SO6P Never Liked Sasuke

[KesOnFire]

I agree

Itachi solos

 

[UchihaCamTro]

Itachi solo~

 

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And ... Itachi still remains very much dead.

 

[UltraPain]

And ... Itachi still remains very much dead.

Which is what makes his eyes' feats all the more impressive.

 

[Unbiased]

MS Sasuke is terribly faster than SM Naruto, who barely dodged the slower 3rd Raikage, and Sasuke was able to slip right under Ay. He has no counter to Amaterasu unless you thinking has Ay level speed, and without speed, it doesn't matter if you detect it. The multiple rasengan is not a feats nor something he would have the chakra for without Kurama. That happened inside his head. If I sit down and visualize, blowing up Russia, does it mean I can?

Sasuke has the superior summons too, due to being able to take to the sky. And Naruto has no counter to Tsukyomi, being that you have to consciously gather Nature energy.

MS Sasuke >= SM Naruto

Do you have scans showing MS sasuke is "terribly faster" then SM Naruto? The 3rd Raikage by the way, was the most powerful raikage. SM Naruto dodged him simply because SM allows him to detect anything and prepare for it at the last moment. Naruto also states he's faster then the Iron Clad Raikage in Sage Mode thus proving my point altogether.

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MS Sasuke wasn't even fast enough to avoid A's attacks and would of died it gaara had not intervened albeit at the cost of A's leg. By the way, A was reputed as being as fast as minato reaction speed wise. Considering his father was even more powerful, it only puts to rest your silly notion that Naruto can't dodge amaterasu based on Naruto in SM against the 3rd Raikage. The strongest shield and strongest attack. It's even understood later on in chapter 463 that gaara is the reason sasuke lived based on his interference. By the way, the fact that Sasuke's Chidori pierced A's Lightening Armor only shows how much weaker he is compared to the 3rd raikage who could tank a Rasen Shurriken like nobodies business, it only takes off his lightening shield. Even then I stated Naruto's Reaction timing + speed would be the factor here. His reaction timing has been shown in SM to be incredible.

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You don't need A's level of speed to dodge Amaterasu by the way. Did you forget the Itachi vs Sasuke fight? Curse mode 2 Sasuke had enough speed to dodge Amaterasu for quite some time and that was after breaking tsukuyomi and forcing itachi outside so he could perform kirin. Are you implying SM naruto is slower then CM2 Sasuke? Laughable lol. Here's what Black Zetsu (who is a part of Kaguya I might add) had to say about it. Also it has been stated that Amaterasu is a little burn by sasuke himself.

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Naruto gathered the Chakra needed for battle Kurama in his head in the physical realm. It was still his chakra the entire time. He even sneaks up under kurama and throws the Kurama with his own strength immediately following up with a rasen shurriken. This consumes the majority of the nine tails thus affirming that sasuke would be engulfed in one if it even exploded nearby. Don't forget it destroys things at a molecular level. Chakra isn't stopping that. Kurama someone who possesses the ability to regenerate was weakened to the point of being taken over by Naruto by a Rasen Shuriken. Sasuke's fire style will only improve Naruto's attack against Sasuke himself.

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Naruto's Summons are also able to take to the sky. Have you forgotten how high the toads can jump? In fact, the toads have gotten higher in the sky then sasuke and his summon ever have. So no his summon isn't superior. All 3 mount Myoboku Toads vs one Hawk. The toads very well may pose a threat to sussannoo with their size and combined attacks. Long range water style with taijutsu coming at them from every side.

Sage Energy is consistently flowing in Naruto's Yin and Yang chakra thus disrupting his chakra constantly. He is constantly balancing the ratio of his chakra thus any disruption would be immediately detected and disrupted. He's nearly impervious to any genjutsu like this excluding K.A. This really has never been disputed even by hardcore itachi fans. I can see why you 2014'ers are looked down upon with your unoriginal names and even outside of that you don't even post scans. The "take my word for it" generation I see...

