something about FTG...

[Forbidden Technique]

You know how when you create a shadow clone, the original's chakra is linked to every clone? Well, it's possible that the seals seal a piece of the users chakra onto special material that can actually hold chakra. Then, with whatever thought or mechanism, they teleport to that source of chakra, because it's now linked to them like shadow clones are linked to the original. The fact they never disappear make them seem more like a seal since seals can only be removed by undoing the seal, whereas markings wear off... Take summoning jutsu, for example, the markings they create on the ground near instantly wear off once the beast is summoned.

I'm still unsure. It seems to me that they're are two different things

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[xxSAGExx]

I'm a minato Fan and all, and I keep seeing people claim Tobirama and Minato can "Mark the landscape" with markings to FTG to. Now, IMO, that's bullshit and makes no sense. FTG seals are like other seals and should require that the target have chakra (which the seal ties to) or that the target be special chakra absorbing paper(FTG kunai's, Seal scrolls, etc.).

I'm not going to stand up here and claim I know everything about minato. I don't study him up as much as people like Bogard, but can someone clarify if this is bullshit, or if this has actually been supported anywhere In the manga. I can't remember ever seeing anything remotely close to anyone placing any form of seal on a non-chakra based entity or special paper.

Where was is said Minato used special chakra absorbing paper for FTG? Or that sealing paper wasn't normal paper?

"The mark can be applied to almost any area through brief physical contact, including an opponent or some other surrounding feature.[3][4] Because this technique is able to affect anything that is in contact with the user or somehow connected to their chakra,[5] they can also use this technique to teleport other objects or people, such as when Minato used it to teleport Kurama out of Konohagakure, though the size of the object dictates the amount of chakra required.[6] As Minato also noted, the marking formula never disappears from a marked target."

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[Tobby17]

which location? You mean this

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It was already debated that it was minato using the FTG here. Tobirama's role was just to link them all to minato since you can't touch 2 people with 1 hand. The fact that they teleported infront sasuke(where minato teleported them in the first place) solidifies this. You'll probably bbring up the scan of minato saying he can't FTG to minato, but that's because naruto was never marked, and shinju drained all his Kyuubi chakra, the same Kyuubi chakra which was acting as a link for minato - hence minato no longer had his chakra linked to him to teleport him.

This isn't really proof...

@tobby17: you do know that tobirama marked obito 5 chapters prior, right...? You do also know that it was a clone holding that orb and the clone suicided, right...?

whenever Minato teleports, the Kunais are always shown, yet there was no kunai shown there. And after Tobirama's clone teleports to Obito, Tobirama's clone along with Obito both teleport again (you see it there at the last panel, they disappeared).

btw your argument about Minato not been able to teleport Naruto bcoz of Kyuubi's chakra only makes sense if Tobirama asked him if he could teleport Naruto out of danger, however the question was if he could teleport TO naruto which Minato replied that he couldn't because He (Minato) had run out of chakra

 

[AlphaScythian]

whenever Minato teleports, the Kunais are always shown, yet there was no kunai shown there. And after Tobirama's clone teleports to Obito, Tobirama's clone along with Obito both teleport again (you see it there at the last panel, they disappeared).

btw your argument about Minato not been able to teleport Naruto bcoz of Kyuubi's chakra only makes sense if Tobirama asked him if he could teleport Naruto out of danger, however the question was if he could teleport TO naruto which Minato replied that he couldn't because He (Minato) had run out of chakra

He couldnt teleport cuz naruto was surrounded by the trees as a prime reason. And i think minato's hand was around there where they teleported to XD

 

[AGoodBoy]

Where was is said Minato used special chakra absorbing paper for FTG? Or that sealing paper wasn't normal paper?

"The mark can be applied to almost any area through brief physical contact, including an opponent or some other surrounding feature.[3][4] Because this technique is able to affect anything that is in contact with the user or somehow connected to their chakra,[5] they can also use this technique to teleport other objects or people, such as when Minato used it to teleport Kurama out of Konohagakure, though the size of the object dictates the amount of chakra required.[6] As Minato also noted, the marking formula never disappears from a marked target."

