soo... Tobirama >> MS Madara ?

[BloodSeed]

We see here that MS Madara = MS Izuna. They were equally strong.

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Now, in latest chapter, we see Tobirama owning MS Izuna,

So does it mean, Tobirama > MS Madara ?

Dat Tobirama

thats what i also thought if madara is equal or a little stronger than izuna then tobirama is stronger or equal to madara. and whats funny he got killed by a sword lol

 

[MrLukyso]

thats what i also thought if madara is equal or a little stronger than izuna then tobirama is stronger or equal to madara. and whats funny he got killed by a sword lol

That was Thunder God Slash. Space Time Ninjutsu probably stronger than Minatos.

 

[Roby]

You just said the exact same thing, and you pointed it again that by your logic Tobirama is > Hashirama.

You said that Tobirama can beat MS Madara.
But Manga proved it Hashi and Madar fought countless times even when Madara was 2-3 tomoed, but Hashirama couldn't kill him.

At that time Izuna was killed, Hashirama wasn't able to kill Madara. soo.. ?..

If you want to look at it that way then yes. Tobiramas S/T can be the one and only jutsu that can instantly kill or deliver a crushing blow to MS Madara. So yes when they still had only MS Tobirama probably could beat Hashirama. It never goes A > B > C > D..etc. in narutoverse .

 

[MrLukyso]

If you want to look at it that way then yes. Tobiramas S/T can be the one and only jutsu that can instantly kill or deliver a crushing blow to MS Madara. So yes when they still had only MS Tobirama probably could beat Hashirama. It never goes A > B > C > D..etc. in narutoverse .

I'm ending the debate with you, that's too much dumb.

You almost said Minato with his S/T could kill MS Madara... wow dude.

 

[Yuffosan]

The only reason why people find it hard to believe is cuz a lot of people look down on Tobirama just cuz he's "just" a Suiton user lol

 

[BloodSeed]

That was Thunder God Slash. Space Time Ninjutsu probably stronger than Minatos.

yea tobiramas spacetime was stronger than minatos spacetime thats why he failed to survived the ambush

 

[SSW Imp]

MS Madara>>>>>>Tobirama U_U

 

[Bogard]

No wonder he was so confident to be able to manhandle Madara alone

 

[MrLukyso]

No wonder he was so confident to be able to manhandle Madara alone

Actually he almost sh it his pants when he realized Madara was back.

He was confident because Madara was down, defeated by Madara, so even I could stab a sword into him

 

[the last shinobi]

Hashirama couldn't kill madara easily let alone tobimaru. Izuna admitted that Madara was stronger, there is no way tobimaru can beat the likes of someone
that was on par with hashirama. The fact that it took hashirama and tobimaru to beat ems madara and tobimaru wanted to kill
him whoile he was down proves that madara is above him

This manga doesn't show madara on par with Hashirama it looks like he was getting his ass whipped in everything from skipping rocks to fighting.

 

[Frikid]

It does not, look how Izuna said " Someone stronger than Big Bro ? " Also look how many times Madara saved Izunas life.

1 Tomoe Madara rapes Tobirama.

1 tomoe madara? seriously? :sy:
Also, saving one's life doesn't make one stronger than other, even sakura saved sasuke and naruto's life during chunin exams.

that was when they were kids. the manga states they were equal. The manga is proof.

Nope, they were equally strong , you would understand if your read the chapter.Madara became stronger when he obtained EMS.

No, way man. That doesn't even sound right...

i am talking about MS Madara.

no........

Yes.........

Both are very strong.. But still, Madara > Tobirama ^^

I am talking about MS Madara. Tobirama > MS Madara = MS Izuna

Guys just because Hashirama is stronger than Madara does not mean that it is only Hashirama. Hell if that was S/T that got Izuna then I can see him doing the same thing to MS Madara. So he is atleast on par with MS Madara. EMS is a whole new story and there I believe only Hashirama is better.

Second, manga stated that MS brothers were equal therefor if Tobirama was able to beat MS Izuna there is a bloody darn good chance of him doing so with MS Madara, that is a fact so deal with it. I'm not saying he is stronger in any way, I'm saying that he can infact beat MS Madara.

This is correct.

But now madara has EMS,rinnegan,first hokage cells etc.,

That is irrelevant to the topic.

No, it's this.

Hashirama>Madara
Tobirama>Izuna

Tobirama > MS Madara = MS Izuna

No, Tobirama just injured him.But Hashirama did beat them all.

Injured him to the point that he died after few minutes/hours.

Nope madara is on a whole different level

I am talking about MS Madara here.

By your logic Tobirama is stronger than Hashirama ? Are you nuts ?

Madara was fighting every day, day and night with Hashirama, with his 3 Tomoe then his MS.

Tobirama killed Izuna, so you mean to tell me he can do it while Hashirama can't kill Madara right ?