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This is one, insanely laughable post. I love the fact how you completely ignored that Sasuke moved - once healed from his injuries as he was badly injured even before the skirmish stared - 6 times faster than Bee who hadn't even moved from point A to B in mid air yet:

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Bee acknowledges that Sasuke is not only faster than him using V1 Cloak, but he's faster than V1 Ae as well. It shouldn't come as a surprise, because despite having reflexes that are like "Flashes of Light", Sasuke not only dodged, but landed a hit on Ae in a single instance:

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Your image selection for that area is laughable, given that they have absolutely nothing to do with speed. Not to mention Gaara says explicitly that he stepped in to save Raikage. But no, he meant Sasuke and his poor speed:

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And by the way, KCM Naruto is much faster than SM Naruto and his face was smashed in many times by Raikage before that final dodge. Heck, even Bee stepped in more than once to save him:

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This makes V1 Ae and Bee canonically much faster than KCM Naruto, who was manhandled by just about everyone later on. In fact, Obito almost stood still to shame two of him. But no, Sasuke is even slower than SM Naruto despite his above feats.

So SM Naruto being faster than Hebi Sasuke even is fiction. Let alone anyone else. NB, never stop your stupidity.

 

[Unbiased]

This is one, insanely laughable post. I love the fact how you completely ignored that Sasuke moved - once healed from his injuries as he was badly injured even before the skirmish stared - 6 times faster than Bee who hadn't even moved from point A to B in mid air yet:

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Bee acknowledges that Sasuke is not only faster than him using V1 Cloak, but he's faster than V1 Ae as well. It shouldn't come as a surprise, because despite having reflexes that are like "Flashes of Light", Sasuke not only dodged, but landed a hit on Ae in a single instance:

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Your image selection for that area is laughable, given that they have absolutely nothing to do with speed. Not to mention Gaara says explicitly that he stepped in to save Raikage. But no, he meant Sasuke and his poor speed:

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And by the way, KCM Naruto is much faster than SM Naruto and his face was smashed in many times by Raikage before that final dodge. Heck, even Bee stepped in more than once to save him:

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This makes V1 Ae and Bee canonically much faster than KCM Naruto, who was manhandled by just about everyone later on. In fact, Obito almost stood still to shame two of him. But no, Sasuke is even slower than SM Naruto despite his above feats.

So SM Naruto being faster than Hebi Sasuke even is fiction. Let alone anyone else. NB, never stop your stupidity.

I have no idea if you're taking this seriously but I'll bite.

Bee compares Sasuke's dodge to A's dodge, he doesn't say it's the same. "Not since brother has anyone been able to deflect number 8". Please tell me where in that statement does he state sasuke is faster then A? It's a comparison with nothing more then you putting more guess work into it when the manga proved you wrong later. Sasuke ended up being significantly slower then A only landing a blow due to his sharingan.

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That's why he was forced to utilize an Enton shield but even then, A didn't care and wrecked sasuke. It's laughable you would try to think otherwise. Here he even states the Raikage is growing in speed and sasuke is shown looking the other direction while the raikage is behind him. Wonder why you left that out? Probably disproves your nonsense notion that Sasuke can even compete with the Raikage LOL.

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SM Naruto is still a sensor and is still able to detect an attack and wait till the very last moment as indicated with the most powerful raikage. He's shown this with Pain and the 3rd raikage with heavy emphasis.

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Look at how far Naruto is compared to Tsunade and look where the Asura Path is. Less then a foot away from tsunade and Naruto instantly appears and it's destroyed. The speed is already there at that range, it's a matter of perception which Naruto takes the cake at due to sage mode.

This photo should keep you quiet about the V1 A and Bee being faster then KCM Naruto.

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Now Bee was in V1 against Kisame and still ended up being too slow against him. Naruto in KCM was fast enough to catch him by surprise and Bee only saw a flash. Keep trying. NB never fails to have people show up from all corners and spout nonsense.

Oh and I'm still waiting to hear how Tsukuyomi works when your chakra is being disrupted consistently (if we are talking about naruto here and not made up land as you've been trying to do). Same goes for amaterasu as we all know it's able to be out ran and sensed. Same goes for Sussanooo as well. You're not suggesting anything less then PS is stronger then the kyuubi are you? You have to be more entertaining then that. SM Naruto was able to stand high over the kyuubi until his hatred got the best of him. Isn't that something Minato failed to do? Oh right Naruto had already surpassed Jiraiya and Minato at this point.

