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Kml on the left is her arm still bleeding from when Kakashi ripped her arm off with a Kamui Raikiri.
On the right, are just fragments of a 2inch thick horn...again, where is the blood that Sakura drew?
So Sakura can never surpass Tsunade?
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On the right, are just fragments of a 2inch thick horn...again, where is the blood that Sakura drew?
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So what if we are? There are other fanbases too we like on here. Liking one particular character has nothing to do with disliking another. Don't sit there thinking Sakura cannot be hated by any other fanbase.
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Sakura already did and dumb asses are keeping saying she didn't
Kishi already said she surpassed her
Kishi already said she surpassed her
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Plot hole and nothing more, but whatever, I'll give that argument to you. In the end, it still doesn't make her stronger than Tsunade.
It's far from baseless, in fact, it's downright fact. By feats and hype, Tsunade is still superior to Sakura in several categories, such as speed, strength, taijutsu, stamina, durability, and move set.
Kakashi can 'confirm' sakura's potential all he likes, that doesn't really mean much. Neji was also said to have the potential to become the strongest Hyuga, and that never happened. Lee also has the potential to surpass Gai, that doesn't mean he has or will. Point is, you can speak about potential all you like, but unless that potential blooms, no amount of wanking it will do Sakura any good.
lol I don't want someone who believes Hinata is weaker than Hanabi claiming my arguments are fueled by hate. Lol
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Well Hashirama did say that War Sakura's strength was almost on par with Tsunade (mind you, he hasn't even seen an adult Tsunade yet as his latest recollection of her was when she was just a child roughly 7 years old)
No where they making stuff up :leaf:
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Databooks 4 says she gained tsunade abilities and rivaled her
The Last 2 years later says she surpassed her
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She's the strongest medic in the world
Her skills > tsunade.
Are you okay, no seriously? Show me a panel of every Shinobi in the manga training HARD with a sannin for three years? What's that? You can't. What ever, your original argument is crap. It doesn't matter if every Shin obi trained hard, it doesn't dismiss the fact that Sakura trained hard too. Oh yeah, and thanks for admitting that all your arguments are shitty and are based on your wierd obsession for a fictional charecter. You lose, I win. Now, go back to posting in threads about Sakura being a houswife based on a few panels in a chapter, because logic isn't your strong suit.
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I said most of the haters are hinata fans because it's true I never said other fanbases didn't hate her so calm down.
First of all calm down.
being a genjutsu type can help her in one on one vs people who can't counter genjutsu and tsunade had never shown any genjutsu feats so this should be what gives sakura the advantage over tsunade.
Tsunade didn't show anything that sakura didn't TBH and hype is supporting sakura not tsunade since someone like kakashi is confirming sakura's potential and kakashi's words=kishi's words.
Neji IS the strongest hyuuga TBH, lee should be stronger than gai by now since he's still shown training and on top of all that I'm not wanking sakura I only posted kakshi's words AKA kish's manga
and hinata didn't get back her title as the hyuuga heiress so logically she should be bellow hanabi.
nobody knows when hashirama died but either way tsunade didn't show anything that sakura didn't show.
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So not in the manga time but after. ( around the times of chapter 700)
I was right.
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Sakura will either surpass or be on her level. Sakura has made tremendous progress during the timeskip(CES, yin seal and the slug) and many shinobi have praised her skill. Hell Sasori an AKATUSKI member called her "a brat to be reckoned with' and skilled. So in many years I see her being on Tsunade's level or close.
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It's funny that you say that, when Tsuande's Genjutsu score is exactly the same as Sakura's. Well, that takes care of that mess.
Tsunade has actually shown much better feats than Sakura in all the categories I mentioned, along with having an extra move that can be deadly in taijutsu. Hype is actually on Tsunade's side, given what Jiriaya and Hashirama have said, with the former saying she's unmatched in combat, and the latter comparing a 12 year old Seal-less Tsuande to a 17 year old YS Sakura. Like I said, potential can be wanked all you like, but until that potential starts showing, it means nothing. It has zero value.
