[Discussion] So Tobi got rid of Son Goku...

[Kerrah]

In the latest chapter we see Tobi summon Gedo Mazo and suck up the four tails, but why did he do it? Let's recap on something.

Using the Rinnegan, the user can control a shared power between corpses. The user does this with thick black chakra rods that are stuck into the corpse, this let's the user share his/her Chakra and produce a shared vision between all the paths.

Now we all know Kabuto summoned the previous Jinchurikis using his Edo Tensei technique, this grants the user complete control over who he/she summons. Unless that corpse uses a technique to snap out of the control (Itachi)

Here's why my point comes in

It's obvious Naruto took out the chakra rod out of Son Goku's neck and attempted to free him from being controlled. But as we all found out the chakra chains still had him trapped in his own subconscious. And that he was still being controlled.

However, Tobi still summoned the Gedo Mazo and got Son Goku sucked up, even though he was in perfect condition and could still fight. Why? Because at the split moment Naruto took out the chakra rod, Tobi lost control of Son Goku. Since there is no chakra rod that will let Tobi channel his chakra to the Biju, he will loose the control, and Kabuto will come into place. Since he was the person that summoned Roshi, if the rod was to be taken out, It's the Edo Tensei technique that would submit to Kabuto's will.

Does that mean Kabuto has the upper hand against Tobi? It seemed like the fact that Son Goku was sucked up didn't matter to many people U_U

Please post your valuable comments

 

[Dupa]

Interesting points. And yes Kabuto is the one mainly running this whole war. I won't be surprised if his actions change the scale of the war completely. We still don't know his true intentions.

 

[XZA]

never thought about that O_O +rep

 

[Azztang]

Good point...or tobi wanted son gokus power in himself for a huge justus he wats to do.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Wow, never occured to me. +Rep.

 

[TonyMutu]

The Jinchurikis aren't resurrected by Kabuto. Their corpses are used just like Pain's. When Naruto got the steak out of Son Goku he wasn't controlled by Tobi, so he couldn't fight, but he was still imprisoned by him with the huge chakra chains. He just couldn't use him for battle anymore.

 

[Alphaqindyas]

Didn't think about that. Lol nice.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

I thought about that when it happened

 

[Kirin Rei]

Nuuu, I'll have to disgree.

Son Goku said that the chakra rod was used to bind him to the Jinchuuriki's body. Tobi was most probably not using Gedo Mazo to control the bijuu, Gedo Mazo was only a leash.
He was probably controlling the bijuu via their jinchuuriki, hence, the chakra rods. When Naruto destroyed the chakra rod, Tobi lost control over Son Goku. But Son Goku was still on a leash.

Hmm, I don't know if I could verse it correctly.
It's like, Tobi can still summon and unsummon Son Goku in and out of Gedo Mazo. But he has no control over his actions, because he was controlling the beasts' actions via the rod Naruto destroyed.

 

[Hipster Madara]

good job... didnt think of that

 

[Azztang]

Wait a minute...Naruto mother used chakra chains to help naruto controling kurama...and just before she died when naruto was born.,,weird..and tobi used them...maybe they connected somehow?

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

Nuuu, I'll have to disgree.

Son Goku said that the chakra rod was used to bind him to the Jinchuuriki's body. Tobi was most probably not using Gedo Mazo to control the bijuu, Gedo Mazo was only a leash.
He was probably controlling the bijuu via their jinchuuriki, hence, the chakra rods. When Naruto destroyed the chakra rod, Tobi lost control over Son Goku. But Son Goku was still on a leash.

Hmm, I don't know if I could verse it correctly.
It's like, Tobi can still summon and unsummon Son Goku in and out of Gedo Mazo. But he has no control over his actions, because he was controlling the beasts' actions via the rod Naruto destroyed.

I agree.
It's like when the 5 tails tried to attack Tobi. Only now, there was no way for Tobi to regain control (i.e. reverting the jin to an easier to control state). Since Naruto removed the rod, there was no way for Tobi to regain complete control over Son in the fight. So he summoned the Gedo Maze to absorb him back in, so Tobi wouldn't have to worry about Son Goku attacking him.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Megamkfan]

I likez your your thought.

 

[Kerrah]

The Jinchurikis aren't resurrected by Kabuto. Their corpses are used just like Pain's. When Naruto got the steak out of Son Goku he wasn't controlled by Tobi, so he couldn't fight, but he was still imprisoned by him with the huge chakra chains. He just couldn't use him for battle anymore.