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[UltraPain]

lel wtf happened to my thread? This has nothing to do with Itachi.

 

[V h o]

Of course, even BZ remarks how itachi was better than sasuke.

 

[SatanicGod]

Are you joking with his Mangekyou Sharingan?

Amaterasu is something that can be sensed before it happens. Even with blaze release naruto in sage mode is a sensor.

Tsukuyomi is constantly disrupted due to the constant change of natural energy mixing with naruto's yin and yang.

Sussannoo while threatening isn't terrible overpowered. As Naruto has shown against Kurama, a consistent barrage of rasengan + rasen shurrikens will do the trick against any beast. That was against the kyuubi btw something rivaled only by PS as stated by Madara himself.

Kirin is the only threatening one and even then can Sasuke successfully target Naruto who has displayed greater dexterity then Pain in his battle with sage mode? His speed was so fast not even the rinnegan could keep up with him as he would utilize smoke or even just basic speed he was faster. It's really no contest just because Sage mode is too much even for MS. EMS though is a different story.

First off, do you know what dexterity means? It means skill with your hands... So Idk where you were going with that
Second, Naruto has Yin and Yang? I thought when he had SM he only has Yang...
Naruto doesn't have any feats of sensing specific chakra buildup in a target, the only people who have the feats of sensing Amaterasu before it launched was a JJ Obito and Kaguya...
Blaze Release would make it so that he could still catch Naruto if he were to dodge it, I say if because Naruto does tend to be linear when he does Rasengan, and Sasuke could simply use it while Naruto is rushing in with Rasengan, and using the heat from Amaterasu he could also be preparing for a Kirin Strike, Sasuke would have the element of surprise on his side since Naruto would have absolutely 0 Intel on Kirin, and unless Naruto can clear a whole mountain size of a distance in under 1/1000 of a second, he isn't evading Kirin...

 

[SenseiSama]

If it wasn't for Itachi, sasuke would be a nobody. Indra was a somebody without mooching off dead brothers body.

Indra's chakra was divided in half, only transmigrants with siblings of equal power could awaken EMS because EMS is essentially Indra's eye power, it's the reason only Madara and Sasuke awoke it, the odds of having a sibling with similar power were really low.

 

[SatanicGod]

I have no idea if you're taking this seriously but I'll bite.

Bee compares Sasuke's dodge to A's dodge, he doesn't say it's the same. "Not since brother has anyone been able to deflect number 8". Please tell me where in that statement does he state sasuke is faster then A? It's a comparison with nothing more then you putting more guess work into it when the manga proved you wrong later. Sasuke ended up being significantly slower then A only landing a blow due to his sharingan.

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That's why he was forced to utilize an Enton shield but even then, A didn't care and wrecked sasuke. It's laughable you would try to think otherwise. Here he even states the Raikage is growing in speed and sasuke is shown looking the other direction while the raikage is behind him. Wonder why you left that out? Probably disproves your nonsense notion that Sasuke can even compete with the Raikage LOL.

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SM Naruto is still a sensor and is still able to detect an attack and wait till the very last moment as indicated with the most powerful raikage. He's shown this with Pain and the 3rd raikage with heavy emphasis.

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Look at how far Naruto is compared to Tsunade and look where the Asura Path is. Less then a foot away from tsunade and Naruto instantly appears and it's destroyed. The speed is already there at that range, it's a matter of perception which Naruto takes the cake at due to sage mode.

This photo should keep you quiet about the V1 A and Bee being faster then KCM Naruto.

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Now Bee was in V1 against Kisame and still ended up being too slow against him. Naruto in KCM was fast enough to catch him by surprise and Bee only saw a flash. Keep trying. NB never fails to have people show up from all corners and spout nonsense.

Oh and I'm still waiting to hear how Tsukuyomi works when your chakra is being disrupted consistently (if we are talking about naruto here and not made up land as you've been trying to do). Same goes for amaterasu as we all know it's able to be out ran and sensed. Same goes for Sussanooo as well. You're not suggesting anything less then PS is stronger then the kyuubi are you? You have to be more entertaining then that. SM Naruto was able to stand high over the kyuubi until his hatred got the best of him. Isn't that something Minato failed to do? Oh right Naruto had already surpassed Jiraiya and Minato at this point.

