So, who did Kabuto summon that we don't know about?

[CheesyNaruto]

How about ... "JIRAIYA"??? ...... i think it is jiraiya....

Why the hell would Madara be scared of Jiraiya? Madara is way out of his league.

 

[Mina..]

I think it's Izuna or real Madara (if this is not te real one)
in other way, it must me someone stonger then Tobi / Madara
o-o who would Madara be scared of?

 

[cruehead]

its narutos mum hell yeah

 

[CheesyNaruto]

its narutos mum hell yeah

FAIL

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

really? the 4ths ENTIRE soul... then who was it that re-sealed the fox during the pein fight?

*sigh* if kabuto summoned izuna he'd have his eyes. the summon doesn't even require the souls original body. so a body (with eyes) would be used and once the soul is put in it the corpse takes on the form of the soul, kekkei genkai and all, just like when oro summoned the 1st and hashirama was able to use his wood release in the fight vs the 3rd.

what would be the point of bringing J-man back? why bother hiding that from us? tobi knows how Edo Tensei works, why would he have that kind of reaction to J-man? the only reason tobi would react that way is if he didn't understand how it was possible. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, izuna, j-man, any of them would be easy for tobi to understand. considering our understanding of the jutsu the only limitations are skill, enough corpses to go around and access to souls. the first 2 of those are obviously met. the only one that would stump tobi is how kabuto has access to whatever soul is in that box. how would souls be unavailable? if they're alive and some people presume if they are sealed in the death seal (which for all we know could just take souls to where ever it is souls go when the people die. which would mean they could still be used for the Edo Tensei.) but i believe it's truly a seal and locks up the souls.

aaaaanyway.... i'm not saying it can't be J-man, it's definitely a possibility but i highly doubt it because 1. the way tobi reacted along with some of the things he said and 2. the way kishi is hiding it from us. i think the way everything adds up i think it's madara's soul... or what's left of it anyway.

i will say that i'm stump by tobi calling kabuto a "mad man"... IF it is madara in the box then i don't think "mad man" is a tobi-like reaction... is it utterly disturbing? is it ridiculously powerful (So6P)? is it world ending dangerous? i mean tobi did say that if he didn't join with kabuto that it was affect his military strength... we know tobi plans of reviving the 10tails and using it in his war... So6P defeated the 10tails in the first place... could that be what tobi was afraid of? DAMN IT KISHI!!!!!!

I didn't mean for this to be this long lol

Kakashi said that the fourth sealed some of his life-force into Naruto. Not soul.

 

[Kisamesama]

I know this has been mentioned before but I'd just like to throw my opinion out there.

I'm quite sure that it's the real Madara inside that coffin. While I have read multiple translations of the manga the common element in this scene is Kabuto's saying of something like "Don't worry, I haven't told anyone". To me this SCREAMS the real Madara.

I've thought for a long time that it was actually Obito who somehow managed to get out from under that rock and turn evil (sounds funny when you say it like that). I mean, there seem to be so many hints: the fact that his sharingan is on the right eye and he wears a mask over his right eye (seemingly to cover the unused eye socket), it also seems pertinent to mention the fact that both his eye and kakashi's eye deal with space and time. It seems like they are related and Obito would be the common element.

So the real Madara would seem likely in such a scenario...

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

The reason why i think SO6P is in the last coffin:

who else is stronger than itachi and nagato....
its not any of the hokages from the leaf because their souls are in the belly of the beast..
madara's brother isnt going to surpise madara that much..its more like a "woah, u brought my bother back? type reaction"
obito is a good guy...
orochimaru is not dead..
jiraiya (in my opinion) is not as bad ass as itachi or nagato..
he said, " u bastard, where did you get that" meaning, whoever it was madara didn't know his where abouts..which madara considering how old he is practically knows where everything is and was..(joking) but he knows a lot!
it has to be somebody legendary..and who else is legendary besides 1st kokage, madara, itachi, and nagato?? only SO6P...unless its somebody who was never introduced then idk. but i really think it is so6p...

It doesnt matter whether Obito is good or not. The first and second were good too. Didn't stop them from trying to **** Hiruzen up.

I really hate to re-explain this so everyone listen up.

Edo Tensei summons the souls of another being into a sacrificed body. That body can be ANYONE. Zaku and Kin who were the sound genin in the genin exams were used to bring back people as great as the FIRST and SECOND hokages. It does NOT matter if you bring back someone like Itachi and Itachi got his eyes taken out of his original body. That has NO bearing on the Edo Tensei, and Itachi will have his eyes back because it is not ITACHI'S BODY that they are bringing back, just his soul.

