one would also need a part of the Senju body or their entire body. An other alternative to obtain this would possibly be to have part of a Senju soul and part of a Uchiha soul. Tobirama Senju mentioned that he was willing to transfer his soul to Sasuke, giving him the power of the Senju and the ability to awaken the Rinnegan in a near death experience. Naruto still lacks the power of the Uchiha and he will most likely never get it. Now unto your point regarding Obito Uchiha. Madara Uchiha stated that the true power of the Sharingan would only unlock ones the two eyes where together. Obito only had one of his eyes in his Senju/Uchiha body. That is why he never awaken the Rinnegan naturally, he also lacked a near death experience.
It is also possible that one needs the EMS to evolve it into the Rinnegan.
Naruto is of the Uzumaki bloodline, which makes him of the Senju bloodline and of Hagoromo's bloodline. However, the same goes for Sasuke Uchiha and any Uchiha/Senju. Now Hagoromo didn't have the Will of Fire, his will was to create peace and that is what both of his son inherited, only that he chose his Younger Son as his successor as Hagoromo did indeed believe that love was the way to peace. However, the Will of Fire is not that. The Will of Fire is the will to never give up no matter what.
The whiskers on Naruto's face does not come from Kurama being sealed within him, as he had those when he was born.
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Also if I don't remember to wrong, then Kishi did a comment on those saying that they were originally meant to have some special meaning but he threw away the idea. ( Again, not 100% certain no that. ) Its true however that Hagoromo and Naruto where born from rather special women. However Kaguya was more special as she held the blood of a combined Uchiha and Senju combined that alongside the Juubi's chakra and you have a good mix.
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Hashirama Senju also preformed that type of sealing, this is most likely because its connected with Sage Mode and the Senju Clan. Which makes sense, seeing how the Uzumaki are distant relatives to the Senju. Thus both clans are probably able to use this seal. Also, we know how Hagoromo defeated the Juubi, he did it by sealing it within himself. Most likely using the same seal that Madara and Obito used. ( If sealing jutsus makes you of Hagoromo's direct bloodline, then you can count; Hashirama,Naruto,Madara and Obito as belonging to Hagoromo's direct bloodline.
The Rinnegan has been stated several times to be the natural evolution of the Sharingan. Its a Dojutsu belonging to the Uchiha Clan. Now, Nagato was far from able to use the Rinnegan to its full extent, Madara has shown and commented on that. By Madara's words, one is not able to awaken the Rinnegan without the powers of the Senju and Uchiha and one cannot control the Gedo Mazou properly either without these two powers. Now, we saw that Nagato was unable to control the Gedo Mazou upon his first summon of the statue, and we also know that he needed help to use it for sealing. While Obito and Madara was able to use it without help at all. That is because they had both the powers, while Nagato only had one of the powers. Short said, an Uzumakicannot use the Rinnegan properly without the power of the Uchiha.
Now, about the other "unique" traits of the Uzumaki Clan you mentioned. Their abilities to live long and their healing power is something they share along side the Senju Clan, which again makes sense since they are relatives. Wide Range Sensing is something several clans have, Tobirama, Hashirama, Minato and several others have all shown the ability to sense over great distances. Its not a unique trait to the Uzumaki. Their skill in sealing isn't something unique to them either as Minato learned and mastered several of their jutsus. They probably excelled in that because they preferred non-violence. The Uzumaki only have one known unique trait and that is their Chakra Chains, which are connected to the Gedo Mazou statue.
Conclusion
The Uzumaki Clan are distance relatives of the Senju Clan and are not able to awaken the Rinnegan without the power of the Uchiha Clan. They have a single unique known trait which are their chakra chains. Naruto Uzumaki will not awaken the Rinnegan.
1. Can you show a single panel from the manga where it is stated that Rikudo had Sharingan?
2. Can you show a single panel from which it is stated that Rinnegan is the natural evolution of Sharingan?
Whether you like it or not, there is no panel from the manga to say what you are saying. Rather:
(a) Jiraya said that Rinnegan is a rare dojutsus that appears in time of great change.