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So because Sasuke utilized Sharingan that somehow takes away the feat?

That scan didn't even state that Raikage is getting faster, it said that his chakras are getting stronger...

Yeah he can detect attacks, BUT he can't see the chakra buildup like Obito or Kaguya did to see Amaterasu was inbound...

In the scan you posted, it could easily be seen as Naruto dashed towards Tsunade when it showed him going "...!" Because when most characters do that, they go into action right after, or its because they noticed something or even both... So no it wasn't instant

Oh wow Naruto caught up to a weakened Kisame give him a goddamn trophy :bdpf: I'm pretty sure Bee would be capable of the same feat, Naruto just has superior reflexes, which is already known and not in question here...

 

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Who Like Sasuke?

 

[Lia]

And I never liked SO6P

 

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I have no idea if you're taking this seriously but I'll bite.

Bee compares Sasuke's dodge to A's dodge, he doesn't say it's the same. "Not since brother has anyone been able to deflect number 8". Please tell me where in that statement does he state sasuke is faster then A? It's a comparison with nothing more then you putting more guess work into it when the manga proved you wrong later. Sasuke ended up being significantly slower then A only landing a blow due to his sharingan.

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That's why he was forced to utilize an Enton shield but even then, A didn't care and wrecked sasuke. It's laughable you would try to think otherwise. Here he even states the Raikage is growing in speed and sasuke is shown looking the other direction while the raikage is behind him. Wonder why you left that out? Probably disproves your nonsense notion that Sasuke can even compete with the Raikage LOL.

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SM Naruto is still a sensor and is still able to detect an attack and wait till the very last moment as indicated with the most powerful raikage. He's shown this with Pain and the 3rd raikage with heavy emphasis.

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Look at how far Naruto is compared to Tsunade and look where the Asura Path is. Less then a foot away from tsunade and Naruto instantly appears and it's destroyed. The speed is already there at that range, it's a matter of perception which Naruto takes the cake at due to sage mode.

This photo should keep you quiet about the V1 A and Bee being faster then KCM Naruto.

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Now Bee was in V1 against Kisame and still ended up being too slow against him. Naruto in KCM was fast enough to catch him by surprise and Bee only saw a flash. Keep trying. NB never fails to have people show up from all corners and spout nonsense.

Oh and I'm still waiting to hear how Tsukuyomi works when your chakra is being disrupted consistently (if we are talking about naruto here and not made up land as you've been trying to do). Same goes for amaterasu as we all know it's able to be out ran and sensed. Same goes for Sussanooo as well. You're not suggesting anything less then PS is stronger then the kyuubi are you? You have to be more entertaining then that. SM Naruto was able to stand high over the kyuubi until his hatred got the best of him. Isn't that something Minato failed to do? Oh right Naruto had already surpassed Jiraiya and Minato at this point.

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Are you seriously going with semantics or, god forbid, trying to teach me visual semantics? Don’t even tread there. It's petty what you're doing, you know that? He compared the dodge to V1 Raikage. Something that completely and absolutely hinges upon nothing but faster reflexes and speed. But that can’t possibly be about speed. That is something else. Good paradox. The guy moved six times faster in air than Bee in V1. But no, that isn’t speed, it’s something else. This sounds profoundly idiotic. Take note not to repeat it.

That’s what I dislike about Naruto’s slavish, high-end apologists. You people cannot read, wiggle around clear cut dialogues and create dots and imbecilic reasoning when there isn’t any. You are wrong, period. The scan is clear cut. Heck, even coloured lines are added to make even the most common of men understand. Unless you are even less common, then I suggest you drop this nonsense.

Only landing a blow due to his Sharingan, when we know since part one that Sharingan doesn’t enhance anything? Your counter-argument is pitifully redundant; I have seen it a million times. Why not say that Naruto only accomplished this and that because of Bijuu Chakra added enhancements? Or Senjutsu added enhancements? But obviously, you won’t do it. It goes against your absurd attempts. Where is your line to prove it? It isn’t in the manga. Wait, we should agree because you believe so? Sorry, but that isn’t good enough. It isn’t good at all. It’s fiction.

