Something weird about Tobi's S/T Jutsu...

[C WET]

i think that it is as simple as attack, and defense... think about it... if you want to hurt someone do like kakashi did.. as an attack... where as what tobi is doing is protecting himself.. i'd be willing to bet that he can do the same thing kakashi can do... oh wait we've seen it a shit load of times... but instead of ripping parts of ones body he just takes the whole person and puts them in his secret dimension ... i don't think it's that hard to understand guys...:ice:


also he is much more skilled than kakashi at using it... the thing that confuses me is that... why is he able to use it with a 3 tomoe and not a MS...

 

[dareak]

Tobi is either using a different jutsu than Kamui or a very advanced Kamui.
Kamui simply sends things to the other dimension.

Tobi's jutsu can do that. But it looks like he has a shadow of himself in the normal dimension, when he's intangible.
Somehow this shadow is intangible yet still part of him. This is the part that isn't explained.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Tobi has to have his whole body either tangible or intangible, right?

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

like big bro panda said up there it's probably not the same attack its just the same dimension

 

[repulse]

It could be that Kamui is merely offensive, while Tobi's jutsu is defensive. Or Tobi just has more control over the technique.

Hmm, left eye is for offensive Space-time jutsu, and right eye is for defensive space-time jutsu.? Sounds to me like Obito would have been a very OP ninja if he were alive in the manga.

 

[ARandomBlackKid]

Here is how I think they could take Tobi out
Guy goes on the attack Be throws object so he has to make his whole body in that dimension and -Not Kuni or Shuriken or bee naruto can use clones to attack at the back of Tobi. Once Tobi is fully in naruto can have 2 clones TBB and at this time guy throws a kuni or whatever sharp or can do alot of damage to tobi so tobi is trapped between getting hit hard in the real world or 2X TBBed in that dimension due to Kakashi Kamuing both TBB'S either way if tobi is hit he is screwed
His Dimension 2x TBB Which we all saw what 1 rasengan did to him. = Killed or atleast beyond messed up.
Real World Smacked super hard so mask comes off and in alot of damage remember he can't suck things in if he is in the other dimension. let me know on any impossibilities you find in my theory. thanks :ice::ice:

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Tobi is either using a different jutsu than Kamui or a very advanced Kamui.
Kamui simply sends things to the other dimension.

Tobi's jutsu can do that. But it looks like he has a shadow of himself in the normal dimension, when he's intangible.
Somehow this shadow is intangible yet still part of him. This is the part that isn't explained.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Tobi has to have his whole body either tangible or intangible, right?

Naarp, He simply makes the area that is is about to be damaged intangible, Which is the weird thing; How do you warp your face away and are still alive?

 

[nNoma]

When your dealing with space and time there are so many unknown variables that can occur. In my opinion it's difficult to explain something like this, something we as humans don't fully understand ourselves. But what Kishimoto has explained makes enough sense to me. He's shown in the past that the sharingan can use both offensive and defensive doujutsu...this is true with susanoo' and amateratsu. It is also true with Sasukes sharingan which has been shown to use amateratsu in both an offensive and defensive way. At this point it's pretty clear that Kakashi and Tobis eye are linked in someway. It's possible to even say that Tobis eye is in fact Obitos or it belonged to a member of obitos family. If Tobi is an Uchiha like he claims to be its possible he does not need ms to use this advanced technique, perhaps he just has a better understanding of its abilities and has had more experience with it. I'm satisfied with Kishimoto's explanation, and besides we don't know the whole story yet, there's more to come.

 

[dareak]

Naarp, He simply makes the area that is is about to be damaged intangible, Which is the weird thing; How do you warp your face away and are still alive?

As I said before, I believe that with his jutsu he can make the body part cast a sort of shadow from the "other" dimension which is why it's intangible but not transparent.

Of course that's just my best guess.

And WOW, so many people are on this thread, y u no comment!

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Here is how I think they could take Tobi out
Guy goes on the attack Be throws object so he has to make his whole body in that dimension and -Not Kuni or Shuriken or bee naruto can use clones to attack at the back of Tobi. Once Tobi is fully in naruto can have 2 clones TBB and at this time guy throws a kuni or whatever sharp or can do alot of damage to tobi so tobi is trapped between getting hit hard in the real world or 2X TBBed in that dimension due to Kakashi Kamuing both TBB'S either way if tobi is hit he is screwed
His Dimension 2x TBB Which we all saw what 1 rasengan did to him. = Killed or atleast beyond messed up.
Real World Smacked super hard so mask comes off and in alot of damage remember he can't suck things in if he is in the other dimension. let me know on any impossibilities you find in my theory. thanks :ice::ice:

lol... Barrage of attacks;

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Seems legit! except tobi still has yet to use his Rinnegan

As I said before, I believe that with his jutsu he can make the body part cast a sort of shadow from the "other" dimension which is why it's intangible but not transparent.

Of course that's just my best guess.

And WOW, so many people are on this thread, y u no comment!

That is plausible, which means Tobi isn't simply using one Jutsu, IMO...