(b) Madara said that Rinnegan cannot open unless you have both Senju and Uchiha power.
(c) The manga says that Rinnegan is both Yin and yang release
(d) The manga said that Rinnegan was Rikudo's eye without explaining how he got it.
If we compile all these information, it appears clearly that both Senju and Uchiha can obtain Rinnegan if they implant the DNA of the opposite clan. In addition, these fact shows that some other people who are neither Uchiha nor Senju can awaken Rinnegan if they have Rikudo's original power, condition of obtaining Rinnegan, etc.
Basically, there are two methods of obtaining Rinnegan: (1) Rikudo's method, the true one, and (2) A scientific synthesis from an attempt to reconstitute Rikudo's bloodline. Clearly, Madara is using the second method, and we speculate that Naruto will obtain Rinnegan by the first method. It is a speculation, and it is a very valid one supported by many hint from the manga.
Nope. Entirely Objective (for the first point, Sasuke has yet to use PS-scale Enton).
We've had this debate previously (over PM), Naruto has no way of observing how any of these techniques are performed (unlike a Sharingan user). As stated my Hirudora (paraphrasing), Naruto might know the effect of these Jutsu, but he has no means of determining the cause.
On a separate note, I created a theory titled "Methods of Emanation", which explained why certain powers of the Rinnegan can possibly only be accessed by those with previous visual abilities (the Uchiha mostly).
You are wrong, bro. A ninjutsu is performed by using chakra in coordination with a hand seal. Thus, once you can mold the corresponding chakra, and you know the hand seal, you can perform the ninjutsu. An example was shown in the war where Shikamaru's father asked the rock ninja to give the formula for a simple doton (earth) element jutsus, and all the fodders who never used earth executed the jutsus to block an attack from juubi or Madarabito.
Now, lately, it have been shown that Naruto can create chakra that match everyone on the battlefield from all five countries. It has been shown that Naruto has surpassed even Minato in chakra control. Then, if you have good memory, you should know that from fighting Nagato, Naruto can recognize all the Rinnegan hand seals. He proved it when he met edo nagato, and learn the only paths he did not see during their fight - the human paths.
When Madara wanted Obito to Rinne Tensei him for the first time, everyone got fooled by the hand seal Obito performed, except Naruto. While Hashirama and Minato thought it was a Rinne Tensei hand seal, Naruto recognize that it wasn't the proper one. Consequently, he was the one to save Minato and Sasuke from being destroyed by Obito when he absorbed Juubi.
As you can see, Naruto already knows all the hand seals for the six paths techniques. Performing them is just the same as performing any other hand seal. Next, if someone has the chakra pool to do six path technique, then Naruto is a good candidate.
Also, if you compare Rinnegan and Sharingan, you will see a big difference - that is there is almost no hand seal for Sharingan jutsus while most Rinnegan jutsus involves hand seal. This show that Rinnegan is both eye and body techniques. Morepver, it is easily seen that without the proper body, it is impossible to use Rinnegan.
Finally, if you try to answer why Obito who had more Senju DNA than Madara never got his eyes turned into Rinnegan, then you will see that there is more to Rinnegan than Sharingan. Then, if you think it is because Obito did not have EMS, then ask Madara why he has to almost die in order for the Rinnegan to open.
1. Can you show a single panel from the manga where it is stated that Rikudo had Sharingan?
2. Can you show a single panel from which it is stated that Rinnegan is the natural evolution of Sharingan?
Whether you like it or not, there is no panel from the manga to say what you are saying. Rather:
(a) Jiraya said that Rinnegan is a rare dojutsus that appears in time of great change.
(b) Madara said that Rinnegan cannot open unless you have both Senju and Uchiha power.
(c) The manga says that Rinnegan is both Yin and yang release
(d) The manga said that Rinnegan was Rikudo's eye without explaining how he got it.
