blackstar9
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Yeah he warped his arm ....But he was aiming for his head!!!! Besides that kakashi has yet to one shot anybody . Lets not act like kakashi has ended fights with kamui before
Something Often Overlooked about Kakuzu's fight
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Prince Charles
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Are you forgetting the fact that kakashi was constantly moving while kamui was activated that was also a deciding factor.
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I acknowledged the fact that kakashi wasnt as proficient with kamui back then but due remember that was many chapters before he fought kakuzu im sure in all that time he probably got better with it. Even so with kakashi standing still and being Right in kakuzus face i find it hard to believe he would mess up considering how close he was to him and in a linear position and not moving when kakuzu restrained him with his hair strings.
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Kakashi mentioned using kamui when naruto and yamato first arrived . At that point kakuzu was not in his face . Had naruto and yamato not arrived . Who knows how the chain of events would have unfolded . You can point out parts earlier in the fight that you think he had the chance to use it . But kakashi himself told naruto he didnt plan to use it then . He said if you guys didnt come i would have had to use it . So even with kakashi use of kamui being better he has no shown the feat of one shotting an enemy . So its hard for me to say yeah kakashi one shots with kamui
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Doesnt really matter when kakashi chose when or when not to use it, fact is he still had it at his disposal, which could had im (100% sure) could had one shotted kakuzu giving the moment that kakashi was referring to when he was talking to naruto.[
How does it not matter?! The fact he had no time to use it is proof enough that he couldn't....the only time he had a chance of using it was when Kakuzu was hit with Hidan's move. At the same time, he had tendrils plugged into his heart causing him severe pain. The only time he seemed to have a true oppurtunity to use it was with the fire blast...but it would only have absorbed the blast...something Kakuzu is easily capable of spamming.
One cannot be 100% sure the Kamui would one shot. It isn't like Kakuzu will just stand there. Kakuzu lived during the prime of the Uchiha, and would have at the very least been wary of Amaterasu....taking such an action, he's most likely refuse to hold still when Kakashi started spinning up a Kamui....I find it hard to believe he'd actually allow Kakashi to hit him in the face or chest causing a kill shot. Especially considering his speed and the surrounding environment. Also, his other Masks could easily place attacks on Kakashi bringing in a scenario similar to the Deidara chase.
That makes no sense whats so ever, shikamarus intentions were to get kakuzu's blood which he succeeded in doing so and trick hidan into using kakuzuas blood, shikamaru obviously had to know it would also damage kakuzu when hidan stabbed himself in the heart resulting in kakuzu getting damaged would result in ultimately helping kakashi.
Allow me to rephrase...the primary purpose of taking the blood was to trick Hidan. Shikamaru planted it on his face and acted as if he'd been cut as a way to get Hidan's guard down....now he could easily have used the blood of anything; however, using Kakuzu's blood was the best option because 1) He isn't using the blood of his team or himself, and 2) If Kakuzu wasn't dead by that time, it helps the team.
So obvioulsy it helped out Kakashi, but the whole point was to get Hidan's guard down.
your trolling right? kakashi was directly infront of kakuzu, basically right in his face before the blast even went off.[
I am not. Kakashi was right in front of Kakuzu yes. However imbetween Kakashi and Kakuzu was a wall of searing flame. Remember it took Yamato and Naruto to counter it....this would re-create the same scenarion as when Kakashi had used Kamui on Deidara's suicide bomb....could he see Deidara hide underground during the explosion?! NO he could not...all there was was a wall of flame. The same thing happened with Kakuzu's jutsu. How? I shall explain.
Kakashi mentions that if Naruto and Yamato hadn't shown up, he'd have had to use Kamui. However, up until that point he hadn't used it. This means the moment of using this jutsu that Kakashi refers to HAS to be during Kakuzu's gigantic Fire-Wind Blast at the trapped Kakashi, Ino, and Choji. Since Kakuzu had already released a torrent of Flame, it would be imbetween Kakuzu's body, and Kakashi....meaning that Kakashi would have to suck up the fire to protect the team before hitting Kakuzu....when it didn't kill them, Kakuzu would simply fire again, or just use more tendrils to inflict pain.
smh clearly you havent
I have indeed. The problem is that when it comes to analyzing a battle scenario, one will obviously view it from an angle that best suits the argument of the individual. As such, I will view and analyze all the moments where Kakashi would be unable to attack Kakuzu or use Kamui. At the same time, you view all the moments that it should work.
This just goes to show that the battle could have had so many different twists and turns. However, because Naruto shows up and has learned a new Jutsu, it is then time to show that jutsu in action, and hence the Rasenshuriken and Kakuzu's retard moment of falling for the same move twice.