No, Hiashi is still stronger than him, even when Neji was alive. Lee's limit is still the 6th gate. But I'm not here to argue about whether Neji surpassed Hiashi or Lee surpassed Gai. My point is, potential to surpass someone doesn't mean they will or have.
This is a fine example of the blindess you have because of your hate for Hinata. You're using a statement from 600+ (!!!) chapters ago/4-6 years ago NV-time, to try and desperately degrade Hinata to being below Hanabi….. Despite her learning Air palm, Twin lion fists, 64 palms [strongest hyuga taijutsu] and possibly more….. Despite her polishing her taijutsu and visual prowess in general… Despite her fighting in the war and even saving Naruto 3 times and the whole alliance from the god damned JUUBI along with Ino. ….. Yes, Hanabi, who we haven’t even seen use the BASIC gentle fist style, who isn’t fighting in the war, and who isn’t a chunnin, is stronger than Hinata….. Of course.
Oh, and Hanabi being given the heiress title ,well, it's fanfiction, as that has never been stated to my knowledge. Even if it was, it means nothing due to Hanabi having literally zero feats. Call me when she is shown even using basic gentle fist.
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Yes but if you refer to when Hashirama was revived by Orochimaru and co., you would see that when Hashirama hears that Tsunade became Hokage, he pictures a child Tsunade, instead of an older, more mature Tsunade
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Taijutsu: Her Taijutsu was praised by Jiriaya as being unmatched, and she was skilled enough to even take on Orochimaru and Kabuto despite 20 years of being a drunken gambler, even being able to land a clean punch on Orochimaru's face, subdue Manda with one hit, and blitz Kabuto.
Her Taijutsu got a 5/5 in the third databook, while Sakura's got a 3/5. Now, after the third databook, Tsuande went on to display more taijutsu feats when she was up against Madara, being able to land multiple hits on him and his Susnao'O. Sakura, on the other hand, has shown little to no improvement in her taijutsu post-3rd databook, meaning that Tsunade's skill has improved considerablly, while Sakura's has remained more or less the same. Of course, I think as a whole most people agree that Tsunade's taijutsu skills are superior to Sakura's, so I'll leave it at that.
Durability: Tsunade was capable of tanking the Heavenly Transfer Technique, which Mabui said only the Third Raikage could handle. She even doubted Ay would be able to handle it, let alone Tsuande. And yet, she came out of the technique with minor cuts and wounds, only ever activating the Yin seal to heal the damage done by the technique afterwards.
Sakura's best tanking feat is ... well, I can't exactly recall any good tanking, but I certainly am aware of a large chunk of bad tanking feats she has under her belt, such as being knocked back by Kabuto's rear, going unconscious due to hitting her head on a bridge, being sent flying by Omoi, getting owned by Naruto's tailand perhaps a few other moments,
Stamina: As a Senju and Uzumaki, Tsunade's stamina is massive, and this is shown when she was able to heal and protect a large chunk of the Leaf Village during Pain's assault. Sakura also has good stamina thanks to her yin seal, but Tsunade also has that same seal, along with her genetics, which make her once again come out on top
Raw Strength: Her raw strength is many times superior to Sakura's, as she was able to lift Gamabunta's gargantuan metal sword and use it to slam Manda's mouth shut. The closest feat of Raw strength Sakura has displayed is pulling Sasori's hollow, wooden body towards herself.
Chakra Enhanced Strength: Tsunade still takes the cake. Hashirama, when witnessing Sakura's strength in chapter 632, commented that Sakura's strength ''May almost be as bad as Tsunade's". This tells us that Sakura's strength is POTENTIALLY on par with Tsunade's [not guaranteed]. But Hashirama is not referring to the Tsunade we saw fighting in the war, but rather a much younger Tsunade, as he passed away when Tsunade was 12 years old at best. This means that Hashirama was comparing a 12 year old Tsunade who lacks the Yin Seal to a 17 year old Sakura who has the Yin seal. Of course, with this in mind, it's more than obvious that Tsunade is stronger than Sakura with the Yin seal.
