Space/Time Jutsu - Time aspect

[mstrnate]

a little discussion about time when examining the space/time jutsus used by Tobi, Minato, etc.

It is easily known that they are defying the physics of time by moving so fast, vast location changes (Minato warping TBB when ninetails attacked konoho).

Now i know that Minato is able to pass through different dimensions, and send things to different dimensions, emerging in the tangible world, and tobi has warped people to different dimensions. He is in control within these dimensions, and they seem to be a tangible place, practically like suspending time. So what i'm getting at is what powers does the time aspect of tobi's jutsu grant him?

Could tobi possibly have used space/time jutsu to travel through time? I mean i laugh as i write it cause it'd be too hack.:scorps: but what if he implanted one of the countless sharingan he has and it's tendancies were like shisui (famed teleporter) or any other past badass uchiha. He then unlocked it's powers and was able to warp himself forward in time.

Or he could use izanagi or izanami whichever and burn out an eye, but in the process create a gateway through dimensions to the future (too future conspiracy).

I just think this could help explain who tobi could be, dunno any thoughts?​

 

[I Am Pein]

a little discussion about time when examining the space/time jutsus used by Tobi, Minato, etc.

It is easily known that they are defying the physics of time by moving so fast, vast location changes (Minato warping TBB when ninetails attacked konoho).

Now i know that Minato is able to pass through different dimensions, and send things to different dimensions, emerging in the tangible world, and tobi has warped people to different dimensions. He is in control within these dimensions, and they seem to be a tangible place, practically like suspending time. So what i'm getting at is what powers does the time aspect of tobi's jutsu grant him?

Could tobi possibly have used space/time jutsu to travel through time? I mean i laugh as i write it cause it'd be too hack.:scorps: but what if he implanted one of the countless sharingan he has and it's tendancies were like shisui (famed teleporter) or any other past badass uchiha. He then unlocked it's powers and was able to warp himself forward in time.

Or he could use izanagi or izanami whichever and burn out an eye, but in the process create a gateway through dimensions to the future (too future conspiracy).

I just think this could help explain who tobi could be, dunno any thoughts?​

well most of what you said is wrong, minato moves through space not demenstions, he brings the space to him instead of going to it, techniclly its faster then light becuase you not moving at all.
Tobi actaully moves through a world or demention he created. He warps himself to it then comes out in a blink of an eye. its slower hen minatos but has a much larger range and can store things or himself in that demention.

-minato = space
-tobi = space
we have yet to see a time jutsu

 

[FlareBlitz]

that had some real thought in it lol not like those other threads saying its gotta be obito or someone lol. +rep and it could be possible who knows. it does sound plausible considering all of the s\t techs that we know of.

 

[iSpeak]

Space-time jutsu's just change time with respect to space (hence the name). So if a journey from 1 place to another was supposed to take 10 minuites, an S/T technique could allow you to do that in 5 minutes, or 3 minutes, or 1 minute, or 5 seconds, or instantly. I doubt it will allow you to travel through time (unless you use Yin and Yang). That would be too OP.

 

[ronus]

Nah!! Time travel Jutsu still is Unavailable in Naruto.. If It were Dragon Ball, then what you have told would be no surprise at all..

 

[mstrnate]

Nah!! Time travel Jutsu still is Unavailable in Naruto.. If It were Dragon Ball, then what you have told would be no surprise at all..

lol maybe naruto was born a super saiyan so that's why he lacks the red Uzumaki hair

 

[mstrnate]

well most of what you said is wrong, minato moves through space not demenstions, he brings the space to him instead of going to it, techniclly its faster then light becuase you not moving at all.
Tobi actaully moves through a world or demention he created. He warps himself to it then comes out in a blink of an eye. its slower hen minatos but has a much larger range and can store things or himself in that demention.

-minato = space
-tobi = space
we have yet to see a time jutsu

how so? He had pre marked spots which he dispersed the Tailed beast bomb too when kurama attacked konoho. how would he bring that marked space, outside konoho, to him when the thing he was moving (A MASSIVE BALL OF HATE CHAKRA) was being shot at him. He opened a seal to a dimension, the tbb passed through it and came out at the marked spot. Your response in invalid because he can warp things other than just himself.

 

[mstrnate]

Space-time jutsu's just change time with respect to space (hence the name). So if a journey from 1 place to another was supposed to take 10 minuites, an S/T technique could allow you to do that in 5 minutes, or 3 minutes, or 1 minute, or 5 seconds, or instantly. I doubt it will allow you to travel through time (unless you use Yin and Yang). That would be too OP.

with that as your theory how would you factor in the alternate dimensions tobi uses/travels through? its a new space, one entered and achieved only by casting the jutsu.