Just because someone doesn't veiw the actions the same way as you doesn't mean they haven't analyzed correctly. It means they have made a different analysis...which is normal considering every human being is unique. It took analyzing all of Kakashi's opportunities to use Kamui successfully, and analyzing why they didn't happen for me to conclude why Kakuzu wasn't Kamui'd or why it did not work.
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]How does it not matter?! The fact he had no time to use it is proof enough that he couldn't....the only time he had a chance of using it was when Kakuzu was hit with Hidan's move. At the same time, he had tendrils plugged into his heart causing him severe pain. The only time he seemed to have a true oppurtunity to use it was with the fire blast...but it would only have absorbed the blast...something Kakuzu is easily capable of spamming.
One cannot be 100% sure the Kamui would one shot. It isn't like Kakuzu will just stand there. Kakuzu lived during the prime of the Uchiha, and would have at the very least been wary of Amaterasu....taking such an action, he's most likely refuse to hold still when Kakashi started spinning up a Kamui....I find it hard to believe he'd actually allow Kakashi to hit him in the face or chest causing a kill shot. Especially considering his speed and the surrounding environment. Also, his other Masks could easily place attacks on Kakashi bringing in a scenario similar to the Deidara chase.
That makes no sense whats so ever, shikamarus intentions were to get kakuzu's blood which he succeeded in doing so and trick hidan into using kakuzuas blood, shikamaru obviously had to know it would also damage kakuzu when hidan stabbed himself in the heart resulting in kakuzu getting damaged would result in ultimately helping kakashi.
Allow me to rephrase...the primary purpose of taking the blood was to trick Hidan. Shikamaru planted it on his face and acted as if he'd been cut as a way to get Hidan's guard down....now he could easily have used the blood of anything; however, using Kakuzu's blood was the best option because 1) He isn't using the blood of his team or himself, and 2) If Kakuzu wasn't dead by that time, it helps the team.
So obvioulsy it helped out Kakashi, but the whole point was to get Hidan's guard down.
your trolling right? kakashi was directly infront of kakuzu, basically right in his face before the blast even went off.[
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]I am not. Kakashi was right in front of Kakuzu yes. However imbetween Kakashi and Kakuzu was a wall of searing flame. Remember it took Yamato and Naruto to counter it....this would re-create the same scenarion as when Kakashi had used Kamui on Deidara's suicide bomb....could he see Deidara hide underground during the explosion?! NO he could not...all there was was a wall of flame. The same thing happened with Kakuzu's jutsu. How? I shall explain.
Kakashi mentions that if Naruto and Yamato hadn't shown up, he'd have had to use Kamui. However, up until that point he hadn't used it. This means the moment of using this jutsu that Kakashi refers to HAS to be during Kakuzu's gigantic Fire-Wind Blast at the trapped Kakashi, Ino, and Choji. Since Kakuzu had already released a torrent of Flame, it would be imbetween Kakuzu's body, and Kakashi....meaning that Kakashi would have to suck up the fire to protect the team before hitting Kakuzu....when it didn't kill them, Kakuzu would simply fire again, or just use more tendrils to inflict pain.
smh clearly you havent
I have indeed. The problem is that when it comes to analyzing a battle scenario, one will obviously view it from an angle that best suits the argument of the individual. As such, I will view and analyze all the moments where Kakashi would be unable to attack Kakuzu or use Kamui. At the same time, you view all the moments that it should work.
This just goes to show that the battle could have had so many different twists and turns. However, because Naruto shows up and has learned a new Jutsu, it is then time to show that jutsu in action, and hence the Rasenshuriken and Kakuzu's retard moment of falling for the same move twice.
Just because someone doesn't veiw the actions the same way as you doesn't mean they haven't analyzed correctly. It means they have made a different analysis...which is normal considering every human being is unique. It took analyzing all of Kakashi's opportunities to use Kamui successfully, and analyzing why they didn't happen for me to conclude why Kakuzu wasn't Kamui'd or why it did not work.
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How does it not matter?! The fact he had no time to use it is proof enough that he couldn't....the only time he had a chance of using it was when Kakuzu was hit with Hidan's move. At the same time, he had tendrils plugged into his heart causing him severe pain. The only time he seemed to have a true oppurtunity to use it was with the fire blast...but it would only have absorbed the blast...something Kakuzu is easily capable of spamming.
can you not read the scan i provided?
you say kamui would only absorb the blast but the scan i provide above clearly shown kakashi right infront of kakuzu and the blast is still preparing and hasnt gone off yet, i fail to how kamui would only absorb the blast when it was still preparing, those few moments before the blast didnt go off kakashi could had easily warped kakuzu.Manga fact
Allow me to rephrase...the primary purpose of taking the blood was to trick Hidan. Shikamaru planted it on his face and acted as if he'd been cut as a way to get Hidan's guard down....now he could easily have used the blood of anything; however, using Kakuzu's blood was the best option because 1) He isn't using the blood of his team or himself, and 2) If Kakuzu wasn't dead by that time, it helps the team.
