Something Often Overlooked about Kakuzu's fight

[Zexion~]

Some people trolls mostly Post on Kakuzu v.s threads " pft Kakuzu got could not even take down kakashi without kamui , or "Pft Kakuzu Got trolled by base naruto"

First let me point out the fact that Kakashi was saved by the most plot induced timing in the series here ..

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And here

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But there is something else that is often looked .. Not only was Kakuzu basically toying with team ten and Kakashi .. he was doing this all without killing intent towards Kakashi ..

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He basically says that he has been trying to replace the heart he lost with kakashi's , Hence him firing his fire style from such a long distance that it would not be such a fatal blow

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he could of easily moved the fire heart to withing range... Yet he fired from so far away

It also is proven right here

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Where instead of simply finishing kakashi with some jutsu he decided to take the extra time in removing his heart..

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As for the reason for losing to base naruto .. One It was one of the biggest plot trolls in the series
Two Its a fairly simple reason really, He against naruto as well did not have killing intent .. He was trying to capture the Kyuubi Seeing as he was part of the Akatsuki .. Dont know why more people do not realize this

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Anywho the point is that not only was kakuzu keeping up with 7 of the leafs best shinobi he was doing it all without the intent to kill directly ..

**A lot of detail on a rather pointless thing but i was bored

 

[Haru70]

But dude... he got trolled by base Naruto. :erm: lol.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Yeah, Kakuzu gets underrated severely by some people. Naruto getting him with the RS was the single biggest troll of the manga in my opinion. Hes extremely OP

 

[Zexion~]

But dude... he got trolled by base Naruto. :erm: lol.

Hahahah :| .....lol

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Lol that's pretty true about Kakashi.....especially where Hidan uses the worst case of Shot to the Heart in the series....even more than what happened to Gray Fullbuster...Kakashi had Kamui then, but he was apparantly in too much pain to do anything about it.

About Naruto.....Kakuzu has the most combat experience in the Narutoverse....he's from Hashirama and Madara's time, but unlike them, he didn't die or stay stuck to the Gedo-Respirator....he fought. Considering 91 years of experience on top of an already impressive intellect (one that managed to survive Hashirama without Earth Grudge Fear)...it seems unlikely Kakuzu would fall for the same Kagebunshin ploy twice....not to mention twice in a row.

The Zukkaku fire blast was used as just a regular attack....I mean sure he could have moved or closer, but there wasn't much of a need considering the blast radius.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I enjoyed reading this, always nice to see unappreciated characters getting threads like this

 

[Zexion~]

Lol that's pretty true about Kakashi.....especially where Hidan uses the worst case of Shot to the Heart in the series....even more than what happened to Gray Fullbuster...Kakashi had Kamui then, but he was apparantly in too much pain to do anything about it.

About Naruto.....Kakuzu has the most combat experience in the Narutoverse....he's from Hashirama and Madara's time, but unlike them, he didn't die or stay stuck to the Gedo-Respirator....he fought. Considering 91 years of experience on top of an already impressive intellect (one that managed to survive Hashirama without Earth Grudge Fear)...it seems unlikely Kakuzu would fall for the same Kagebunshin ploy twice....not to mention twice in a row.

The Zukkaku fire blast was used as just a regular attack....I mean sure he could have moved or closer, but there wasn't much of a need considering the blast radius.

True but im just saying that attack would of been much deadlier had it been closer up .. because the attack itself is a small flame that immediatly enlarges after hitting solid ground .... so using it so far away is using it to less efficiency

 

[slaton02]

It was obvious Kakazu was stronger than anyone there. It took Kakashi,Shikamaru,Yamato,Naruto,and plot jutsu to take him down. I ws hoping Kishi would redeem himself with edo Kakuzu.....he didn't -_-

 

[Zexion~]

It was obvious Kakazu was stronger than anyone there. It took Kakashi,Shikamaru,Yamato,Naruto,and plot jutsu to take him down. I ws hoping Kishi would redeem himself with edo Kakuzu.....he didn't -_-

Lmao so true .. so true

 

[Kαmi]

Yeah it's pretty messed up that Kakuzu gets underrated for getting trolled in his fight. Anyone who beats Kakuzu has to be strong enough to do it 5 times. His experience makes him a smart fighter too but Kishi trolled him by making him rush Naruto after he said he should keep his distance.
Sasori is another ninja who gets underrated because of his only true fight that was shown in the manga like Kakuzu is underrated.