It does not matter WHOSE allegiance you have for the summoning to work. The first and second said that since Orochimaru summoned them, they'd have to fight the third. They said that THEMSELVES. I read the chapter recently but I am not going to dig it up. If you want proof, be my guest and find it yourselves. The seal that Orochimaru developed, that he put in their heads wiped their memories and made them killing machines. This was most likely done so they can fight at their full potential, but they still had to fight regardless.

It also does NOT matter whether or not you are sealed in the belly of the death god to be sealed. In both the anime AND manga, Orochimaru planned to summon the fourth. Whatever the fourth did inside of Naruto to block the nine-tails is not because of his soul, but he put his life force into it as stated by Kakashi. Plus, Orochimaru did not know this as far as we know, but he planned to summon the fourth anyway.

What I wonder is, if Orochimaru could use this jutsu, why didn't he just bring back the 1st, 2nd, and 4th and have his own little gang of people doing shit for him?

 

[UniversalPain]

that makes alot of sense. but to me it would also fit if it were izuna because wouldnt it make more sense if izuna and madara just switched eyes and both obtain the ems?

 

[Konoha Rokudaime]

It has to be Izuna. He was the only one who was at par with Madara. Madara's body and Obito's body have nothing to do with the one in the coffin.

 

[db3st]

It doesnt matter whether Obito is good or not. The first and second were good too. Didn't stop them from trying to **** Hiruzen up.

I really hate to re-explain this so everyone listen up.

Edo Tensei summons the souls of another being into a sacrificed body. That body can be ANYONE. Zaku and Kin who were the sound genin in the genin exams were used to bring back people as great as the FIRST and SECOND hokages. It does NOT matter if you bring back someone like Itachi and Itachi got his eyes taken out of his original body. That has NO bearing on the Edo Tensei, and Itachi will have his eyes back because it is not ITACHI'S BODY that they are bringing back, just his soul.

It does not matter WHOSE allegiance you have for the summoning to work. The first and second said that since Orochimaru summoned them, they'd have to fight the third. They said that THEMSELVES. I read the chapter recently but I am not going to dig it up. If you want proof, be my guest and find it yourselves. The seal that Orochimaru developed, that he put in their heads wiped their memories and made them killing machines. This was most likely done so they can fight at their full potential, but they still had to fight regardless.

It also does NOT matter whether or not you are sealed in the belly of the death god to be sealed. In both the anime AND manga, Orochimaru planned to summon the fourth. Whatever the fourth did inside of Naruto to block the nine-tails is not because of his soul, but he put his life force into it as stated by Kakashi. Plus, Orochimaru did not know this as far as we know, but he planned to summon the fourth anyway.

What I wonder is, if Orochimaru could use this jutsu, why didn't he just bring back the 1st, 2nd, and 4th and have his own little gang of people doing shit for him?

o yea, haha. i forgot..

 

[-Mugen-]

Maybe he summuned himself.LOL
Just kidding.Well If he said that he serpassed the other users than that means he made the jutsu better.Maybe he learned a way to summon people that are still alive.

 

[-Mugen-]

Maybe he summuned himself.LOL
Just kidding.Well If he said that he serpassed the other users than that means he made the jutsu better.Maybe he learned a way to summon people that are still alive.

I think that tobi is madara with his real body and kabuto upgraded the jutsu and summened madara even though he is alive

 

[zagubus]

Kakashi said that the fourth sealed some of his life-force into Naruto. Not soul.

I'm not sure i see a difference between life-force and soul in this manga. to me life-force is energy but what we saw in naruto was not just energy. the minato we saw in naruto had a consciousness. i think in this manga life-force and soul are the same thing. we're talking about the guy that created the death god seal. minato obviously studied and understood more about death and souls than ordinary people. i think if anyone could figure out how to split their soul/life-force in to two parts it would be him. all i'm saying is that it's possible.

 

[what a drag]

tobi will not be affected if the body in the casket is the SO6P, i mean tobi will just say 'who cares if everybody will know that it is SO6P'..what will greatly affect him is the fact that he is hiding something(why the hell hiding in a mask???) to the whole narutoverse that he in fact is not really madara..the body inside the coffin is obviously the real madara from the statement of kabuto himself "Relax, i havent told anybody" coz if kabuto tells it to anyone, his plan of taking sasuke will be ruin as tobi might attack him..kabuto is so smart that he tamed tobi to win sasuke coz he knows tobi is not madara after all.....what a revelation!!!