So obvioulsy it helped out Kakashi, but the whole point was to get Hidan's guard down.
I dont see whats the problem here if we both agree in the end the blood of kakuzu that shikamaru managed to get still helped kakashi in the end.
I am not. Kakashi was right in front of Kakuzu yes. However imbetween Kakashi and Kakuzu was a wall of searing flame. Remember it took Yamato and Naruto to counter it....this would re-create the same scenarion as when Kakashi had used Kamui on Deidara's suicide bomb....could he see Deidara hide underground during the explosion?! NO he could not...all there was was a wall of flame. The same thing happened with Kakuzu's jutsu. How? I shall explain.
Kakashi mentions that if Naruto and Yamato hadn't shown up, he'd have had to use Kamui. However, up until that point he hadn't used it. This means the moment of using this jutsu that Kakashi refers to HAS to be during Kakuzu's gigantic Fire-Wind Blast at the trapped Kakashi, Ino, and Choji. Since Kakuzu had already released a torrent of Flame, it would be imbetween Kakuzu's body, and Kakashi....meaning that Kakashi would have to suck up the fire to protect the team before hitting Kakuzu when it didn't kill them, Kakuzu would simply fire again, or just use more tendrils to inflict pain.
you said this ''However imbetween Kakashi and Kakuzu was a wall of searing flame.
when this scan clearly makes that statement invalid.[
I have indeed. The problem is that when it comes to analyzing a battle scenario, one will obviously view it from an angle that best suits the argument of the individual. As such, I will view and analyze all the moments where Kakashi would be unable to attack Kakuzu or use Kamui. At the same time, you view all the moments that it should work.
This just goes to show that the battle could have had so many different twists and turns. However, because Naruto shows up and has learned a new Jutsu, it is then time to show that jutsu in action, and hence the Rasenshuriken and Kakuzu's retard moment of falling for the same move twice.
Just because someone doesn't veiw the actions the same way as you doesn't mean they haven't analyzed correctly. It means they have made a different analysis...which is normal considering every human being is unique. It took analyzing all of Kakashi's opportunities to use Kamui successfully, and analyzing why they didn't happen for me to conclude why Kakuzu wasn't Kamui'd or why it did not work.
look at the flashback by kakashi when his talking to naruto. [
this is the scan that kakashi is referring to.
the blast doesnt fully go off until this page.
hint hint the blast doesnt go off in full power hinting kakashi could had warped kakauzu and the blast since the blast hadnt came out fully which means it was still in the early stages of firing off.
can you not read the scan i provided?
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you say kamui would only absorb the blast but the scan i provide above clearly shown kakashi right infront of kakuzu and the blast is still preparing and hasnt gone off yet, i fail to how kamui would only absorb the blast when it was still preparing, those few moments before the blast didnt go off kakashi could had easily warped kakuzu.Manga fact
Allow me to rephrase...the primary purpose of taking the blood was to trick Hidan. Shikamaru planted it on his face and acted as if he'd been cut as a way to get Hidan's guard down....now he could easily have used the blood of anything; however, using Kakuzu's blood was the best option because 1) He isn't using the blood of his team or himself, and 2) If Kakuzu wasn't dead by that time, it helps the team.
So obvioulsy it helped out Kakashi, but the whole point was to get Hidan's guard down.
I dont see whats the problem here if we both agree in the end the blood of kakuzu that shikamaru managed to get still helped kakashi in the end.
I am not. Kakashi was right in front of Kakuzu yes. However imbetween Kakashi and Kakuzu was a wall of searing flame. Remember it took Yamato and Naruto to counter it....this would re-create the same scenarion as when Kakashi had used Kamui on Deidara's suicide bomb....could he see Deidara hide underground during the explosion?! NO he could not...all there was was a wall of flame. The same thing happened with Kakuzu's jutsu. How? I shall explain.
Kakashi mentions that if Naruto and Yamato hadn't shown up, he'd have had to use Kamui. However, up until that point he hadn't used it. This means the moment of using this jutsu that Kakashi refers to HAS to be during Kakuzu's gigantic Fire-Wind Blast at the trapped Kakashi, Ino, and Choji. Since Kakuzu had already released a torrent of Flame, it would be imbetween Kakuzu's body, and Kakashi....meaning that Kakashi would have to suck up the fire to protect the team before hitting Kakuzu when it didn't kill them, Kakuzu would simply fire again, or just use more tendrils to inflict pain.
you said this ''However imbetween Kakashi and Kakuzu was a wall of searing flame.
when this scan clearly makes that statement invalid.[
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]I have indeed. The problem is that when it comes to analyzing a battle scenario, one will obviously view it from an angle that best suits the argument of the individual. As such, I will view and analyze all the moments where Kakashi would be unable to attack Kakuzu or use Kamui. At the same time, you view all the moments that it should work.