If we compile all these information, it appears clearly that both Senju and Uchiha can obtain Rinnegan if they implant the DNA of the opposite clan. In addition, these fact shows that some other people who are neither Uchiha nor Senju can awaken Rinnegan if they have Rikudo's original power, condition of obtaining Rinnegan, etc.
Basically, there are two methods of obtaining Rinnegan: (1) Rikudo's method, the true one, and (2) A scientific synthesis from an attempt to reconstitute Rikudo's bloodline. Clearly, Madara is using the second method, and we speculate that Naruto will obtain Rinnegan by the first method. It is a speculation, and it is a very valid one supported by many hint from the manga.
First of all, if you want a entire explanation to the powers of the two clans, please see this thread:
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Now unto answering your questions. ( Though they are already answered in that thread. )
Hagoromo didn't have the Sharingan as the Sharingan is a devolution of the Rinnegan which was most likely created by combining the Ōtsutsuki lineage and the power of the Juubi. These powers became one when Hagoromo was born and thus he awaken a new power, the Rinnegan. That is why the powers of both clans are needed in order to awaken the Rinnegan as it will give you the complete DNA and chakra set of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. A man which is a hybrid between the Juubi and humanity. Though this is only a very likely theory.
The Rinnegan is formed and manifested in the eyes once the life force of the Senju Clan is added to the mix of the already existing Uchiha Clan power. The Sharingan is simply the manifestation of the Uchiha Clan's power. The added life force evolved the Sharingan into a Rinnegan, and thus its the natural evolution. The power of the Senju is their life force, the power of the Uchiha are their spiritual quality, their chakra. ( Again read my other thread for more info. )
Also, Jiraya based that off fairy tales and legends. They were proven wrong when Madara "created" the Rinnegan within himself as the Dojutsu didn't simply appear. Also, Madara never said you had to have the powers to open the Rinnegan. You need both powers in order to awaken the Rinnegan and to fully control the Gedo Mazou. Its also true that the Rinnegan is both Yin and Yang. The power of the Uchiha are the Yin, while the power of the Senju are the Yang. When these two powers are combined, they mix and evolve the Sharingan into the Rinnegan as a physical manifestation of the power's mixing.
The probability that Naruto awakens the Rinnegan: 0.1%
The probability that Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan: 20%
Sasuke is far more likely to awaken the Rinnegan, but even for him it's unlikely. Sasuke's power-up will likely relate to "the unaltered truth about Ninjutsu".
The probability that Naruto awakens the Rinnegan: 0.1%
The probability that Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan: 20%
Sasuke is far more likely to awaken the Rinnegan, but even for him it's unlikely. Sasuke's power-up will likely relate to "the unaltered truth about Ninjutsu".
Those are laughable percentages, but alas, you're a stubborn one. They're both going to be Pseudo Rikudou's by the end of this war as that is the only way they are surpassing Madara and Hashirama, and by doing so, they will break the threshold on the powers they will obtain. Hence the Sasuke Sennin Modo predictions and the Naruto Rin'negan predictions. Before you break out the "Sage mode isn't a body power" fan fiction line on me, I understand your POV there, but it is purely a body power-up, as it does enhance EVERYTHING body related. Speed, reflexes, strength etc. So Sasuke gaining such would be aligning with becoming a Pseudo Rikudou and be in the same vain as Naruto gaining the Rin'negan (which has been indicatively foreshadowed on both sides and the parallel to Rikudou for him doesn't hurt).
OT: Beyond all of this, I'm glad there has been so much discussion that has been stimulated on this thread. Better to have these kind of discussions than the cesspool of idiocy that the NDS is.
