If he doesn't counter with a Suiton near or equal to Bakufu Ranbu's power, then he gets his Suiton evaporated and he's burnt to a crisp. Firing a weak Suiton (In comparison) at a Strong Katon will only get your Suiton evaporated, what can't you tards understand about this?
Forget it. I have better things to do than explaining that part of a flame can be put out.
-BR doesn't require Kamui, where the hell did this nonsense come from?
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Do you see the difference? Cause everyone who has a decent pair of eyes should be able to see it. The idea of BR requiring Kamui is idiotic anyway. Why would a Katon require an MS technique that only adds an outward spin to it to function?
Good thing I'm patient.
1. Read the bolded part you yourself have written.
2. Look at the shape of BR
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3. BONUS: if you're stubborn, notice Obito's MS turned on on both this page and the one before that.
4. Try to claim once again that Kamui wasn't used for this. Bonus points for finding an excuse for BR's swirling. At least you'll amuse me.
Unless we're not speaking of base Kakashi. Then he'll send a bunshin to the other dimension and if Obito tries to phase through any attack, he's dead meat.
If he doesn't counter with a Suiton near or equal to Bakufu Ranbu's power, then he gets his Suiton evaporated and he's burnt to a crisp. Firing a weak Suiton (In comparison) at a Strong Katon will only get your Suiton evaporated, what can't you tards understand about this?
It's not hotter than any other Katon, I already explained this. Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon, Kakuzu's combination of Fuuton & Katon is hot but Obito's isn't. Those techniques would be hot enough to evaporate Suiton. Obito's Katon is just big so your idea of 'bigger Katon = hotter Katon hurr durr' makes no sense. Also, it was only allowed to get that big because there was nothing stopping it.
As soon as Kakashi's Suiton meets Obito's Katon, Obito's Katon will be extinguished. It's not that big when it's expelled from Obito's mouth so Kakashi will be able to match Obito's Katon. Once that's extinguished, that initial Katon's gone. Obito can carry on spitting out more Katon but the process of Obito's initial Katon being extinguished will repeat because Kakashi's Suiton will never evaporate. It possibly can't get as big as a Juubi sized Katon because Kakashi's Suiton will extinguish Obito's Katon, and if he decides to use more chakra to produce more Katon, it won't do him any good because Kakashi's Suiton will still be there.
Just to make sure I'm clear, Obito's Katon isn't instantly Juubi sized.
Good thing I'm patient.
1. Read the bolded part you yourself have written.
2. Look at the shape of BR
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3. BONUS: if you're stubborn, notice Obito's MS turned on on both this page and the one before that.
4. Try to claim once again that Kamui wasn't used for this. Bonus points for finding an excuse for BR's swirling. At least you'll amuse me. [/SPOILER]
This is bullshit. I swear, that is the only thing you Kakashi fanboys know how to spit out. Do you see the air swirling there? No. Well, sorry, buddy, the air would have been swirling if Obito was using Kamui. [
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That is just the shape of Obito's Katon and it doesn't matter if you like or not. This is where your arguments belong. [
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More like you can't, cause it makes no sense at all for him to only block the Katon with a weak Suiton when the damn manga clearly shows that the SA fodder had to equal Madara's Katon to block it...
Good thing I'm patient.
1. Read the bolded part you yourself have written.
2. Look at the shape of BR
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3. BONUS: if you're stubborn, notice Obito's MS being activated on both this page and the one before that.
4. Try to claim once again that Kamui wasn't used for this. Bonus points for finding an excuse for BR's swirling. At least you'll amuse me.
It being swirly by itself doesn't help your argument in the slightest, especially when we've already seen Kamui's influence and it looked like
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, not like how it did when he used it on the SA, meaning Kamui wasn't used there, its as simple as that and any retort you bring is null and void before what the manga has shown.
Obito's MS being active doesn't mean he was using Kamui at that exact moment. We've already seen what it looks like when Kamui is used with it.
Yeah, Kakashi has no counter to that.
Unless we're not speaking of base Kakashi. Then he'll send a bunshin to the other dimension and if Obito tries to phase through any attack, he's dead meat.