Chee got proven wrong. He said Sharingan couldn’t keep up. Yet Sasuke did that and more. Raikage in V1 couldn’t land a hit on Sasuke, not until his fingers were literally stuck inside his body. In fact, he praised Sasuke for even managing a hit. But looks like that slipped your notice. That makes Sasuke faster than him in his initial cloak. You don’t agree: a Naruto fan-yard making up excuses? What a surprise.

That is a pure and simple speed feat: Ae failed to hit him and Sasuke not only dodged but landed a hit as well. But that scan obviously shows that it wasn’t a speed feat at all. You proved literally nothing with that scan other than your own foolishness, as Minato’s best speed feats from his Hokage days are put to shame by Hebi Sasuke alone:

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You didn't post any speed feats:

A] The first feat I would like to bring up is in his battle against Deidara. In this scan, Deidara is just as big as Sasuke's head [1] and then he suddenly appears in front of Deidara, shocking him without the latter even realizing when Sasuke made the move. [2] He even commented on Sasuke's speed by stating ''He's fast!''.

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B] Sasuke is standing right bellow Deidara [1] and then suddenly he appears behind him. [2] Deidara has no idea when Sasuke got behind him and is shocked, barely escaping his attack.

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C)Sasuke and his team appear to be as big as the prisoner's arm [1] and then Sasuke suddenly appears behind him while cutting his chest open and both Karin and Suigetsu now seem a little smaller than Sasuke's head. [2] He covered such a distance in a blink of an eye and, delivered EIGHT slashes with his Katana.

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D) Deidara is forced to use Shī Tsū because he thinks that 'Sasuke's movements are definitely too fast'. [1] Please look at Deidara's size and the Dragon's size. [2] Now check out the size of the explosion. [3] Sasuke escaped the explosion and Deidara comments on his speed once again, saying 'Damn, he's fast!'. This feat has Sasuke covering more than about thrice the distance Minato covered here:

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E) Next, Sasuke appears to be half the size of Naruto's head. [1] Same can be said for Naruto. [2] Then suddenly Sasuke appears down, holding Naruto's shoulder and shocking him. [3] Yamato comments on his speed. Sasuke covered such a distance in a flash [4] while Sakura didn't even notice when he made the move given her comment. [5]

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G) Sasuke was also using 3T when he not only evaded Ae's murderous punch, but landed a clean hit on him as well. Something even KCM Naruto couldn't manage so many times. Even Bee had to step in for him:

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Look at KCM Naruto getting punched around like a rag-doll by comparison - the fastest guy in the manga:

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I have even added KCM Naruto’s laughable performance just for the heck of it. But no man, no. That isn’t speed. It’s all Sharingan:

Deidara states the guy is too fast – No, that’s just Sharingan.

Bee in V1 cloak states that Sasuke is fast enough to dodge; something only his brother has ever accomplished – No, that’s all Sharingan.

Mifune praises Sasuke for his speedy reflexes – No, that’s all Sharingan.

Madara does the same – No, that’s all Sharingan.

Sasuke outmaneuvered Ae – No, that’s all Sharingan.

Kishimoto puts in countless scans to literally prove to the readers that Sasuke is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to speed – No, he is wrong. It’s only Sharingan.

Nowhere in those scans does anyone even remotely imply anything you stated. You cannot even be taken seriously after the above line. It was that laughable. Also, that’s a V2 cloak. Your logic fumbles a lot, it seems. You cannot even tell the difference between two different versions, when the manga has met its end? Aren’t you good for a chuckle or two.

Even then, Raikage failed to hit Sasuke before he could coat himself with Enton despite using his top speed (V2 Version), dodged behind the Amaterasu flame – another lucky escape that was a given because of Sasuke poor line-of-sight -, and was spared from fatal harm because of Gaara’s timely intervention. He even mentions that. But not really, those are not speed feats. I hope there isn’t something really really wrong with your vision, man, because you sound loopy.

