[Discussion] Something weird about Luffy's development

[Bogard]

I don't understand why Oda chose to give an upgrade to Luffy(G4) that is heavily dependent on his haki quantity. The way i've understood the G4 working, so far, the haki is used to help Luffy to contain the rubber balloon form while allowing him to conserve springness and even alter some of his movements with compression and thus is a mode that can't be used without haki

Problem however is that as explained in the manga, there is a limit in haki for any individual. We know for a fact that he already learnt G4 early on since he talked about a Kong Gun ineffective against a certain beast to develop King Kong Gun and we know that Rayleigh left Luffy for the last 6months, so at the very least a year or more, Luffy had time to think about the timelimit, yet never managed to overcome it, which is understandable considering it depends on his haki quantity(although he can maintain it for 20minutes now)

That means that no matter how huge Luffy's development will be, his G4 mode will always be dependent on his level of haki. Did Oda force this type of development on Luffy in order for him to increase his haki quantity time after time with a fighting mode this heavily dependent on? That means that even by the end of the manga, G4 will still have this restriction, although most likely Luffy's haki quantity will be vastly more important and if Luffy were to eventually find an alternative not dependent on haki(a possible G5), it would render G4 completely useless too

 

[solorflare99]

And restrictions are a bad thing? I'm glad this is happening. That way luffy can become better in base and not rely on power ups. I would like Naruto as a character if his power ups weren't so massive and his base form was actually reliable like Killer Bee and Gaara.

 

[Gitch]

Heres my prediction on G5 ....
G4 consumes haki
G5 will consume his life force ( a bit like super saiyan )

 

[sage1999]

Heres my prediction on G5 ....
G4 consumes haki
G5 will consume his life force ( a bit like super saiyan )

Gear 2 does tht

 

[sage1999]

Maybe when he first began his time limit was like 10 minutes but then he managed to get it to 20? Its like how Goku nd Gohan had to stay in SS1 form for training against Cell for the whole day so there bodies would get used to it. Obs the hd the hyperbolic chamber so they could significantly expand their time.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

G2 drained Luffy's stamina. He's now using G2 24/7

G3 overstretched Luffy's body so when it wears off, his body contracys, shrinks and loses its ability to stretch

G4 puts a lot of pressure on Luffy body(also notice that he also has G3 active). There is so much pressure that Luffy needs armament haki to maintain it even for a short time. All Luffy needs to do is train his body.

 

[Zantos]

IMO every time that a major power up is introduced (in general), there should be a limit on it in order to prevent spanning that power 24/7. It's the same case for gear 4.

P.n : just to point out the 20 minutes mentioned in that chapter had a misunderstanding translation !! it was meant to be 20 minutes before birdcage reaches the massacre level !

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

"Problem however is that as explained in the manga, there is a limit in haki for any individual."

"That means that no matter how huge Luffy's development will be, his G4 mode will always be dependent on his level of haki"

So you want him to ignore the laws of the OP universe or something and have unlimited haki ?

Its called balance and progression over time as ★Vandenre1ch stated "2 drained Luffy's stamina. He's now using G2 24/7

G3 overstretched Luffy's body so when it wears off, his body contracys, shrinks and loses its ability to stretch"

You want luffy to be op and have no drawbacks

 

[Punk Hazard]

There's nothing weird about it. His power-up has a,drawback, and Haki is a factor. There's nothing wrong with the G4 drawback being their forever. Just decreased as his skill and power increases.

 

[Professor Verde]

Well like you said it was the Haki quantity that kept Luffy's shape in check and not the Haki quality.

Meaning that luffy needs to train on maintaining that quantity of Haki for a long period of time. But if you look back at Luffy's previous battles, he already expended a decent pint of Haki already.

So that's not the best he can do, it just happened to be the situation.
Gear 2-3 also had this similar problem, but growth allowed him to keep his gears longer and stronger everytime he used it.

And lastly you already mentioned animals that would tank kong gun low diff and they were probably not the strongest animals.
He still had several months to conquer all the animals stronger than kong gun. That means Gear 4 isn't the only thing luffy has in his moveset.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Heres my prediction on G5 ....
G4 consumes haki
G5 will consume his life force ( a bit like super saiyan )

Gear second Already does that so No.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Why are u saying its weird it was obvious from the start that g4 will be based on haki and g5 will be on awakening if anything is weird then its g3 bcoz u can expand your stomach by inhaling too much air but u can't xpand your hand or legs.

 

[TRE MERCER]

IMO every time that a major power up is introduced (in general), there should be a limit on it in order to prevent spanning that power 24/7. It's the same case for gear 4.

P.n : just to point out the 20 minutes mentioned in that chapter had a misunderstanding translation !! it was meant to be 20 minutes before birdcage reaches the massacre level !

This also after awhile Luffy stopped shrinking after he uses G3.​