Those are laughable percentages, but alas, you're a stubborn one. They're both going to be Pseudo Rikudou's by the end of this war as that is the only way they are surpassing Madara and Hashirama, and by doing so, they will break the threshold on the powers they will obtain. Hence the Sasuke Sennin Modo predictions and the Naruto Rin'negan predictions. Before you break out the "Sage mode isn't a body power" fan fiction line on me, I understand your POV there, but it is purely a body power-up, as it does enhance EVERYTHING body related. Speed, reflexes, strength etc. So Sasuke gaining such would be aligning with becoming a Pseudo Rikudou and be in the same vain as Naruto gaining the Rin'negan (which has been indicatively foreshadowed on both sides and the parallel to Rikudou for him doesn't hurt).
OT: Beyond all of this, I'm glad there has been so much discussion that has been stimulated on this thread. Better to have these kind of discussions than the cesspool of idiocy that the NDS is.
The Rinnegan holds the power to defeat the Juubi, same as the Sharingan holds the power to defeat a Bijuu. A Bijuu being a weaker version of the Juubi and the Sharingan being a weaker version of the Rinnegan, Naruto will most likely obtain a power that rivals the Juubi and Sasuke will most likely awaken the Rinnegan or a power that rivals it. Combined they will be Hagoromo's reincarnation, they will both be a part of the peace. They will the physical manifestation of Yin and Yang .
Those are laughable percentages, but alas, you're a stubborn one. They're both going to be Pseudo Rikudou's by the end of this war as that is the only way they are surpassing Madara and Hashirama, and by doing so, they will break the threshold on the powers they will obtain. Hence the Sasuke Sennin Modo predictions and the Naruto Rin'negan predictions. Before you break out the "Sage mode isn't a body power" fan fiction line on me, I understand your POV there, but it is purely a body power-up, as it does enhance EVERYTHING body related. Speed, reflexes, strength etc. So Sasuke gaining such would be aligning with becoming a Pseudo Rikudou and be in the same vain as Naruto gaining the Rin'negan (which has been indicatively foreshadowed on both sides and the parallel to Rikudou for him doesn't hurt).
OT: Beyond all of this, I'm glad there has been so much discussion that has been stimulated on this thread. Better to have these kind of discussions than the cesspool of idiocy that the NDS is.
Sage Mode also enhances the power of the user's chakra and in the case of 2T Sasuke (CS), it gave him comparable precognitive abilities to his 3T form. Sage mode enhances Yin and Yang equally. Any other assertion is pure fan fiction.
Animals use Senjutsu and it has been reflected through the Sannin. It isn't a "body" power.
The Rinnegan holds the power to defeat the Juubi, same as the Sharingan holds the power to defeat a Bijuu. A Bijuu being a weaker version of the Juubi and the Sharingan being a weaker version of the Rinnegan, Naruto will most likely obtain a power that rivals the Juubi and Sasuke will most likely awaken the Rinnegan or a power that rivals it. Combined they will be Hagoromo's reincarnation, they will both be a part of the peace. They will the physical manifestation of Yin and Yang .
You're speaking in such absolutes... can you predict the future? No. That's the point of theories. To postulate what may happen in the future or to establish a likely premise. Don't talk in such absolutes. And that interpretation is far off. The Rin'negan can "defeat the Juubi" because it came from the Juubi. The Sharingan didn't come from he Bijuu's and you don't/can't defeat a Bijuu with the Sharingan, but control it, which is different than defeating.
The Rinnegan holds the power to defeat the Juubi, same as the Sharingan holds the power to defeat a Bijuu. A Bijuu being a weaker version of the Juubi and the Sharingan being a weaker version of the Rinnegan, Naruto will most likely obtain a power that rivals the Juubi and Sasuke will most likely awaken the Rinnegan or a power that rivals it. Combined they will be Hagoromo's reincarnation, they will both be a part of the peace. They will the physical manifestation of Yin and Yang .
You're speaking in such absolutes... can you predict the future? No. That's the point of theories. To postulate what may happen in the future or to establish a likely premise. Don't talk in such absolutes. And that interpretation is far off. The Rin'negan can "defeat the Juubi" because it came from the Juubi. The Sharingan didn't come from he Bijuu's and you don't/can't defeat a Bijuu with the Sharingan, but control it, which is different than defeating.