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It was never stated. It's an assumption. For all I know paper in general is special. However, Paper is the only thing, apart from chakra-beings, in NV that can hold a seal. Therefore, I just assume the paper which holds seals are some special type of paper.

Naruto wiki is fanmade. For all you know I wrote that months ago and I'm now re-assessing it... It doesn't dispute what I'm saying considering the example there has a chakra being. Unless you can show me a stone with an FTG marking, or a tree, or anything like that, I'd say my point still stands.

whenever Minato teleports, the Kunais are always shown, yet there was no kunai shown there. And after Tobirama's clone teleports to Obito, Tobirama's clone along with Obito both teleport again (you see it there at the last panel, they disappeared).

btw your argument about Minato not been able to teleport Naruto bcoz of Kyuubi's chakra only makes sense if Tobirama asked him if he could teleport Naruto out of danger, however the question was if he could teleport TO naruto which Minato replied that he couldn't because He (Minato) had run out of chakra

Dude wtf? Maybe they teleported them to another clone? Maybe they didn't disappear? Who knows? Where else would tobirama even go? You're trying to claim he marked some stone somewhere in some non-existent time frame he had?

My argument applies both ways....... without his chakra being shared, naruto was unmarked. He couldn't teleport him away or teleport to him. Your argument that tobirama teleported them to an unmarked rock infront of sasuke makes no sense. You're even trying to bring up kunai like that changes something. Minato teleported the entire SA around 1 kunai. By your logic, they should have all been clustered in one mass orgy ontop of that 1 kunai, yet 10k+ shinobi were spread out nice and evenly. We even saw the kunai in front of Kiba, but now you need to see kunai at minato's feet when it has been proven time and time again that his FTG his a radius? For that matter do you even know if tobirama did

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? What you're trying to imply is that tobirama teleported without a marking, which makes less sense than a marking on a rock.

 

[Tobby17]

It was never stated. It's an assumption. For all I know paper in general is special. However, Paper is the only thing, apart from chakra-beings, in NV that can hold a seal. Therefore, I just assume the paper which holds seals are some special type of paper.

Naruto wiki is fanmade. For all you know I wrote that months ago and I'm now re-assessing it... It doesn't dispute what I'm saying considering the example there has a chakra being. Unless you can show me a stone with an FTG marking, or a tree, or anything like that, I'd say my point still stands.



Dude wtf? Maybe they teleported them to another clone? Maybe they didn't disappear? Who knows? Where else would tobirama even go? You're trying to claim he marked some stone somewhere in some non-existent time frame he had?

My argument applies both ways....... without his chakra being shared, naruto was unmarked. He couldn't teleport him away or teleport to him. Your argument that tobirama teleported them to an unmarked rock infront of sasuke makes no sense. You're even trying to bring up kunai like that changes something. Minato teleported the entire SA around 1 kunai. By your logic, they should have all been clustered in one mass orgy ontop of that 1 kunai, yet 10k+ shinobi were spread out nice and evenly. We even saw the kunai in front of Kiba, but now you need to see kunai at minato's feet when it has been proven time and time again that his FTG his a radius? For that matter do you even know if tobirama did

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? What you're trying to imply is that tobirama teleported without a marking, which makes less sense than a marking on a rock.

nope that's where your bs comes in, having your chakra connected to someone doesn't mean you can teleport to the person, it only means you can teleport the person.. But they did disappear as shown there and the next page you can see Tobirama and Obito totally segregated where the explosion takes place.. He did have a ''time frame'' I mean he had enough time to make a clone and sprint to where Minato, Sasuke etc were. So YES he did have time..

Nothing implies that you need a chakra absorbing medium to place ur FTG mark on

 

[KidGamer65]

There has to be a marking on his stone head otherwise he couldn't have teleported there. [

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There is no Kunai in sight so the only explanation is that the statue was marked.

 

[AlphaScythian]

There has to be a marking on his stone head otherwise he couldn't have teleported there. [

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There is no Kunai in sight so the only explanation is that the statue was marked.

I dont know. That black stripe to the left of his leg in 2nd scan looks like kunai to me.