 

[Prince Charles]

I disagree, i acknowledge the fact that kakuzu was trying to capture kakashi's heart but at the same time in my opinion he was still being serious, did you forget the page where kakuzu restrains kakashi and ino and choji with his hair strings and is preparing a deadly blast using all his monsters elements? That blast could had easily killed them.[

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That scan negates your earlier topic regarding kakuzu not having Killing Intent when clearly that blast could had killed them since it would had been a direct hit.

I also disagree with your other comment about PLOT saving kakashi when kakuzu's heart was hurting, sure one can argue it happened at a convenient time for kakashi but do remember hidan was the reason behind kakuzu suddenly collapsing when hidan stabbed himself thats when the plan went into action so i hardly see how that was plot when hidan was the one that triggered it. [

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Again i disagree when you said it was plot that kakashi got saved when yamato and naruto stepped in, later on in the manga kakashi and naruto are talking, kakashi saids this time i didnt have to use the mangekyo sharigan he is referring to his kamui which could had one shotted kakuzu if he wanted to before naruto and yamato, here is the scan to back up my claim. [

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That scan proves kakashi could had used his kamui to warp the blast or simply warp kakuzu before naruto and yamato stepped in, so if anything plot was on kakuzus side from getting hit with a kamui.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kakuzu can be beaten by Taijutsu masters. ^_^.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Kakuzu can be beaten by Taijutsu masters. ^_^.

..How in the world do you figure taijutsu is his weakness?

 

[xjimbox]

I love kakazu and I feel like he had so much Potential but plot was against him...

 

[Prince Charles]

Btw by no means did i mean to R.I.P your thread, but you should put into more consideration of the circumstances and situation because plot wasnt helping kakashi by no means as i proved in my post. You also have to acknowledge the fact that kakashi wasnt using his full power either ( kamui ) which could had one shotted kakuzu as i proved in my First post regarding the scan with kakashi and naruto talking.

And @ the people that instantly agreed with the OP next time analyze the battle more.

 

[GrayParadise]

But dude... he got trolled by base Naruto. :erm: lol.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Btw by no means did i mean to R.I.P your thread, but you should put into more consideration of the circumstances and situation because plot wasnt helping kakashi by no means as i proved in my post. You also have to acknowledge the fact that kakashi wasnt using his full power either ( kamui ) which could had one shotted kakuzu as i proved in my First post regarding the scan with kakashi and naruto talking.

And @ the people that instantly agreed with the OP next time analyze the battle more.

However notice that Kakashi never had a real moment to truly use it.....when Kakuzu first had him pinned the drilling to his heart kept his eyes closed. If Kakashi was supposed to use Kamui that'd been the time to do so.

Using Kakuzu's blood wasn't set for the direct purpose of saving Kakashi...it was mostly meant to fool Hidan in order to give Shikamaru a chance to lop a head. It mattered not whether Kakuzu was alive or dead....it just happened to have the benefit of doing so.

Finally just before Naruto arrived, Kakashi 's Kamui would have only been able to block the flames and not Kakuzu (especially since Kakuzu had already fired). Considering he'd already been knocked around and used multiple Raikiri's, most likely that Kamui would have taken out Kakashi's remaining chakra....do remember this was back when one Raikiri and two Kamui's caused his death against Pain.

Finally, the OP mentions that Zukkaku was used st a further distance....the mask could easily have moved forwards more causing the blast to be closer and more damaging to Team Asuma and Kakashi; however, he let the mask keep distance and hit a place far in front of Kakashi in order for them to notice the flame spread before it expanded rapidly....as such its more holding back than actual killing intent

So when you say learn to analyze...I have learned to do so.

It was obvious Kakazu was stronger than anyone there. It took Kakashi,Shikamaru,Yamato,Naruto,and plot jutsu to take him down. I ws hoping Kishi would redeem himself with edo Kakuzu.....he didn't -_-

I think he was partially successful considering Kakuzu was the last person captured...and that wad with an elemental and numerical disadvantage! Bit yeah being beaten off panel was B.S.

Kakuzu can be beaten by Taijutsu masters. ^_^.

Doton: Domu gives Kakuzu Diamond hard skin....how the hell does Taijutsu beat that....in addition, Kakuzu stomped Kakashi while he was using a sharingan with Taijutsu....he's easily one of the more skilled Taijutsu users in the series. Finally, he can Mix Doton: Domu with taijutsu to have enough strength to blow down iron doors like its no big deal.

If anything Kakuzu is basically anti-taijutsu :/

 

[blackstar9]

Btw by no means did i mean to R.I.P your thread, but you should put into more consideration of the circumstances and situation because plot wasnt helping kakashi by no means as i proved in my post. You also have to acknowledge the fact that kakashi wasnt using his full power either ( kamui ) which could had one shotted kakuzu as i proved in my First post regarding the scan with kakashi and naruto talking.

And @ the people that instantly agreed with the OP next time analyze the battle more.

Sure kakashi was holding kamui in reserve . But he barely knew how to use it . And has yet to one shot anybody . No guarantee kamui would have won the fight . But i do agree with you that kakuzu wanted to kill them

 

[Prince Charles]

Sure kakashi was holding kamui in reserve . But he barely knew how to use it . And has yet to one shot anybody . No guarantee kamui would have won the fight . But i do agree with you that kakuzu wanted to kill them

kakashi barely knew how to use kamui? what kind of blasphemy is this? Im pretty sure he warped deidaras arms?[

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Better yet he even warped deidaras explosive clone.[

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But thanks for the agreement regarding kakuzu wanting to kill kakashi.

 

[Prince Charles]

@KBG KAKUZU
However notice that Kakashi never had a real moment to truly use it.....when Kakuzu first had him pinned the drilling to his heart kept his eyes closed. If Kakashi was supposed to use Kamui that'd been the time to do so.

Doesnt really matter when kakashi chose when or when not to use it, fact is he still had it at his disposal, which could had im (100% sure) could had one shotted kakuzu giving the moment that kakashi was referring to when he was talking to naruto.[

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Using Kakuzu's blood wasn't set for the direct purpose of saving Kakashi...it was mostly meant to fool Hidan in order to give Shikamaru a chance to lop a head. It mattered not whether Kakuzu was alive or dead....it just happened to have the benefit of doing so.

That makes no sense whats so ever, shikamarus intentions were to get kakuzu's blood which he succeeded in doing so and trick hidan into using kakuzuas blood, shikamaru obviously had to know it would also damage kakuzu when hidan stabbed himself in the heart resulting in kakuzu getting damaged would result in ultimately helping kakashi.

Finally just before Naruto arrived, Kakashi 's Kamui would have only been able to block the flames and not Kakuzu (especially since Kakuzu had already fired). Considering he'd already been knocked around and used multiple Raikiri's, most likely that Kamui would have taken out Kakashi's remaining chakra....do remember this was back when one Raikiri and two Kamui's caused his death against Pain.

your trolling right? kakashi was directly infront of kakuzu, basically right in his face before the blast even went off.[

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kakashi could had easily used kamui during those moments. It would had been a direct hit on kakuzu.

So when you say learn to analyze...I have learned to do so

smh clearly you havent.