 

[AtrumAliger]

XD I just spent quite a while reading this thread, and i think iv gathered up enough clues to figer this one out. *dons a Shirlock Holmes costume, pipe and all* well, first and formost, its become painfully clear that "Tobi" is obito. its common for people to know, if you dont remeber, that tobi is what you get when you repeat obito. "obi'tobi'to". and, as yurned to light earlier, tobis mask. its only shown a few times, but he is 'reaaaaaaaaaly' scared. from what, i ask? well, gentalmen, from rocks. the hole is showing his good eye, and the other side is covering up the one that he gave to you know who. not to mention, like i said, because its alredy been mentioned, both kakashi and tobi share a linked power; space and time. now, i agree with what most people on this thread have been saying, something that hadent even ocured to me till i read it; Kabuto summoned the real madara. now, there is a lot to support my thery, and little to say other wise. aaaaaaaaaand theres a lot of ways for this to be possabloe. maybe, just maybe, obitos body was used by someone to be made into madara some how. maybe he was brain washed, maybe something else. (i would say its because of the sumoning jutsu that kabuto used into obitos body, but his hair is too much like obitos, and he still has his personality... a bit. and the scars.) but, im favoring the thery that its madaras true self. and that tobi is obito, cause he even knew plenty about kakashis abilty, even stating that it wouldnt work on him. xD painfully clear. lol. so, yeah.

another thing, madara was a shell of his former self. maybe he sacrificed a piece of his soul to tranceplant the rest of himself into the young sharingon user. @.@ theres a few holes in the threy, but im sure the manga will cover thoughs when the time comes. and at page 6 of chapter 490, kabuto says something...

"i expected nothing less of Uchiha Madara... your a different sort all together."

is this a hint? and madaras reaction. calling him a cheeky brat. xD i think they hinted at the fact that tobi =/= the real madara.


((ps, try to read hrew the spelling errors. lawl.))

 

[CheesyNaruto]

XD I just spent quite a while reading this thread, and i think iv gathered up enough clues to figer this one out. *dons a Shirlock Holmes costume, pipe and all* well, first and formost, its become painfully clear that "Tobi" is obito. its common for people to know, if you dont remeber, that tobi is what you get when you repeat obito. "obi'tobi'to". and, as yurned to light earlier, tobis mask. its only shown a few times, but he is 'reaaaaaaaaaly' scared. from what, i ask? well, gentalmen, from rocks. the hole is showing his good eye, and the other side is covering up the one that he gave to you know who. not to mention, like i said, because its alredy been mentioned, both kakashi and tobi share a linked power; space and time. now, i agree with what most people on this thread have been saying, something that hadent even ocured to me till i read it; Kabuto summoned the real madara. now, there is a lot to support my thery, and little to say other wise. aaaaaaaaaand theres a lot of ways for this to be possabloe. maybe, just maybe, obitos body was used by someone to be made into madara some how. maybe he was brain washed, maybe something else. (i would say its because of the sumoning jutsu that kabuto used into obitos body, but his hair is too much like obitos, and he still has his personality... a bit. and the scars.) but, im favoring the thery that its madaras true self. and that tobi is obito, cause he even knew plenty about kakashis abilty, even stating that it wouldnt work on him. xD painfully clear. lol. so, yeah.

another thing, madara was a shell of his former self. maybe he sacrificed a piece of his soul to tranceplant the rest of himself into the young sharingon user. @.@ theres a few holes in the threy, but im sure the manga will cover thoughs when the time comes. and at page 6 of chapter 490, kabuto says something...

"i expected nothing less of Uchiha Madara... your a different sort all together."

is this a hint? and madaras reaction. calling him a cheeky brat. xD i think they hinted at the fact that tobi =/= the real madara.


((ps, try to read hrew the spelling errors. lawl.))

Didn't you hear? Obito got crushed by a massive amount of earth, why would Obito still be alive? He couldn't move, and his whole right side was destroyed. And even if someone were to save him and fix him up, why would they want to?

 

[leenox]

He summoned Rick Roll.

haha kick a$$ man

 

[Zaji]

Good point. So it's mostly likely either SO6Ps, Izuna or 1st Hokage. Any other theories?

No no, the sage of the six paths is not posible, the body has to be clayed first in the exact same look as the summoned person when he died.

He is about thousants of years old. they could not even know how he looks, so it cant be the sage.
honostly its madara, becouse it is a secret, kabuto said "relax i haven't told a soul" this made me think of some other cleus.

1: you only see the right eye, this could fit both madara and obito.
2: Kakashi has obito's eye, the technique "madara" uses is almost the same but more developed.
3: this is a very important one, after sasuke killed danzo, karin said hes the same as... this could refer to the eye kakashi has, and she could mean "madara"with this, this would mean it is obito

altough i would not know why obito would be evil, maybe he's used, or his body? no id, honostly i think tobi/madara, is not actually madara.

sorry for my spelling and you can correct me if i forgot something or had something wrong.

 

[Nidaime08]

I also think that tobi is not the real madara and acctually obito
i think kabuto summoned the real madara somehow
was oro about to summon the fouth?
is that for sure or just what you think?

 

[D4NYankees]

Best bet would be that Kabuto summoned the real Madara and "Tobi" is Obito. The one eye is kinda obvious, also its probably just a coincidence but the word Tobi is in Obito lol.