 

[iSpeak]

with that as your theory how would you factor in the alternate dimensions tobi uses/travels through? its a new space, one entered and achieved only by casting the jutsu.

Who said Tobi uses those dimensions to get from one place to another? We have only seen him store people in that dimension if I can remember correctly.

 

[chops]

a little discussion about time when examining the space/time jutsus used by Tobi, Minato, etc.

It is easily known that they are defying the physics of time by moving so fast, vast location changes (Minato warping TBB when ninetails attacked konoho).

Now i know that Minato is able to pass through different dimensions, and send things to different dimensions, emerging in the tangible world, and tobi has warped people to different dimensions. He is in control within these dimensions, and they seem to be a tangible place, practically like suspending time. So what i'm getting at is what powers does the time aspect of tobi's jutsu grant him?

Could tobi possibly have used space/time jutsu to travel through time? I mean i laugh as i write it cause it'd be too hack.:scorps: but what if he implanted one of the countless sharingan he has and it's tendancies were like shisui (famed teleporter) or any other past badass uchiha. He then unlocked it's powers and was able to warp himself forward in time.

Or he could use izanagi or izanami whichever and burn out an eye, but in the process create a gateway through dimensions to the future (too future conspiracy).

I just think this could help explain who tobi could be, dunno any thoughts?​

Minato and I guess Tobi have the ability to bend space.
Minato bends space, but does not go through dimensions.
If you bend space you create shortcuts.
Therefore, it takes a shorter time to go to far away places.
This is why it is called "space-time" jutsu.
They change time by manipulating space.

Since they can bend space there is a possibility that they are able to time travel.
If you look at your telescope you see stars that are billions or trillions of miles away.
If space is bended it might be possible to see the past where the light originated from.
They can also got to the future if they bend space many times enough, faster than light can travel then they can go see the future in no time. The faster someone goes the slower the time is.

I say that time travel or seeing the past might be possible because we are talking about the "Naruto Universe".
I will spare you guys my own theory about time traveling in the past though.
But I believe traveling into the future is possible.

 

[I Am Pein]

how so? He had pre marked spots which he dispersed the Tailed beast bomb too when kurama attacked konoho. how would he bring that marked space, outside konoho, to him when the thing he was moving (A MASSIVE BALL OF HATE CHAKRA) was being shot at him. He opened a seal to a dimension, the tbb passed through it and came out at the marked spot. Your response in invalid because he can warp things other than just himself.

its called basic physics which in all honestly is very hard to grasp, and how did you just disprove my arguement becuase he can warp other things you have no proof of the matter and i have all of universe as my eveidence. Ok then if he does move through demenstions why havent we seen it??? weve seen tobis so where is minatos stop being a retard and escpet the fact that you cannot fully grasp what im saying

 

[I Am Pein]

Minato and I guess Tobi have the ability to bend space.
Minato bends space, but does not go through dimensions.
If you bend space you create shortcuts.
Therefore, it takes a shorter time to go to far away places.
This is why it is called "space-time" jutsu.
They change time by manipulating space.

Since they can bend space there is a possibility that they are able to time travel.
If you look at your telescope you see stars that are billions or trillions of miles away.
If space is bended it might be possible to see the past where the light originated from.
They can also got to the future if they bend space many times enough, faster than light can travel then they can go see the future in no time. The faster someone goes the slower the time is.

I say that time travel or seeing the past might be possible because we are talking about the "Naruto Universe".
I will spare you guys my own theory about time traveling in the past though.
But I believe traveling into the future is possible.

this is correct.....with the excpetion of the time thing, we are always seeing the past becuase it takes time for the light to reach our eyes and by the time it does the original object is ahead by ___ amount example (a star is billions of light years a way, so were actually seeing the stars in the past billions of years)

 

[Gyakusetsu]

We have all seen that Tobi's pocket dimension consists of different cubes. Cubes are used to explain the principle of a 4th dimensional object. The concept of a 4th dimensional object is that it combines both space and time together. Think of it this way. You have single point and no dimensions. You make another point and connect them shortest distance. You now have a straight line (1-dimension). You draw an parrallel line equal distance apart and connect the ends you now have square (2-dimensions). You draw another parrallel square and connect the two squares end with straight lines. You now have cube (3-dimensions and where we live). You draw another cube and connect their vertices. You now have a tesseract (4-dimensions). Congratulations, you are now outside of our 3rd dimension and exist in the 4th dimension, Spacetime.

So what would the principles be of a 4th dimensional object? Well, living in a 3D world that's hard to say. Theoretically one could exist at all points at the same time so distance becomes irrelevant. It would not be viewable or touchable from lower dimensions. It would also give access to several Kinjutsu. Well, I made that last part up.