Lol so many people but so many comments to read, i'm having trouble keeping up myself

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

Hmm Good point... Nonetheless the fundamentals aren't changing, He is still warping a portion of himself to a different dimension, which as we've seen should not allow him to retain that portion in the dimension it was warped from...



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thats where i think youre mistaken, the fundamentals are changing because the purpose is changing, just like enton and amaterasu are fundamentally different even though theyre derived from the same basic black flame, one is summoning the flame at the point of focus while the other is moving already existing flame around to the wielders will

the same applies to kamui//ST migration/intangibility , one is used to warp at the point of focus, the other is used to warp the wielders body/parts at will, they dont have the same physical effect on tobi's body because even though theyre the "same" jutsu their mechanics and purpose are fundamentally different, imo, honestly i dont like how kishi explained it to be honest

 

[ShishaMastah420]

thats where i think youre mistaken, the fundamentals are changing because the purpose is changing, just like enton and amaterasu are fundamentally different even though theyre derived from the same basic black flame, one is summoning the flame at the point of focus while the other is moving already existing flame around to the wielders will

the same applies to kamui//ST migration/intangibility , one is used to warp at the point of focus, the other is used to warp the wielders body/parts at will, they dont have the same physical effect on tobi's body because even though theyre the "same" jutsu their mechanics and purpose are fundamentally different, imo, honestly i dont like how kishi explained it to be honest

When i say fundamentals, i mean;something is being warped to a different dimension, I don't even want to go into the complexities of pulling out what Tobi is doing, brain might implode lol

When your dealing with space and time there are so many unknown variables that can occur. In my opinion it's difficult to explain something like this, something we as humans don't fully understand ourselves. But what Kishimoto has explained makes enough sense to me. He's shown in the past that the sharingan can use both offensive and defensive doujutsu...this is true with susanoo' and amateratsu. It is also true with Sasukes sharingan which has been shown to use amateratsu in both an offensive and defensive way. At this point it's pretty clear that Kakashi and Tobis eye are linked in someway. It's possible to even say that Tobis eye is in fact Obitos or it belonged to a member of obitos family. If Tobi is an Uchiha like he claims to be its possible he does not need ms to use this advanced technique, perhaps he just has a better understanding of its abilities and has had more experience with it. I'm satisfied with Kishimoto's explanation, and besides we don't know the whole story yet, there's more to come.

I'm not saying i'm not satisfied, its just weird...but ofcourse there is more to come, alot we don't know

 

[dareak]

lol... Barrage of attacks, seems legit! except tobi still has yet to use his Rinnegan




That is plausible, which means Tobi isn't simply using one Jutsu, IMO...

Lol so many people but so many comments to read, i'm having trouble keeping up myself

The interesting thing is that he seems to control his intangibility without us seeing anything. What I mean is that when he does the full body dislocation, the swirl appears from his eye. With Kamui, the swirl appears around the target.
But when he only dislocates certain parts of himself, there is no indicator other than trying to hit him(lol).

So maybe he has one jutsu for the actual dislocation and one jutsu that allows him to be in both dimensions at once? It's hard to imagine that he would have two jutsus.

At this point Kamui and Tobi's jutsu HAVE to be different. As ANBUKakashi said, Kamui warps things at a point of the user's vision, while Tobi's jutsu warps things that are in physical contact with his body including his body itself.

I guess we need to wait for Kishimoto to elaborate.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

When i say fundamentals, i mean;something is being warped to a different dimension, I don't even want to go into the complexities of pulling out what Tobi is doing, brain might implode lol

its hard to defend it honestly because the inner workings of the tech are a little hard to grasp, but theoretically if tobi can transpose his entire body [like when he does when he moves in and out of objects like in the fu/torune fight] and still remain visible in our dimension then theres really nothing i can think of to say that he wouldnt be able to transpose lets say a hand or a foot, in that regard the partial body transfer holds up, but i see what your saying with the reference to his brain and what not, like i said its hard to grasp lol :shrug:

 

[ShishaMastah420]

its hard to defend it honestly because the inner workings of the tech are a little hard to grasp, but theoretically if tobi can transpose his entire body [like when he does when he moves in and out of objects like in the fu/torune fight] and still remain visible in our dimension then theres really nothing i can think of to say that he wouldnt be able to transpose lets say a hand or a foot, in that regard the partial body transfer holds up, but i see what your saying with the reference to his brain and what not, like i said its hard to grasp lol :shrug:

Lmaoo... Yup, Hard to grasp!

The interesting thing is that he seems to control his intangibility without us seeing anything. What I mean is that when he does the full body dislocation, the swirl appears from his eye. With Kamui, the swirl appears around the target.
But when he only dislocates certain parts of himself, there is no indicator other than trying to hit him(lol).

So maybe he has one jutsu for the actual dislocation and one jutsu that allows him to be in both dimensions at once? It's hard to imagine that he would have two jutsus.

At this point Kamui and Tobi's jutsu HAVE to be different. As ANBUKakashi said, Kamui warps things at a point of the user's vision, while Tobi's jutsu warps things that are in physical contact with his body including his body itself.

I guess we need to wait for Kishimoto to elaborate.

Kishimoto needs to do some serious elaborating