So What's the deal kishimoto?

[FireBird Marco]

Throughout the 622 chapters the Senju clan has been hyped a lot, They're supposedly the strongest clan alongside the Uchia.
So, aside of Hashirama RNA and wood, do they not as a person "Hashirama" but as clan members, have counter to the uchia techs, such as susanoo, amaterasu, tsukoyomi?
We've seen that there's no clan in the manga which could counter any of Uchia booty techs.
But the Senju have been hailed to always go toe to toe with the Uchia, So What are their techs?
To be able to fight an Uchia head on, you must be extremely strong.

Is kishimoto going to poop on the Senju after 622 chapters as he'd done with all other non-uchia clans? Or he'll show us their anti-Uchia techs?


he needs to justify the reason for Senju being considered the strongest clan in a logical technical proper way , also why are the Senju called the Senju of the Forest? We haven't seen any Senju using wood aside of Hashirama???

 

[Ganta]

Only madara itachi and sasuke could use susanoo and all those mankegyo techs
So no they dont have a jutsu to counter it

 

[Roby]

Last time I checked Madara was the only Uchiha with Susanoo back in the old days. So Madara was 'The Hashirama' of Uchiha and rest were considered a fodder, well Izuna was somewhat okey since he also had MS that we know 100% of. Therefor Izuna = Tobirama and Madara = Hashirama and the rest of the clan were just regular Uchihas with 3t and Senju with insane chakras to outlast 3t Uchihas. Just wait and see, we are bound to see something abaut Hashis father and possible Madaras.

 

[FireBird Marco]

Only madara itachi and sasuke could use susanoo and all those mankegyo techs
So no they dont have a jutsu to counter it

So why were they considered the strongest then? And how did Hashirama beat EMS Madara twice, once without the fox and then with the Fox?
I mean he could've told us from the start that they are just another below uchia ordinary clan like the rest of the clans, no?

 

[Anorien16]

According to third databook Senju didnt have any specific skill set, each indivisual had their own speciality... for example Kota Senju was world famous for genjutsu, Tobirama mastered Suiton, S/T and mystical powers etc

 

[Sot viing hun]

Yes, so far it seems like Hashirama is the only ''special'' Senju, or at least the only one capable of fighting such monsters like the Uchiha, Kishimoto really needs to give them something so us readers can find it more believeable, but as we know the Mangekyou Sharingan was not a common thing within the Uchiha, so maybe this is the excuse.

About you question ''why are the Senju called the Senju of the Forest?'', my guess would be that they were a nomadic clan and lived throughout forests or something like that. Let's see how the story unfolds.

 

[FireBird Marco]

Last time I checked Madara was the only Uchiha with Susanoo back in the old days. So Madara was 'The Hashirama' of Uchiha and rest were considered a fodder, well Izuna was somewhat okey since he also had MS that we know 100% of. Therefor Izuna = Tobirama and Madara = Hashirama and the rest of the clan were just regular Uchihas with 3t and Senju with insane chakras to outlast 3t Uchihas. Just wait and see, we are bound to see something abaut Hashis father and possible Madaras.

But the so called insane chakra couldn't counter 3t genjutsu, sasuke got the fox under genjutsu back when he only had 3ts.
Also from the story of the constant clash between the younger son of the SO6P and the Elder one after the sage chose the younger, means that they should technically have the counter tech for uchia techs, no?

 

[Roby]

But the so called insane chakra couldn't counter 3t genjutsu, sasuke got the fox under genjutsu back when he only had 3ts.
Also from the story of the constant clash between the younger son of the SO6P and the Elder one after the sage chose the younger, means that they should technically have the counter tech for uchia techs, no?

Yes, and we haven't really seen any other Senju appart from 1st and 2nd up untill now. So just wait a little let the story progress, my gues is Kishi will now show entire history of Senju and Uchiha in form of Madara and Hashi growing up.

Forgot to add Tsunade to the list heh..