Sasuke left the fight with a minor bruise and Ae literally was saved by a miracle and lost half his arm. Reckt? Ah, preach that to your foolish choir. Some of us are unimpressed. Sasuke evaded and landed a hit on V1 Ae. The same Ae that smashed KCM Naruto down multiple times, even with Bee’s generous interventions. Nothing you would say would change that.

3rd Raikage? It’s funny how you think this guy even compares to Ae under V1 even. When The Mist Ninja prepped a balloon pretty much at point blank range and evaded him with ease along with Naruto in his grasp. All ninjas prepared Earth walls before he could even reach them. When Jugo landed a clean hit on Bee, the same guy who was being tossed around like a rag-doll in the hall. Yeah, great feat, haha.

Really? That Ashura path feat is tedious and boring and far from very impressive. Sasuke’s evasion of Deidara’s mines and blast beats it by a sizable margin. More than twice the distance easily as I showed above as the entire blast is not even on the panel. Sasuke exited all of it right without a scratch. I am not even slightly impressed. But, it's only Sharingan.

You want to see a feat? Immediately after acquiring the eyes, this is the distance Sasuke covers in less than a second:

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- No, but I apologize, man. That’s only the Sharingan. That isn’t the courtesy of his feet.

Really, is that all you have for me? A blitzing of a legless guy? Wow! Let’s all applaud Naruto and I should never question his feats again. Ever.

Here, let me refresh your memory on the actuality of things with KCM Naruto where people with FEET were involved who could actually move rather than be restricted by being almost literally stuck inside a sword:

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Tripped over a root (made by BZ) and couldn’t handle Black Zetsu. Chojuro did so:

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Look at his laughable performance against the Jins:

Couldn’t anticipate their attacks in their normal forms, almost every single time:

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- Look at Bee coming to his aid again. The guy just cannot catch a break, can he? Funny thing, he’s doing all that in base, only using partial transformation, and yet, Sasuke showed 6 times faster the reflexes once healed from his Itachi injuries on the battlefield, and he was under V1 Cloak to boot. But nah, it’s only Sharingan.

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- Couldn’t anticipate the second Jin and his foot smashed into the side of his jaw.
Couldn’t handle them in V2:

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Also, all Uchihas are speedsters. This shouldn’t even come as a surprise to anyone:

Couldn’t overcome or beat Itachi’s speed, even with Bee:

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Obito didn’t even move his legs and simply tossed the Gunbai up and the Rasangan exploded in KCM Naruto’s face:

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Look at Kakashi and Gai coming to his rescue. But he’s so fast and it’s only Sharingan:

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He easily handled two clones without even moving:

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Even at such a small range, Obito easily reacts and evades him:

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How many times did that super-fast guy - no one can ever compete with his speed and reflexes - got grabbed and manhandled, again - and an obligatory, because it was only Sharingan?

Look, SM Naruto, digging an embarrassing trench in the rocks when he got smacked down by a blind man:

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Nah, it’s only Sharingan. Even when blind, it's Sharingan.

In fact, Madara in base stabbed Hashirama about seven times when the latter was in SM and the former had fake eyes. You can count the number of rods in his back if you want to.

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Madara easily reacted to BM Naruto. In fact, he didn’t move much at all:

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But, it's all Sharingan. These guys not fast. These are not speed feats. Only Naruto ever has speed feats.

Kisame is faster than V1 or base Bee on land? Pass along the cheap bong you keep hitting all week. That’ll be great. I want you to prove this nonsensical trite, given that 1) Samehada moves on its own and thus defended Kisame on his own. It can be seen here as well:

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. 2) Adds pressure all on its own: Proven through Asuma incident.

3) It was only in water that Base Bee was slower. Even in water, cloaked Bee was faster than Kisame who grabbed him by using two hostages as bait. As for the rest:

1) Tsukuyomi cannot be broken by anyone other than Sasuke: Uchiha Blood plus body.
2) Amaterasu is fast enough that even Obito couldn’t turn on Intangibility and we’ll talking about MS days here.
3) PS is an overkill for KCM Naruto. Let alone any form below it.

 

[Berner]

no point in arguing with trolls.

sometimes you just gotta man up which is really hard on this site

 

[BLAZE]

He jelly dat Sauce has Soloking's eyes :bdpf: