Sound 4 vs. Tsunade.

[Strict]

It was the same Genjutsu of Tayuya in in Juin 2.. Shikamaru freed himself by breaking his finger. The sound paralyzes your body and makes you unable to move. Why should Itachi just break Tayuya's Genjutsu at Juin 2 but be helpless when it's used through Kabuto? (we anyway don't know if Itachi would be indeed helpless against it alone). So even if the techniques in general are a bit stronger, you can't say to which extent and count it as a counter. Prime Kimimaro's webs weren't shown to be weaker.

Tsuande's strength >>>>> Susanoo's strength ( bar PS ).

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Alright, Tsunade broke the sword of Madara's Susanoo, but that doesn't make her strength >>>>>>>>>> Susanoo's.. the properties of their punches differ from each other. Sakura's AoE was around 200 (as calculated), but didn't visibly hurt the Juubi clone. V2 Susanoo easily cuts through Asura-Path's arms and a range of Kimimaro's bones with brute force (which according to you should also be harder than the original's, while the original's bones are harder than steel in Bse and Juin 2 increases the power tenfold).

 

[paratise]

Sasuke was outclassing them in speed with his sharingan off. They basically only won because of their secret techs and their numbers.

Yeah and that too. İf they exchange blows with Tsunade like they did with Sasuke they would be drop dead. Their speed/taijutsu is too insignificant and not a part of their fighting style.
Off topic: Also how do you think about Lee against base sound 4?

 

[Red Slayer]

i dont think 4 chunnin is nuff to beat Tsunade

 

[TheEvilOne]

Nah, Tsunade has easily more power then the Susanoo sword. Bare in mind even part1 Tsunade was able to crack the ground with one finger [

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]. War arc Tsunade's strength ( with the Byakugou released ) >>>> part1 Tsunade's strength. Why? Because even the Raikage's liger bomb [

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] is stronger then part1 Tsunade's punch [

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]. And even with a strength like this he was barely able to crack the V1 Susanoo.

Byakugou Tsunade on the other hand was able to shatter it [

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And let's not forget she was breaking the swords of the V3 like they were some random sticks [

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According to Hashirama, Sakura's strength is >/= Tsunade's strength. So this feat applies to her.

Anyways, even if I'm wrong about this, it doesn't really matter. Just because the Susanoo sword can't cut the webs it doesn't mean Tsunade can't tear them apart.

@caterpillar

5th gated Lee is too fast for them. I think he wins with mid-high diff.

 

[Strict]

But then again, wouldn't you compare the hardness of one of Susanoo's swords with a range of Kimimaro's bones, which are a) as hard as steel and b) enhanced with Sage Mode, when we know that already Juin 2 increases the power generally tenfold. That would make a range of bones with each 10 times harder than steal, which the Susanoo broke with brute force.

And as I said, it depends on the type of attack. Tsunade's punch has an immense momentum, but tearing apart material is based on pure muscular power. The webs are not only immensely solid but elastic. I remind you how a series of those webs he can shot instantly, can completely immobilize the target [

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]. And fighting 4 opponents at once at different ranges and with different abilities (Genjutsu, physical attacks) makes defending against the entirely of them very hard. But we can only assume the scenarios. They can start in base without any strategy, or, with knowledge, Juin 2 and tactic as they know her prowess, while Tsunade starts in base and has no reason to even activate the Yin-seal.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Well I guess we both have a point, but still, Tsunade's lifting strength is nearly 40.000 kg ( as Icelerate proved ) so I think Kidomaru's webs aren't stopping her.

 

[Strict]

Alright. Show me that post from Ice.

 

[TheEvilOne]

In part one, when she was starting to run low on chakra and started the fight without being at full power, she managed to lift up a

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. I don't know much about swords but I do know they are made out of metal, probably iron. Iron has a density of 7850 kg/m^3 (

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). I'm not good at calcs and scaling but I can tell that since the sword was a lot larger than Tsunade volume wise, it's volume is most likely at least 5 m^3. So Tsunade has the strength to pick up something as heavy as 7850 kg/m^3 * 5 m^3 = 39 250 kg. Over twice as heavy as two elephants. Bare in mind that current Tsunade is even stronger. She won't get restrained by those webs at all.

This is the post.

 

[Bantos]

God if you really think Tsunade can't break those webs. If you don't believe her strength will suffice (It does) then she can always create the same chakra scalpel things like Kabuto did. Tsunade already showed usage of this when she healed Naruto.

 

[TheEvilOne]

God if you really think Tsunade can't break those webs. If you don't believe her strength will suffice (It does) then she can always create the same chakra scalpel things like Kabuto did. Tsunade already showed usage of this when she healed Naruto.

The chakra scalpels can't cut his webs.

 

[Bantos]

The chakra scalpels can't cut his webs.

Why in the heck? :|

 

[TheEvilOne]

Why in the heck? :|

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Because the Susanoo sword can't cut it.

 

[Bantos]

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Because the Susanoo sword can't cut it.

Sasuke's enton sword would've destroyed that.
Chakra scalpel and a sword are completely different. Chakra scalpel is more like juken than a sword. Also Tsunade can pour her chakra from her hands to an enemy. She was going to kill Orochimaru with such technique.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

No, actually Tsunade's healing is better.

call me when tsunade tanked something compareable to the combined attack of 6 bijuus

 

[Bantos]

call me when tsunade tanked something compareable to the combined attack of 6 bijuus

But I don't have your number.

 

[Strict]

I wonder what Fukasaku's lifting weight is when he threw Gamabunta. 300.000kg? :b

 

[TheTailedSage]

This is the post.

If she gets cocooned even her strength wont allow her to escape because of the material of the web and its elasticity due to the chakra infused inside it.

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Once her body is stretched out it will spring back to its hunched form because of its properties. Strength in this matter doesn't matter when it comes to his cocoon She could be able to lift a moon but the webs cannot snap so trying to tear her way out of it is useless.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I wonder what Fukasaku's lifting weight is when he threw Gamabunta. 300.000kg? :b

Yeah, it is easily 300.000 kg. I know it is hard to imagine, but what Icelerate wrote is pure math.

 

[Icelerate]

Well I guess we both have a point, but still, Tsunade's lifting strength is nearly 40.000 kg ( as Icelerate proved ) so I think Kidomaru's webs aren't stopping her.

I checked with Rainbow Dash and he says that the volume of the sword is at most 40 m^3 while I guessed it to be around 5 m^3. So her actual lifting strength is much higher.

 

[BlacLord™]

Yes, it is.

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Couldn't even kill a Genin with no special regen abilities or tanking feats, it's not going to kill a Kage-level Senju/Uzumaki hybrid who can survive bifurcation.