 

[AGoodBoy]

nope that's where your bs comes in, having your chakra connected to someone doesn't mean you can teleport to the person, it only means you can teleport the person.. But they did disappear as shown there and the next page you can see Tobirama and Obito totally segregated where the explosion takes place.. He did have a ''time frame'' I mean he had enough time to make a clone and sprint to where Minato, Sasuke etc were. So YES he did have time..

Nothing implies that you need a chakra absorbing medium to place ur FTG mark on

Ok, let's for a second entertain the notion that tobirama FTG'd them. You're now basically claiming he FTG'd without markings. Can you find any markings anywhere near that spot?
Tobirama already witnessed minato using tagged kunai's, why didn't he just slap a tag on his kunai's and start tossing them for his own version of ftg v2?
why did minato place a kunai on that rock in the ocean? FTg seals never disappear, but that kunai could've somehow washed away; why not just slap a tag on the rock?
why did he have a kunai hanging on his string in his house? He shouldn't need to leave a kunai behind. Why not slap a tag on the house?

There has to be a marking on his stone head otherwise he couldn't have teleported there. [

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There is no Kunai in sight so the only explanation is that the statue was marked.

like alpha says, there looks to be a kunai there. Either way, the kunai doesn't need to be directly at his feet. It's been shown numerous times he has an FTG radius. If he slapped a tag on the hokage face, why not slap a tag on his house, instead of leaving the kunai behind?
why go through the trouble of putting paper on kunai instead of slapping the tags on directly? Paper can be removed right? but tags don't wear off. Putting paper on is counter productive if u can slap a tag on directly.
Why bother make special kunai? Just get normal kunai and slap the tags on them?

 

[Joshutsu]

I guess FTG isn't that broken if the people of the oh so invincible FTG have to result to 'mark the landscape' thing XD

I never thought about this but I guess you are right.

 

[ajpn920]

FTG is done with kunais. It weaknes is kunais. Minato is perfectly balanced for FTG, he doesnt have defense, he doesnt have strong offence, he's very adaptable for the plot thou (like for instance Bee has a mark on him and minato had random kunai at the ocean, yet fans came up with such load of BS about his foot speed =D)
There arent any, even at house minato used kunais not a formula on the wall. The rumor originated from that crawling marking minato used at kakashi chronicles.

LOL..

Minato is perfectly balanced for FTG, he doesnt have defense, he doesnt have strong offence

Space time barrier is his defense. A defense capable of tanking even Juubi's TBB..Every attack made by the enemy can be redirected back to them by the ST barrier thus making every attack his own attack. Principle similar to Aikido.

OT: he can mark the landscape. Minato uses markings or formula. Some called it seals. Either way it's right. That mark could be a seal sealing Minato's chakra into something he touches. There's no way for him to identify where he wants to go if there's no chakra involve in his mark. He is sealing his chakra to something he touches. This is the reason why he knows where to send TBBs. For example, he was able to redirect Kurama's TBB somewhere safe.

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The scan above shows that he has to pick a location that's safe enough to let that blast detonate. There's no way for him to figure out where to send it (somewhere safe) if his mark does not have his chakra. So, if he is just sealing his chakra then it makes sense that he can seal his chakra to a thing (living or not).

 

[xxSAGExx]

The only paper said to be special chakra paper were the ones Kakashi used to learn about Naruto's nature. The paper can't be chakra aborbed because if it absorbed the chakra then how can the tag last forever? It can't be absorbing the person's chakra because Obito didn't even know it was still on him and FTG is a S rank jutsu. Minato's chakra would have been absorbed from his Kunais long ago if that was true.

It looks more like the seal itself was made from his chakra and is like a tattoo, never goes away.

 

[AlphaScythian]

The scan above shows that he has to pick a location that's safe enough to let that blast detonate. There's no way for him to figure out where to send it (somewhere safe) if his mark does not have his chakra. So, if he is just sealing his chakra then it makes sense that he can seal his chakra to a thing (living or not).

No cuz a seal needs a chakra to draw on, the way you explain it is only good for one shot then own sealed chakra would be wasted just as he could only visit naruto once.

The barrier has many counters. namely attacks from various angles among other ninja battle arts lol.