He needs to have a Bunshin warp into the dimension at the same exact spot Obito was at, while forcing Obito to phase into the Kamui dimension, at that very same spot just like the manga has shown every single time, otherwise the clone argument is moot. Kakashi can't pull this off by himself without Obito doing something about it, so Kamui rapes him.
This is bullshit. I swear, that is the only thing you Kakashi fanboys know how to spit out. Do you see the air swirling there? No. Well, sorry, buddy, the air would have been swirling if Obito was using Kamui. [
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That is just the shape of Obito's Katon and it doesn't matter if you like or not. This is where your arguments belong. [
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Lol, how stupid can one get?
It's obvious you don't see second RB's swirling at the first page:
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Because the view is zoomed in on Obito, unlike on this page:
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where we see a much larger area. If you cut out only the part around Obito's face, you'd also not see the swirl right next to his mouth.
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Seriously, the one posting bullshit here is you.
And you got me at "it's just the shape of the jutsu". *chuckle*
That's a damn weird coincidence, don't you think?
The pattern being swirling, just like if he used Kamui on it...
Obito having MS active when using the jutsu...
The only other instance of him using it being with Kamui...
Just like I said. Pure bullshit. That is not air swirling around Obito's face because then I guess Madara is using Kamui as well. Even with your second stupid argument, when we turn the page, you can clearly see that there is no air swirling and if Obito was using Kamui then his Katon wouldn't have taken a shape of a ball [The same shape of Madara's Katon]. It would have taken this shape. [
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More like you can't, cause it makes no sense at all for him to only block the Katon with a weak Suiton when the damn manga clearly shows that the SA fodder had to equal Madara's Katon to block it...
Maybe because... I dunno... the fodders were occupying a larger area than a single person would? Nah, that can't be it! :eww:
It being swirly by itself doesn't help your argument in the slightest, especially when we've already seen Kamui's influence and it looked like
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, not like how it did when he used it on the SA, meaning Kamui wasn't used there, its as simple as that and any retort you bring is null and void before what the manga has shown.
Oh, it does. Kamui is the only thing we know of that would cause such shape. When you blow air from your mouth, it normally doesn't start to swirl naturally. Yes, theoretically that could be the characteristic of the technique itself. Which is very unlikely, considering its similarity to a Kamui-enhanced katon, the fact Obito used Kamui first time to enhance it (why would he?), the fact Obito had MS active when using it, while for example, a second after using Kamui a few pages later he already turned to 3-tomoe
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Yes, all of this COULD be a coincidence. But sorry, it's as unlikely as Sakura having Slug SM at the moment.
He needs to have a Bunshin warp into the dimension at the same exact spot Obito was at, while forcing Obito to phase into the Kamui dimension, at that very same spot just like the manga has shown every single time, otherwise the clone argument is moot. Kakashi can't pull this off by himself without Obito doing something about it, so Kamui rapes him.
Not the exact same spot, just somewhere around it. It's not like Kakashi's clone can't move in the other dimension to attack Obito's body part if he sees it. It's even worse for Obito, because with him kamuing for example his chest, he won't be able to see or hear the attack in kamuiland coming, as his eyes and ears will be located in the normal dimension.
Considering that Madara has MS (the one allowing Kamui) active at this panel, considering his air is also swirling, and considering he used Kamui for this katon when he used it earlier, you might be right.
Oh, wait...
Even with your second stupid argument, when we turn the page, you can clearly see that there is no air swirling
Yeah, with the scale being so large that we can barely see Obito himself as a dot, I'm sure you can tell there is no swirling, especially when it becomes clearly visible once the flame is bigger. Gosh, what am I doing here?
and if Obito was using Kamui then his Katon wouldn't have taken a shape of a ball [The same shape of Madara's Katon].
That's my line, mr. Lucky Coincidence.
Obito used Kamui earlier for BR? GOTTA BE A COINCIDENCE.
Obito had MS active for the whole time when using BR the second time? And then turned it off shortly afterwards? GOTTA BE A COINCIDENCE.
BR has a swirling pattern just like it would if it was enhanced with Kamui? GOTTA BE A COINCIDENCE.
It's not hotter than any other Katon, I already explained this. Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon, Kakuzu's combination of Fuuton & Katon is hot but Obito's isn't. Those techniques would be hot enough to evaporate Suiton. Obito's Katon is just big so your idea of 'bigger Katon = hotter Katon hurr durr' makes no sense. Also, it was only allowed to get that big because there was nothing stopping it.