This just goes to show that the battle could have had so many different twists and turns. However, because Naruto shows up and has learned a new Jutsu, it is then time to show that jutsu in action, and hence the Rasenshuriken and Kakuzu's retard moment of falling for the same move twice.
Just because someone doesn't veiw the actions the same way as you doesn't mean they haven't analyzed correctly. It means they have made a different analysis...which is normal considering every human being is unique. It took analyzing all of Kakashi's opportunities to use Kamui successfully, and analyzing why they didn't happen for me to conclude why Kakuzu wasn't Kamui'd or why it did not work.
look at the flashback by kakashi when his talking to naruto. [
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]this is the scan that kakashi is referring to.
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the blast doesnt fully go off until this page.
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hint hint the blast doesnt go off in full power hinting kakashi could had warped kakauzu and the blast since the blast hadnt came out fully which means it was still in the early stages of firing off.
BigGuns Reloaded
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Oh god .. Ok first off if you are trying to say that Zombie arc Kakshi beats Kakuzu .. you are extremely mistaken. U_U
Second, This was still around the time where Kamui took a hell of a long time too use
And since Kakshi was in a hospital bed for the whole arc after that, i doubt he had any training thus Kamui would of been useless due to the quick pace of the battle , regardless of when or where he had the opportunity to use it,
And if Kakashi could of used kamui in this scan you keep refering too
You obviously overestimate Early Kakashi's use of Kamui
Second, This was still around the time where Kamui took a hell of a long time too use
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And since Kakshi was in a hospital bed for the whole arc after that, i doubt he had any training thus Kamui would of been useless due to the quick pace of the battle , regardless of when or where he had the opportunity to use it,
And if Kakashi could of used kamui in this scan you keep refering too
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Why didn't he? He had absolutely no idea Naruto and Yamato were coming, by his rights they were about to die but yet he didn't use it,You obviously overestimate Early Kakashi's use of Kamui
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Prince Charles
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I went over everything you said in my other posts smh.. I thought kakuzu fans were better than this. xd its been fun debating though.
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If Kakuzu's hearts could one shot Kakashi then Kakashi's kamui could also one shot Kakuzu.
But it was a plot for the development of Naruto so Kakuzu lost to Naruto's RS instead of Kakashi's Kamui.
But it was a plot for the development of Naruto so Kakuzu lost to Naruto's RS instead of Kakashi's Kamui.
Except you didn't i read everything you had too say and not once did you explain both those things... and if you did you phrased it awfully U_U .. and you insult us but yet you have the most idiotic reasoning
And one last thing you are completely wrong .. If kakashi in the ramen shop were in fact talking about this exact scan
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Why the hell did he not use it??? He had no clue Naruto was coming to back him up .. so no he was not talking about that scan because again .. it took time to charge and in reality he simply let the opportunity pass by .. But i posted this in my last post ..hence why thats when you decided to make petty insults at me.. I used to think you were quite a reasonable guy.. but no i know you are just another immature person on the base :/.
Prince Charles
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Your free to think what you think about me, just note that i can simply careless.
Smh.. Kakashi was talking about that moment in the scan and he did not let a opportunity slip by, take the deidara moment, remember when the explosive goes off a tad bit but kakashi still manages to warp the clone and the explosive as its going off? This case is basically the same kakuzus blast is charging up and going off and going by kakashi he was going to warp the whole blast along with kakuzu until naruto stepped in.
Smh.. Kakashi was talking about that moment in the scan and he did not let a opportunity slip by, take the deidara moment, remember when the explosive goes off a tad bit but kakashi still manages to warp the clone and the explosive as its going off? This case is basically the same kakuzus blast is charging up and going off and going by kakashi he was going to warp the whole blast along with kakuzu until naruto stepped in.
TheEvilOne
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Wow.. Not even close the clone itself exploded .. so there was nothing left to Kamui behind the blast ..The trees were still left which were "behind the blast" ..
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Wow.. Not even close the clone itself exploded
thank you for stating the obvious.
like i said both situations are basically the same,
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I belive kakashi was going to do the same thing as he did with deiedara
but kakashi never Kamui'd something BEHIND the explosion your scan does not proove that it did whereas mine clearly shows that the trees BEHIND the explosion are still there ... So no Kakuzu would of been fine, And kakashi would of simply died of chakra exhaustion, ..So basically Kakuzu wins either way