 

[Tobby17]

Ok, let's for a second entertain the notion that tobirama FTG'd them. You're now basically claiming he FTG'd without markings. Can you find any markings anywhere near that spot?
Tobirama already witnessed minato using tagged kunai's, why didn't he just slap a tag on his kunai's and start tossing them for his own version of ftg v2?
why did minato place a kunai on that rock in the ocean? FTg seals never disappear, but that kunai could've somehow washed away; why not just slap a tag on the rock?
why did he have a kunai hanging on his string in his house? He shouldn't need to leave a kunai behind. Why not slap a tag on the house?



like alpha says, there looks to be a kunai there. Either way, the kunai doesn't need to be directly at his feet. It's been shown numerous times he has an FTG radius. If he slapped a tag on the hokage face, why not slap a tag on his house, instead of leaving the kunai behind?
why go through the trouble of putting paper on kunai instead of slapping the tags on directly? Paper can be removed right? but tags don't wear off. Putting paper on is counter productive if u can slap a tag on directly.
Why bother make special kunai? Just get normal kunai and slap the tags on them?

maybe there's a seal there and Kishi just didn't bother to show us??. And why will he want to do that, does he even know all of Minato's justu or FTG v2??.. Btw that's a very retarded question, are you somewhat implying that Tobirama has a mind of his own?..lol. uhm duh that would make him exactly the same as Minato so Kishi wouldn't do that obviously.lmao

And btw it's easier to just throw Kunais around that to have to physically tag them and take less time too

 

[AlphaScythian]

maybe there's a seal there and Kishi just didn't bother to show us??. And why will he want to do that, does he even know all of Minato's justu or FTG v2??.. Btw that's a very retarded question, are you somewhat implying that Tobirama has a mind of his own?..lol. uhm duh that would make him exactly the same as Minato so Kishi wouldn't do that obviously.lmao
And btw it's easier to just throw Kunais around that to have to physically tag them and take less time too

Its already countered. We have kunais in minato's house, at the ocean place, at the hokage head. It would be logically better to place a mark there if possible and not waste a battle needed kunai. Since it wasnt done so, there isnt a manga proof to state that its possible to mark anything else besides special kunais and chakra based entities quite the contrary.

 

[Tobby17]

Its already countered. We have kunais in minato's house, at the ocean place, at the hokage head. It would be logically better to place a mark there if possible and not waste a battle needed kunai. Since it wasnt done so, there isnt a manga proof to state that its possible to mark anything else besides special kunais and chakra based entities quite the contrary.

Ok, read chapter 627 again, Tobirama and Minato both teleported Hiruzen and Hashirama to the Hokages head statues, so how did Tobirama take Hashirama there if he didn't have a mark there already???.. And which Kunai did he use?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Ok, read chapter 627 again, Tobirama and Minato both teleported Hiruzen and Hashirama to the Hokages head statues, so how did Tobirama take Hashirama there if he didn't have a mark there already???.. And which Kunai did he use?

I dont know what your talking about? They got outside normally by foot, form the looks of it as besides hasirama's desire nothing indicates it was used.

 

[Tobby17]

I dont know what your talking about? They got outside normally by foot, form the looks of it as besides hasirama's desire nothing indicates it was used.

after they got outside, Tobirama placed his hand on Hashirama, then Minato placed his hand on Hiruzen and they all teleported to the hokage statues

 

[AlphaScythian]

after they got outside, Tobirama placed his hand on Hashirama, then Minato placed his hand on Hiruzen and they all teleported to the hokage statues

No they just jumped down where the faces were, you can tell by the lines indicating falling motion.

 

[ajpn920]

No cuz a seal needs a chakra to draw on, the way you explain it is only good for one shot then own sealed chakra would be wasted just as he could only visit naruto once.

The barrier has many counters. namely attacks from various angles among other ninja battle arts lol.

No. That's why his chakra is being sealed. When sealing his chakra for FTG, the seal/formula is used as his mark for going to a specific location. He is not using that chakra being sealed. It's like a lightning and a lightning rod. Same priciple. Btw, show it to me an attack that could come from various angles capable of penetrating ST barrier. It is called a barrier for a reason..Zzz