I haven't said Tobirama could beat hashirama, read the OP again.
Even tobirama and izuna and hashirama were fighting day and night, it was an era of war..

Hashirama couldn't kill madara easily let alone tobimaru. Izuna admitted that Madara was stronger, there is no way tobimaru can beat the likes of someone
that was on par with hashirama. The fact that it took hashirama and tobimaru to beat ems madara and tobimaru wanted to kill
him whoile he was down proves that madara is above him

Izuna never said Madara being stronger than him. And i have shown manga scan which states they were equal in every possible way .

You just said the exact same thing, and you pointed it again that by your logic Tobirama is > Hashirama.

You said that Tobirama can beat MS Madara.
But Manga proved it Hashi and Madar fought countless times even when Madara was 2-3 tomoed, but Hashirama couldn't kill him.

At that time Izuna was killed, Hashirama wasn't able to kill Madara. soo.. ?..

Madara himself admitted at one point , that if they( madara and family) fought against Hashi and his family then they would have lost.

and here comes the stupid threads and idoits.

1.tobirama didnt own izuna

2 did izuna unlock Sharagin before madara? proof?

cuz the last chapter showed madara unlocking it first.


3. i hardly call that last fight fair.

EMS Madara vs hashirama+tobirama+senju

You couldn't even spell Idiots correctly :sy:

1. WRONG. In manga, tobirama clearly did a fatal blow to izuna which killed him .
2. How does it matter who unlocked MS first? Tobirama defeated MS Izuna.
3. I am not even talking about last fight, i am talking about second last fight in which izuna got owned by tobirama.

If you want to look at it that way then yes. Tobiramas S/T can be the one and only jutsu that can instantly kill or deliver a crushing blow to MS Madara. So yes when they still had only MS Tobirama probably could beat Hashirama. It never goes A > B > C > D..etc. in narutoverse .

Your previous statement was correct but this was seems a bit wrong.


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I can't believe there are so many fanboys and idiots :sy:
If they see the name Madara, they think he is the strongest and can solo anyone :sy:
Manga facts >> fanboy opinion.

 

[StraawHat]

Why is it so important guys, seriously, it's PROVEN that Hashirama > Madara > Tobirama > Izuna get over it.

 

[Dark Artist]

Tobirama was about to kill madara with the sword when madara was laying on the ground he shits his pants

man Tobirama is so badass

 

[Sot viing hun]

Oh, I remember the good old days when some people claimed so confidently that Tobirama was totally helpless against a MS user like Izuna, chapters like these are delicious just for this sole reason.

 

[XtreMage]

so now you will hype tobirama because he delivered a surprising lucky hit?
remember that tobirama almost died against gin and kin brothers while he was in team with 2nd raikage.
also he died killed by a team of random assassins while madara and hashirama could affect the landscape with their powers.

 

[Yonbiboy13]

hashirama>madara>tobirama>izuna

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

izuna said "someone stronger than my brother?"
itachi is an imbecile. straight from izuna's mouth he implied inferiority. and he died easly to tobirama whereas hashirama ended the VOTE battle bloodied and wounded.

That was Thunder God Slash. Space Time Ninjutsu probably stronger than Minatos

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nowhere was it said it was space time at all

Hashirama chose not to kill madara ;]

madara still gained infamy by constantly getting into fights with hashi. he would be looked down upon unless he was actually holding his own in those fights

Second, manga stated that MS brothers were equal therefor if Tobirama was able to beat MS Izuna there is a bloody darn good chance of him doing so with MS

itachi is not a reliable source. choujuro said sasuke killed zabuza. ZOMG IT MUST BE TRUE COS THE MANGA NEVER LIES

. Of course he was stronger than MS Madara.

how does he hurt him? his swords break on susano.

Tobirama took on MS izuna and won and killed him

izuna died from wounds gotten in that battle against both tobirama and hashirama. tobirama just gave the final blow

Guys just because Hashirama is stronger than Madara does not mean that it is only Hashirama

"only hashirama could ever stop me"

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

This manga doesn't show madara on par with Hashirama it looks like he was getting his ass whipped in everything from skipping rocks to fighting

they are fighting on relatively even terms at VOTE. madara doesnt seem at all afraid of thousand hands jutsu.

also he died killed by a team of random assassins while madara and hashirama could affect the landscape with their powers.

tobirama used kenjutsu and speed in his fighting style. not massive statues and bijuudamas. being more destructive doesnt mean better.

Madara himself admitted at one point , that if they( madara and family) fought against Hashi and his family then they would have lost.

WHEN THEY WERE GODDAMN FREAKIN KIDS AND MADARA HAD 2/3 TOMOE

some people claimed so confidently that Tobirama was totally helpless against a MS user like Izuna

izuna didnt even have ms activated in those panels, and what tobi likely did was do a finishing blow on an exhausted blinding izuna