 

[FireBird Marco]

Yes, so far it seems like Hashirama is the only ''special'' Senju, or at least the only one capable of fighting such monsters like the Uchiha, Kishimoto really needs to give them something so us readers can find it more believeable, but as we know the Mangekyou Sharingan was not a common thing within the Uchiha, so maybe this is the excuse.

About you question ''why are the Senju called the Senju of the Forest?'', my guess would be that they were a nomadic clan and lived throughout forests or something like that. Let's see how the story unfolds.

Doesn't make no sense, are you telling that there hadn't been other Uchia with MS/EMS before Madara? that's stupid.

 

[xjimbox]

There were only two uchiha who has Thoes abilities madara and izuna. and don't we even know what izuna had... And madara hasn't shown Amaterasu or tsukyomi just susanoo. And I'm assuming that hashi mostly fought madara and tobirama most likely fought Izuna, And just because we haven't seen other senju fight doesn't mean there not strong... I'm sure the clan new who not to go against. Not every member of both clans were gods... They most likely strong and willing shinobi willing to die for their beliefs. The other clans that aren't mentioned are most likely not as strong seeing how they aren't brought up.

You gotta think before posting.... Lol and we have only seen bits and pieces of one senju fight give it some time....

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[Sot viing hun]

Doesn't make no sense, are you telling that there hadn't been other Uchia with MS/EMS before Madara? that's stupid.

It's not me who says it, If I remember correctly it was stated in the manga, if not kindly show me then.

 

[FireBird Marco]

Yes, and we haven't really seen any other Senju appart from 1st and 2nd up untill now. So just wait a little let the story progress, my gues is Kishi will now show entire history of Senju and Uchiha in form of Madara and Hashi growing up.

I don't care about Madra and Hashiram growing up. The Senju were always rivaling the Uchia back to the days of the SO6P.
If the clan was hailed as the strongest or one of the 2 strongest clans, then it means they should have techs to counter uchia techs with.

 

[FireBird Marco]

It's not me who says it, If I remember correctly it was stated in the manga, if not kindly show me then.

Manga never stated that.

 

[Sot viing hun]

Manga never stated that.

Let's see your insight about this then.

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[Roby]

I don't care about Madra and Hashiram growing up. The Senju were always rivaling the Uchia back to the days of the SO6P.
If the clan was hailed as the strongest or one of the 2 strongest clans, then it means they should have techs to counter uchia techs with.

You missed my point. While showing them growing up he will show Senju fight Uchiha and you will finally see why Senju were equal or even above Uchiha. What techs they used, how they used them, etc.

 

[nj tandi]

About teh Uchiha counters, as has been said, hardly any uchiha had those mangekyou techs.
And secondly, the Senju were called the Senju clan of the forest, maybe because they lived in the forest? huh?

 

[FireBird Marco]

Let's see your insight about this then.

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The elder son of the SO6P had his EMS at birth, and considering that the blood line thinned throughout generations means that the latter uchia were much weaker than the early generations.
Going by that scan, if the uchia have the MS/EMS, then senju to be considered the strongest should have counter to the MS/EMS.

 

[Sot viing hun]

The elder son of the SO6P had his EMS at birth, and considering that the blood line thinned throughout generations means that the latter uchia were much weaker than the early generations.
Going by that scan, if the uchia have the MS/EMS, then senju to be considered the strongest should have counter to the MS/EMS.

So your point is?, we don't even know if the elder son eyes were an EMS, you are just grasping at straws when the manga stated otherwise, do keep up if you want. The senju can at least equal them if we go by the manga.

 

[Lamborbiker]

Umm... Yeah, madara was the first uchiha to awaken the mangekyou sharingan, followed by izuna.
So yeah, senjus fought against 3t sharingans, so senjus only needed to counter sharingan genjutsu
and it's not impossible to do so, since daidara trained his eye to see through sharingan genjutsu.

 

[Twin Steps]

Sage Mode was probably their answer to the Sharingan.