-We've already seen what Futon does to Katon when FRS collided with Amaterasu, it makes it bigger and that's all it has ever done in this series. Gonna need some proof that adding Fuuton makes it hotter when all it has done is make is bigger, before you spout any more BS.
Where did I ever say "Bigger Katon=Hotter Katon" oh wait, no where.
As soon as Kakashi's Suiton meets Obito's Katon, Obito's Katon will be extinguished. It's not that big when it's expelled from Obito's mouth so Kakashi will be able to match Obito's Katon. Once that's extinguished, that initial Katon's gone. Obito can carry on spitting out more Katon but the process of Obito's initial Katon being extinguished will repeat because Kakashi's Suiton will never evaporate. It possibly can't get as big as a Juubi sized Katon because Kakashi's Suiton will extinguish Obito's Katon, and if he decides to use more chakra to produce more Katon, it won't do him any good because Kakashi's Suiton will still be there.
This whole post assumes Obito is going to stand right in front of Kakashi while using Bakufu Rambu, which is a fat load of crap. If Obito gets distance then none of your counters are even valid.
He's not going to be able to even attempt this as he still needs to fire his own Suiton and it still has to reach Obito all before his Katon has come out, yet you really think that such a thing is feasible to begin with? lmao, just stop now.
Completely irrelevant. One of them couldn't do it alone because the Katon would overpower him, that's why everyone had to join to equal it. You can continue debating against manga facts though.
Oh, it does. Kamui is the only thing we know of that would cause such shape. When you blow air from your mouth, it normally doesn't start to swirl naturally. Yes, theoretically that could be the characteristic of the technique itself. Which is very unlikely, considering its similarity to a Kamui-enhanced katon, the fact Obito used Kamui first time to enhance it (why would he?), the fact Obito had MS active when using it, while for example, a second after using Kamui a few pages later he already turned to 3-tomoe
We've already seen a Kamui enhanced Katon, trying to say that the one used on SA is a Kamui enhanced Katon when we have clearly seen what one looks like (And it was different) is nothing but plain dishonesty and denial of what was clearly shown in the manga, but you can go ahead and deny manga facts.
Not the exact same spot, just somewhere around it. It's not like Kakashi's clone can't move in the other dimension to attack Obito's body part if he sees it. It's even worse for Obito, because with him kamuing for example his chest, he won't be able to see or hear the attack in kamuiland coming, as his eyes and ears will be located in the normal dimension.
Completely irrelevant. One of them couldn't do it alone because the Katon would overpower him, that's why everyone had to join to equal it. You can continue debating against manga facts though.
We've already seen a Kamui enhanced Katon, trying to say that the one used on SA is a Kamui enhanced Katon when we have clearly seen what one looks like (And it was different) is nothing but plain dishonesty and denial of what was clearly shown in the manga, but you can go ahead and deny manga facts.
I absolutely adore the way you say they are different because they look different. They freaking look different because we see the first technique from a close distance, while the second one from afar.
That's like saying that the one performing the second BR based on that page is not Obito, because Obito clearly doesn't look like a damn dot.
If that was possible then the stress of getting the timing correct wouldn't have been necessary.
The stress of getting the timing correct only happened in totally different circumstances - when Kakashi wanted to send Naruto's bunshin to the other dimension without Obito noticing - that way they were able to pull off the Kamui-Bijuudama-Rasengan combo to break Obito's mask. Kakashi was also really low on chakra already at this point, so he couldn't just create a clone and warp it himself.
In a one vs one with full intel, Kakashi either doesn't care if Obito sees what he's doing, or he'll create a bunshin without Obito noticing (like against Zabuza, like against Itachi, like against Itachi again, like against Pain, like his manga hype tells us he is capable of), in which case it's absolute game over for non-expecting Obito.
lmao, I'm getting this close to doing just this...Kakashi beating MS Obito is a joke let alone stomping him.
-We've already seen what Futon does to Katon when FRS collided with Amaterasu, it makes it bigger and that's all it has ever done in this series. Gonna need some proof that adding Fuuton makes it hotter when all it has done is make is bigger, before you spout any more BS.