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Then would you please care to venture as to why there are coffins behind them?

They were resurrected by Kabuto and then controlled by Tobi's chakra rods. If it was like Pain's bodies, then as soon as the chakra rods came out they would just fall to the floor.

Nuuu, I'll have to disgree.

Son Goku said that the chakra rod was used to bind him to the Jinchuuriki's body. Tobi was most probably not using Gedo Mazo to control the bijuu, Gedo Mazo was only a leash.
He was probably controlling the bijuu via their jinchuuriki, hence, the chakra rods. When Naruto destroyed the chakra rod, Tobi lost control over Son Goku. But Son Goku was still on a leash.

Hmm, I don't know if I could verse it correctly.
It's like, Tobi can still summon and unsummon Son Goku in and out of Gedo Mazo. But he has no control over his actions, because he was controlling the beasts' actions via the rod Naruto destroyed.

Yes, but that doesn't really come into context with what I was saying

I stated Tobi used the Gedo Mazo as a host for all the Biju's, since he would control them using the chakra rods, just like how Nagato controlled Pain's bodies. But when the chakra rod comes out Kabuto will be in control since he was the person that summoned the Jinchuriki in the first place

 

[Yo pappy]

However, Tobi still summoned the Gedo Mazo and got Son Goku sucked up, even though he was in perfect condition and could still fight. Why? Because at the split moment Naruto took out the chakra rod, Tobi lost control of Son Goku. Since there is no chakra rod that will let Tobi channel his chakra to the Biju, he will loose the control, and Kabuto will come into place.

Good point, but as we saw Son Goku was separated from it's jink at that moment so Kabuto taking over shouldn't have been a major concern. Maybe there's still something more to it, I think without the stake the chakra chains are only strong enough to contain the beast, not control it like a regular path. Seeing as the Five-Tails with the stake implanted AND the chains was still able to revolt, I think Tobi knew Son Goku would have freed himself if he let him stay out on the field for too long.

 

[Melizzle]

Nuuu, I'll have to disgree.

Son Goku said that the chakra rod was used to bind him to the Jinchuuriki's body. Tobi was most probably not using Gedo Mazo to control the bijuu, Gedo Mazo was only a leash.
He was probably controlling the bijuu via their jinchuuriki, hence, the chakra rods. When Naruto destroyed the chakra rod, Tobi lost control over Son Goku. But Son Goku was still on a leash.

Hmm, I don't know if I could verse it correctly.
It's like, Tobi can still summon and unsummon Son Goku in and out of Gedo Mazo. But he has no control over his actions, because he was controlling the beasts' actions via the rod Naruto destroyed.

I gotta agree with my girl again. This is what I took the scenario to mean.

 

[naruto sennin]

I didn't even consider that but it sounds very plausible. kabuto def is the muscle behind tobi's war.

 

[TonyMutu]

Ok my bad, but still i think it's very unlikely that Kabuto can control a Bijuu with Impure World Resurrection. It's just too much. I think that Tobi just couldn't use Son Goku anymore in battle, so he sealed him again, nothing more.

 

[Kerrah]

Ok my bad, but still i think it's very unlikely that Kabuto can control a Bijuu with Impure World Resurrection. It's just too much. I think that Tobi just couldn't use Son Goku anymore in battle, so he sealed him again, nothing more.

Yeah that makes sense, I just probably exaggerated the idea a bit

 

[Kirin Rei]

Yes, but that doesn't really come into context with what I was saying

I stated Tobi used the Gedo Mazo as a host for all the Biju's, since he would control them using the chakra rods, just like how Nagato controlled Pain's bodies. But when the chakra rod comes out Kabuto will be in control since he was the person that summoned the Jinchuriki in the first place

Yup, yup, I understand what you're saying and I agree with you about Gedo Mazo being like the host of all the bijuu he has.

But what I'd like to point out is that the moment Naruto destroyed the rod that was binding Son Goku and Roshi, Son was completely seperated from his host.

Here, Son refers to the rod as a temporary way to bind his chakra to Roshi.

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Meaning that when it's destroyed, Son is no longer trapped with the jinchuuriki.
So, Kabuto might have control over Roshi, but he wouldn't have control over Son Goku, because the bond between Son and Roshi would have been severed.

I hope this makes sense. :shrug: