So should Sasuke Return To Konoha? NO not really..

[maniaoqan]

@bold, Wait, what? I pretty sure Danzo and the Elders said that most of the Leaf doesn't know of the true political nature of the Uchiha Massacre. If he does return, most may go against him due to him being a rogue ninja but everything about his clan is still top secret.

I'm too lazy to find the scans but it was told in the manga that people of Konoha are wary of Uchiha with the suspicion of their relation with the Kyuubi's attack.That was one one the reason that Uchiha got isolated and plan for revolution.

 

[Nagi]

Need I say any more?

During one episode of filler, we clearly see Minato Namikaze walking down a corridor in a building in the leaf village, even though he had been dead for 12 years.

Not everything can be cover in the manga. A lot of shit had happen behind the scene. It just common sense. But I guess the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I guess we will wait til the manga decide to cover it.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

I'm too lazy to find the scans but it was told in the manga that people of Konoha are wary of Uchiha with the suspicion of their relation with the Kyuubi's attack.

Yes, I remember that but no one has any hard evidence, just a general suspicion. Plus that all faded away with time and the tensions began to focus more on Naruto and the 9-tails than Sasuke and the Uchiha.

 

[Nagi]

Lol, you're one of those fans who feels Naruto and Sasuke can never help each other out. What's wrong with Naruto vouching for Sasuke? If anything, it can lessen tensions between the Sasuke and everyone else.

They can help each other out but really Sasuke just hurting himself by returning to that village. If the village beg him to return, then yeah I guess he can return.

But other then that, no. You judged my clan base off one person. You kept my clan out of government affair. You made my brother wipe out my clan. You didn't even try to work it out with my clan. **** no! Give me hokage seat or feudal lord seat, then maybe we can work together.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

They can help each other out but really Sasuke just hurting himself by returning to that village. If the village beg him to return, then yeah I guess he can return.

But other then that, no. You judged my clan base off one person. You kept my clan out of government affair. You made my brother wipe out my clan. You didn't even try to work it out with my clan. **** no! Give me hokage seat or feudal lord seat, then maybe we can work together.

Is Sasuke went to the Leaf with that mindset, he would be taking Itachi's hidden legacy, throwing it out the window and setting fire to it with Katon. :| Itachi want him look past the Leaf's inconsistencies and and protect the Leaf. I'm surprised people ignore that aspect of Itachi's character.

 

[Nagi]

Is Sasuke went to the Leaf with that mindset, he would be taking Itachi's hidden legacy, throwing it out the window and setting fire to it with Katon. :| Itachi want him look past the Leaf's inconsistencies and and protect the Leaf. I'm surprised people ignore that aspect of Itachi's character.

Itachi also said it and their father said it too. Follow your own path. Don't follow other people's path. Itachi only want to protect the leaf because he bonded with the village far more than Sasuke. Sasuke never really bonded with the village like itachi. Itachi also said, "no matter what path you pick, I'll always love you!" So really, Sasuke got his own dream to follow. revolution! Destroy the world first then create a new world. He the next lelouch! XD

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Itachi also said it and their father said it too. Follow your own path. Don't follow other people's path. Itachi only want to protect the leaf because he bonded with the village far more than Sasuke. Sasuke never really bonded with the village like itachi. Itachi also said, "no matter what path you pick, I'll always love you!" So really, Sasuke got his own dream to follow. revolution! Destroy the world first then create a new world. He the next lelouch! XD

:| and you obviously don't see the flaws in his so call "revolution".

 

[Nagi]

:| and you obviously don't see the flaws in his so call "revolution".

No plan is flawless. Naruto's plan have some serious flaws. Unless he plan to die with the hated.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

No plan is flawless. Naruto's plan have some serious flaws. Unless he plan to die with the hated.

Admittedly, both their extremist views are with flaws, but just the fact that Sasuke (or his fans) doesn't seem to notice that disturbs me.

 

[Nagi]

Admittedly, both their extremist views are with flaws, but just the fact that Sasuke (or his fans) doesn't seem to notice that disturbs me.

To me, I just don't like hashirama or naruto. They just unrealistic. Naruto forgiving obito for killing his parents. Him forgiving Nagato was understandable. No other character would allow obito to live after having their parent killed by him. Hashirama need to get it through his skull that not everybody look at the Uchiha clan or Madara like he do. They just too naive.

Sasuke and Madara just don't give a damn about what other people think of them and pursuit their own goals. On top of that, when the whole world against them, they kept going. That right there....They got my respect. If they get TNJ, they lost my respect.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

To me, I just don't like hashirama or naruto. They just unrealistic. Naruto forgiving obito for killing his parents. Him forgiving Nagato was understandable. No other character would allow obito to live after having their parent killed by him. Hashirama need to get it through his skull that not everybody look at the Uchiha clan or Madara like he do. They just too naive.

Sasuke and Madara just don't give a damn about what other people think of them and pursuit their own goals. On top of that, when the whole world against them, they kept going. That right there....They got my respect. If they get TNJ, they lost my respect.

Neither side has a realistic solution for peace. Sasuke and Madara's ideas of peace are to force-feed it down everyone's throat, regardless of whether people agree with it or not. Plus Naruto never forgave Nagato, much less Obito.

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He simply sympathized with their ideals.