Where did I ever say "Bigger Katon=Hotter Katon" oh wait, no where.
Wind provides oxygen. Oxygen makes fire hotter and bigger. This is basic logic and it's the same logic Kishi uses.
That's your entire point, that a bigger Katon will be able to evaporate Suiton. How does evaporation occur in the most simplest of terms? Heat.
This whole post assumes Obito is going to stand right in front of Kakashi while using Bakufu Rambu, which is a fat load of crap. If Obito gets distance then none of your counters are even valid.
He's not going to be able to even attempt this as he still needs to fire his own Suiton and it still has to reach Obito all before his Katon has come out, yet you really think that such a thing is feasible to begin with? lmao, just stop now.
The balls? He didn't get that large of a distance distance in a 3v2 and now in a 1v1, he's going to essentially run away from Kakashi to launch a Juubi-sized Katon? No one ever in this manga has been that far away in a 1v1. Haven't a clue what you've been reading.
lol, even though I made it so clear that Kakashi can still counter Obito's Katon after he's fired it, you said that?
Waits for AkatsukiChurch to get smart enough to realize that paths that can at any point be released by another person are not part of the arsenal of Obito.
I clearly said Rinnegan Obito, not Rinnegan Obito + Kabuto.
I absolutely adore the way you say they are different because they look different. They freaking look different because we see the first technique from a close distance, while the second one from afar.
That's like saying that the one performing the second BR based on that page is not Obito, because Obito clearly doesn't look like a damn dot.
Distance is irrelevant. The one used on Kakashi and Gai was much more spaced out than the one used on SA, which wasn't spaced out at all, because the latter wasn't used with Kamui while the former was. Like I said, all you are doing at this point is contesting manga facts.
The stress of getting the timing correct only happened in totally different circumstances - when Kakashi wanted to send Naruto's bunshin to the other dimension without Obito noticing - that way they were able to pull off the Kamui-Bijuudama-Rasengan combo to break Obito's mask. Kakashi was also really low on chakra already at this point, so he couldn't just create a clone and warp it himself.
That has nothing to do with what I said. You said they could simply move around in the Kamui dimension and find where Obito phased even though Naruto's clone could have done the same exact thing. Like I said, if this was possible, stressing the timing would have been irrelevant.
In a one vs one with full intel, Kakashi either doesn't care if Obito sees what he's doing, or he'll create a bunshin without Obito noticing (like against Zabuza, like against Itachi, like against Itachi again, like against Pain, like his manga hype tells us he is capable of), in which case it's absolute game over for non-expecting Obito.
Uh no. Without the above requirements, the clone strategy is a shit counter to Kamui, and will only lead to Kakashi wasting half of his chakra. Creating a clone without him knowing is useless as he doesn't need Kamui to finish off Kakashi, so he doesn't need to warp him away so he can't counter Kamui like that.
That's how it is. Kakashi takes MS Obito comfortably.
As for Rinnegan Obito, their chances would be pretty equal.
Waits for AkatsukiChurch to get smart enough to realize that paths that can at any point be released by another person are not part of the arsenal of Obito.
I clearly said Rinnegan Obito, not Rinnegan Obito + Kabuto.
Sorry, when Obito put those Chakura Recievers into those bodies, ownership passed onto him. They are a part of prime Rinnegan Obito's arsenal and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. I don't care about your fanboy scenario and your custom user title is nothing, but a mere lie.
I'm out of this thread because today I learned that debating with Kakashi fanboys is pointless.
Sorry, when Obito put those Chakura Recievers into those bodies, ownership passed onto him. They are a part of prime Rinnegan Obito's arsenal and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. I don't care about your fanboy scenario and your custom user title is nothing, but a mere lie.
I'm out of this thread because today I learned that debating with Kakashi fanboys is pointless.
What a load of crap.
Edo jin are edo and are summoned and unsummoned by Kabuto and Kabuto alone. They're not Obito's power however you'd love it to be so.
Yeah, it'll be better if you get out, since I've had enough of bullshit.
Hmm.. Madara and Hashirama. Most likely. BSM Naruto. Minato. Oh, Kakashi can maybe beat him too now that he's capable of escaping the Kamui dimension. That's the only version of Obito that Kakashi can possibly take in a one on one. (._.)
