So that means current madara is stronger than Hagoromo...

[NarutoB]

Moon size Chibaku Tensei says hi.

Madara could do that too now for all we know.

And on top of that, Madara could use Infinite Tsukyome, something the Sage can't use

 

[Umari Senju]

The fact Hagoromo needed heavy assistance from his brother in order to seal the Juubi inside of him, while Madara sealed the Juubi in seconds singlehandedly is enough proof Madara is far above Hagoromo in their pre jin state, as well as their jin state.

This is a misconception. Hogoromo and his brother faced a fully powered fully Complete Juubi. Madara faced 8 seperate entities (bijuu) and half of a Kurama. all of which are lesser then the whole to some extent.

Hogoromo faced Juubi. Madara did not.

Hogoromo > Madara

Madara could do that too now for all we know.

And on top of that, Madara could use Infinite Tsukyome, something the Sage can't use

It's a little premature to state this. We know all about Madara's abilities and little to nothing about Hogoromo and his brother's abilties. We knew nothing about Rinne Limbo until Madara used it. So how do you know the Rinnegan doesn't have an OP genjutsu when in the sockets of the Rikudo Sennin? Among other things. Madara does not have Creation of All Things (so far as we know), which is probably the ultimate Jutsu.

 

[Uchiha Sutona]

Not only did SOSP have full juubi, but he was one of the first two humans born with chakra directly from the woman who ate the fruit. Sorry Madara is not stronger than him. Not even close.

 

[NarutoB]

Not only did SOSP have full juubi,but he was one of the first two humans born with chakra directly from the woman who ate the fruit. Sorry Madara is not stronger than him. Not even close.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything tbh

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Hagomo Pre Juubi + His Brother > Perfect Form Juubi, Hagoromo Juubi Jin > > > > > > > > Any Form Of Madara With 1.000.000 Clones :|

This right here... NarutoB is a fuccking idiot.

 

[kushina naruto]

you guys forget something that the sage has an inherited house of chakara before the jubbi chakara u can't realy baet that, neither can jubbi madara

 

[Benjamin King]

This is a misconception. Hogoromo and his brother faced a fully powered fully Complete Juubi. Madara faced 8 seperate entities (bijuu) and half of a Kurama. all of which are lesser then the whole to some extent.

Hogoromo faced Juubi. Madara did not.

Hogoromo > Madara

Nope...[

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Hagoromo needed help. Madara > Hagoromo in pre and jin state.

 

[NarutoB]

This right here... NarutoB is a fuccking idiot.

Calm down jr.

You'll get an ulcer.

 

[Umari Senju]

Nope...[

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Hagoromo needed help. Madara > Hagoromo in pre and jin state.

Madara fought the Bijuu NOT Juubi. He used Rinne Limbo and layed out 8 of them, then extracted Yang Kurama from Naruto. This was not Juubi. That was the Bijuu. Go read the chapter again.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Madara could do that too now for all we know.

And on top of that, Madara could use Infinite Tsukyome, something the Sage can't use

Do you fuccking HEAR yourself? What makes you think the sage, SOMEONE who possesses Creation of all things, which means he can practically bring into existence absolutely anything he wants, can't perform Infinite tsukuyomi? We haven't even seen it yet, you are not validated to say such stupid shit..

 

[Uchiha Sutona]

That doesn't necessarily mean anything tbh

Yes, yes it does. He is not like an uchiha born with "uchiha Chakra" or lets just say Tenten, someone with just "normal chakra"
He was born with extraordinary chakra, being able to seal the Juubi within himself.

Also your telling me being the son of a woman who had the great power of the fruit, would not be born with something "extra"

 

[NarutoWA]

bcoz he, in himself is not a sage.. thats all
plus, he doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan most effectively, and ultimately,
HE IS NOT HAGOROMO :
thats why madara is a fodder in front of Hago :/

 

[Umari Senju]

Do you fuccking HEAR yourself? What makes you think the sage, SOMEONE who possesses Creation of all things, which means he can practically bring into existence absolutely anything he wants, can't perform Infinite tsukuyomi? We haven't even seen it yet, you are not validated to say such stupid shit..

Whoa there now. No need to get nasty about it. I agree with you. but what NarutoB is stating is just opinion and he is just using feats we've seen from Madara to validate his claim. Simple as that.

As I stated it is a bit premature to state these claims mainly because we know little to nothing about Hogoromo or his brother's feats. He could be right for all we know and Madara could be stronger, but I have my doubts in this.

 

[NarutoB]

Do you fuccking HEAR yourself? What makes you think the sage, SOMEONE who possesses Creation of all things, which means he can practically bring into existence absolutely anything he wants, can't perform Infinite tsukuyomi? We haven't even seen it yet, you are not validated to say such stupid shit..

@Bold, nope, I'm not talking out loud.

And for all we know Tsukyome could only be preformed by Madara and Obito.

Unless you have scans that prove otherwise then I suggest you tone it down a notch lmao

 

[From the Dark Spire]

That doesn't necessarily mean anything tbh

With the power of the Fruit, Kaguya was said to rule the entire world, nobody was more powerful than her, something the SAGE himself said. The sage and his brother are DIRECT descendents of the transcendent Kaguya, The sage MAY have been BORN with the Rinnegan, I don't know, I didn't write this story. Madara is the decendent of Indra Otsutsuki, the Son of the sage, whose power was ALREADY split between the sons.. Yea Madara may have injected senju cells in him, but the experimentation is never as powerful as the Original. Hagoromo is the Real sage.

 

[Umari Senju]

@Bold, nope, I'm not talking out loud.

And for all we know Tsukyome could only be preformed by Madara and Obito.

Unless you have scans that prove otherwise then I suggest you tone it down a notch lmao

Itachi was the 1st to be seen using Tsukuyomi. I think it is an inherant ablitilty in certain Uchiha, or maybe all of them when they get the MS.

 

[Benjamin King]

Madara fought the Bijuu NOT Juubi. He used Rinne Limbo and layed out 8 of them, then extracted Yang Kurama from Naruto. This was not Juubi. That was the Bijuu. Go read the chapter again.

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That's the Juubi. Looks at its eyes and do some comparison, if you can that is.

 

[NarutoB]

Yes, yes it does. He is not like an uchiha born with "uchiha Chakra" or lets just say Tenten, someone with just "normal chakra"
He was born with extraordinary chakra, being able to seal the Juubi within himself.

Also your telling me being the son of a woman who had the great power of the fruit, would not be born with something "extra"

@Bold, didn't Madara and Obito do that too?

And I guess you're right about that, but we don't know to what extent.

I doubt the Sage has that much more powerful chakra than Madara to make it a gamebreaker

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

That doesn't necessarily mean anything tbh

You're slobbing all over madara's balls right now. Madara.. how do I put this. The first generation is in a league all their own. Not only is Marat's not a complete juubi jin, he is vastly less experience than the sage. The sage rinnegan abilities Silone are too much. I'm hard pressed to think he can last five minutes. Honestly.

 

[NarutoB]

With the power of the Fruit, Kaguya was said to rule the entire world, nobody was more powerful than her, something the SAGE himself said. The sage and his brother are DIRECT descendents of the transcendent Kaguya, The sage MAY have been BORN with the Rinnegan, I don't know, I didn't write this story. Madara is the decendent of Indra Otsutsuki, the Son of the sage, whose power was ALREADY split between the sons.. Yea Madara may have injected senju cells in him, but the experimentation is never as powerful as the Original. Hagoromo is the Real sage.

Yeah I agree with that I guess