 

[Nagi]

Neither side has a realistic solution for peace. Sasuke and Madara's ideas of peace are to force-feed it down everyone's throat, regardless of whether people agree with it or not. Plus Naruto never forgave Nagato, much less Obito.

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He simply sympathized with their ideals.

Im not talking about the solution being realistic or not. Im talking about their character or the mentality that drove them to keep going on despite how tough things get. Madara and Sasuke's mentality are more realistic than Naruto and Hashirama. Naruto's talk-no-jutsu and luck-no-jutsu can't get you far in real life. Madara's patience-no-jutsu, plan-no-jutsu, insurance-no-jutsu, analyze-no-jutsu can get you far in real life. Yes this is just anime or manga, but we try connect the story to real life in some aspect all the time for anything.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Im not talking about the solution being realistic or not. Im talking about their character or the mentality that drove them to keep going on despite how tough things get. Madara and Sasuke's mentality are more realistic than Naruto and Hashirama. Naruto's plot-no-jutsu and luck-no-jutsu can't get you far in real life. Madara's patience-no-jutsu, plan-no-jutsu, insurance-no-jutsu, analyze-no-jutsu can get you far in real life. Yes this is just anime or manga, but we try connect the story to real life in some aspect all the time for anything.

Almost nothing about each of these characters are realistic. Sasuke's willingness to kill off an entire village just for the sins of a few people is unrealistic. Madara's plans to wipe out an entire village and kill his best friend just because of new revelation is unrealistic. The actions, mindsets, and overall ideology all four characters, Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, and Sasuke, are far from realism. No one that hard-line about anything can achieve something in this world reasonably, in the real world, being hard-line like these aforementioned characters only leads unnecessary tensions.

 

[Nagi]

Almost nothing about each of these characters are realistic. Sasuke's willingness to kill off an entire village just for the sins of a few people is unrealistic. Madara's plans to wipe out an entire village and kill his best friend just because of new revelation is unrealistic. The actions, mindsets, and overall ideology all four characters, Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, and Sasuke, are far from realism. No one that hard-line about anything can achieve something in this world reasonably, in the real world, being hard-line like these aforementioned characters only leads unnecessary tensions.

Im not talking about their plan. Their plans will never happen in real life. But...Look at real life top dictators, then look at Madara. You can find a lot of connections between the mindsets. Look at real life top leaders or heroes for this case and compare them to Naruto, you not gonna find many connection at all. What is really funny, some of the real life top leaders or public heroes share a lot of mindset connection with Madara. Naruto just a terrible character with no self-awareness. He sell false hope to people.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Im not talking about their plan. Their plans will never happen in real life. But...Look at real life top dictators, then look at Madara. You can find a lot of connections between the mindsets. Look at real life top leaders or heroes for this case and compare them to Naruto, you not gonna find many connection at all. What is really funny, some of the real life top leaders or public heroes share a lot of mindset connection with Madara. Naruto just a terrible character with no self-awareness. He sell false hope to people.

Please, tell me how fair these "dictators" are, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-Un. And I can find connection with Naruto and real-life figures, Gandhi, MLK, many American Revolutionaries, and much more.

And by now, you've all but left my point and just turned this into unnecessary bashing of Naruto. This was about Sasuke and the idea that he can return to village and still have a reason to do so. He still does, I've provided evidence, now move on good sir.

 

[Nagi]

Please, tell me how fair these "dictators" are, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong-Un. And I can find connection with Naruto and real-life figures, Gandhi, MLK, many American Revolutionaries, and much more.

And by now, you've all but left my point and just turned this into unnecessary bashing of Naruto. This was about Sasuke and the idea that he can return to village and still have a reason to do so. He still does, I've provided evidence, now move on good sir.

Nothing fair in life. What those dictators done are wrong but the mindset behind it just lovely. it just amazing to see that they could pull it off and be known.

MLK had bunch of Kakashis to deal with the dirty work or protection of the idea. Many American Revolutionaries had the same mindset as madara. Gandhi...I'll give you that one.

This wasn't bashing Naruto at all all. We got on to this topic when you said, "Admittedly, both their extremist views are with flaws, but just the fact that Sasuke (or his fans) doesn't seem to notice that disturbs me." Some other would call that bashing Sasuke.

I thought we was having a good conversation so far. I guess not. Oh well. You didn't waste my time so far anyway. Thanks for that.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

MLK had bunch of Kakashi to deal with the dirty work. Many American Revolutionaries had the same mindset as madara. Gandhi...I'll give you that one.

This wasn't bashing Naruto at all all. We got on to this topic when you said, "Admittedly, both their extremist views are with flaws, but just the fact that Sasuke (or his fans) doesn't seem to notice that disturbs me." Some other would call that bashing Sasuke.

I thought we was having a good conversation so far. I guess not. Oh well. You didn't waste my time so far anyway. Thanks for that.

The fan part could be considered bashing but it is fact that Sasuke is ignoring major flaws similar to Naruto.

 

[Nagi]

The fan part could be considered bashing but it is fact that Sasuke is ignoring major flaws similar to Naruto.

Well people beside you are not acknowledging Naruto's flaw. I got your main answer to my main question. Thanks for the conversation.

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Well people beside you are not acknowledging Naruto's flaw. I got your main answer to my main question. Thanks for the conversation.

No prob

 

[KillerbYo]

IKR hey lets forget about everything iv been through the entire ****ing story and just go back to konoha....