Something that didn't add up to me regarding Suigetsu, Sasuke and the Uzumaki Scroll

What do you think is the answer?

  • Suigetsu knew the Hokages' souls were sealed inside Shiki Fuujin but didn't know they were TOWKE

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • The Uzumaki Scroll contained more information how to unseal the Reaper

    Votes: 6 33.3%
  • Suigetsu was just being his "unintelligent" self.

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • Plothole

    Votes: 7 38.9%

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We know that Suigetsu read the Uzumaki Scroll before he gave it to Sasuke:

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And we find out later that the information in it is the unsealing of the Shiki Fuujin:

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And yet Suigetsu said they could rule the world with it:

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We could assume that what he meant was having the control of the Edo Hokages would make them rule the world

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He didn't even know who was contained in the Shiki Fuujin, another thing is who among them will be the sacrifice to die to unseal the Reaper? and lastly, even if they did unseal the Reaper and freed the Hokages' souls they would still need to learn how to perform Edo Tensei to make use of them.

So the only resolution to this anomalous statement is:

1. Suigetsu knew the Hokages' souls were sealed inside Shiki Fuujin but didn't know they were "The Ones Who Know Everything"

2. The Uzumaki Scroll contained more than just the info. on how to unseal the Reaper

3. Suigetsu was just being his "unintelligent" self/ Possible Plothole.


Another thing that piqued my interest was concerning Drapshin's theory that the Uzumaki Scroll could possibly contain the jutsu to become a Jinchuuriki, so according to him, Sasuke may in fact be planning on becoming the Juubi's Jin. Though there's still the question of his capacity to become one since Sasuke doesn't have Senju DNA like Obito and Madara does.

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Hmm, it's a mystery to me. I think more or less most of what we've been shown in the War Arc and Juubi Revival Arc is just to push the plot along.

The scroll containing the way to becoming the Juubi's Jin? Did Orochimaru some how discover this and write that down on the scroll? Or was that just a simple Uzumaki Scroll with instructions on how to seal large quantities of chakra inside you, such as Bijuu?

The Suigetsu thing not understanding is most likely just another plot hole, though. Unsure on the latter part.
 

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Hmm, it's a mystery to me. I think more or less most of what we've been shown in the War Arc and Juubi Revival Arc is just to push the plot along.

The scroll containing the way to becoming the Juubi's Jin? Did Orochimaru some how discover this and write that down on the scroll? Or was that just a simple Uzumaki Scroll with instructions on how to seal large quantities of chakra inside you, such as Bijuu?

The Suigetsu thing not understanding is most likely just another plot hole, though. Unsure on the latter part.

I don't think Orochimaru wrote that scroll, most probably he found it while searching the Ruins of Uzushiogakure (which he did after losing his arms) As for Suigetsu's statements, it's either a mystery or a plothole.
 

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I'll go with option 1. He knew the Hokages were sealed but he didn't know they were the ones who knew everything because he didn't know what Sasuke was really referring to. To Sasuke, the Hokages were the ones that knew everything because they had the answers to his questions like what is a clan, a village, a shinobi, etc.
 

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Sir Derp Obito makes me rethink why I read Naruto, again !

Nice job
 

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I'll go with option 1. He knew the Hokages were sealed but he didn't know they were the ones who knew everything because he didn't know what Sasuke was really referring to. To Sasuke, the Hokages were the ones that knew everything because they had the answers to his questions like what is a clan, a village, a shinobi, etc.

Yes that seems to be the most probable answer to this anomaly, but how are they going to use the Hokages without Edo Tensei? do they even know how to perform Edo Tensei?
 

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This is what happens when you can't connect what the scroll was used for and what a character said about it.

4 Hokages = strongest warriors.

Unsealed = able to be resurrected

Resurrected = Under Sasuke's control

Under sasuke's control = World Domination.

Yes that seems to be the most probable answer to this anomaly, but how are they going to use the Hokages without Edo Tensei? do they even know how to perform Edo Tensei?
Sasuke knows the seals for Edo Tensei. ^_^.

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Yes that seems to be the most probable answer to this anomaly, but how are they going to use the Hokages without Edo Tensei? do they even know how to perform Edo Tensei?

It's Suigetsu Lol he was being unintelligent as well since he doesn't even know how to perform it. But I think he mentioned later in that chapter that Sasuke could try and learn to perform Edo Tensei.
 

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my thoughts are this Is like totally exciting and what not like a bible with monsters crawling inside like the training center on Final Fantasy VIII after the Garden Faculty let the monsters run loose all through Garden because Garden Master feels like Headmaster is gonna betray him. Conspiracy O__O

I think Sasuke much like Orochimaru and all of the baddies knew the tailed beasts were being collected and Sasuke was Tobi's last resort of being the Jinchuriki for the Juubi , but Orochimaru had already done research and looked into it.
Orochimaru wants to become the Juubi just like Madara & Obito so they could rule the globe. That's one of the reasons Tobi wanted Sasuke to trust him. He would want to get Sasuke to see things HIS way a little more than the Leaf's way.
Orochimaru gtg , but those are some of my thoughts...
Also Tobi could control a young revived Madara who if RinneTensei'd at this point would be just like his Edo self , but not Edo'd. Too strong for Obito to tame so the older Madara could still be controlled by Tobi if he was Jinchuriki and attached to the mazou.
 

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It's Suigetsu Lol he was being unintelligent as well since he doesn't even know how to perform it. But I think he mentioned later in that chapter that Sasuke could try and learn to perform Edo Tensei.

I think what Suigetsu said that even without Oro Sasuke could learn the Jutsu in the scroll by himself. And yes Suigetsu isn't exactly the smartest chip on the block. Lol
 

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This is what happens when you can't connect what the scroll was used for and what a character said about it.

4 Hokages = strongest warriors.

Unsealed = able to be resurrected

Resurrected = Under Sasuke's control

Under sasuke's control = World Domination.


Sasuke knows the seals for Edo Tensei. ^_^.

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That's for canceling Edo Tensei though.
 

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There is no way Sugetsu(name not important ) knew abotiu the hokages being sealed or that they knew everything & Yes it must be to be come the Jinchurikis host & it also can be Kishi messing up things again :cool:
 

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I think what Suigetsu said that even without Oro Sasuke could learn the Jutsu in the scroll by himself. And yes Suigetsu isn't exactly the smartest chip on the block. Lol

Yes that's what I meant Lol and Suigetsu has become more of a comic relief character more than anything else even though he's the main reason that the Hokages and Orochimaru are around since he's the one that found the scroll. Suigetsu is Narutoverse's savior :whip:
 

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It's most likely a plot hole.

And Sasuke becoming the Juubi's jin? Can't really see that happening. His body would implode from the sheer mass of Juubi's power
 

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It's most likely a plot hole.

And Sasuke becoming the Juubi's jin? Can't really see that happening. His body would implode from the sheer mass of Juubi's power
No, suigetsu wanted Sasuke to learn it, that was the whole reason they went to find him. However, Sasuke said only Orochimaru can do it.


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