Moveset: She posses only one offensive move that Sakura doesn't, the Body Derangement technique. But, this one move can make a massive difference in a taijutsu battle, as Tsunade simply needs to touch her opponent and insert electricity into their nervous system to make their bodies unable to move the way they desire, leaving her opponent open for a nice, clean hit.
So yes, Tsunade was 7-12 years old when Hashirama died, meaning this is the version of tsunade he was referring to, who, mind you, didn't even have a Yin Seal.
Her Taijutsu got a 5/5 in the third databook, while Sakura's got a 3/5. Now, after the third databook, Tsuande went on to display more taijutsu feats when she was up against Madara, being able to land multiple hits on him and his Susnao'O. Sakura, on the other hand, has shown little to no improvement in her taijutsu post-3rd databook, meaning that Tsunade's skill has improved considerablly, while Sakura's has remained more or less the same. Of course, I think as a whole most people agree that Tsunade's taijutsu skills are superior to Sakura's, so I'll leave it at that.
Durability: Tsunade was capable of tanking the Heavenly Transfer Technique, which Mabui said only the Third Raikage could handle. She even doubted Ay would be able to handle it, let alone Tsuande. And yet, she came out of the technique with minor cuts and wounds, only ever activating the Yin seal to heal the damage done by the technique afterwards.
Sakura's best tanking feat is ... well, I can't exactly recall any good tanking, but I certainly am aware of a large chunk of bad tanking feats she has under her belt, such as being knocked back by Kabuto's rear, going unconscious due to hitting her head on a bridge, being sent flying by Omoi, getting owned by Naruto's tailand perhaps a few other moments,
Stamina: As a Senju and Uzumaki, Tsunade's stamina is massive, and this is shown when she was able to heal and protect a large chunk of the Leaf Village during Pain's assault. Sakura also has good stamina thanks to her yin seal, but Tsunade also has that same seal, along with her genetics, which make her once again come out on top
Raw Strength: Her raw strength is many times superior to Sakura's, as she was able to lift Gamabunta's gargantuan metal sword and use it to slam Manda's mouth shut. The closest feat of Raw strength Sakura has displayed is pulling Sasori's hollow, wooden body towards herself.
Chakra Enhanced Strength: Tsunade still takes the cake. Hashirama, when witnessing Sakura's strength in chapter 632, commented that Sakura's strength ''May almost be as bad as Tsunade's". This tells us that Sakura's strength is POTENTIALLY on par with Tsunade's [not guaranteed]. But Hashirama is not referring to the Tsunade we saw fighting in the war, but rather a much younger Tsunade, as he passed away when Tsunade was 12 years old at best. This means that Hashirama was comparing a 12 year old Tsunade who lacks the Yin Seal to a 17 year old Sakura who has the Yin seal. Of course, with this in mind, it's more than obvious that Tsunade is stronger than Sakura with the Yin seal.
Moveset: She posses only one offensive move that Sakura doesn't, the Body Derangement technique. But, this one move can make a massive difference in a taijutsu battle, as Tsunade simply needs to touch her opponent and insert electricity into their nervous system to make their bodies unable to move the way they desire, leaving her opponent open for a nice, clean hit.
She was 12 years old at best when Hahsirama died, given that Hiruzen was Hokage when Tsunade was 12, meaning Tobirama must have already been dead by then, and Hashirama likewise.
So yes, Tsunade was 7-12 years old when Hashirama died, meaning this is the version of tsunade he was referring to, who, mind you, didn't even have a Yin Seal.
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Hey I never said sakura is stronger I said she can become stronger but either way sakura was stated to be the strongest medic ninja in the last(read on of the post's above) but maybe because tsunade retired? nobody knows.
I don't care about the hanabi argument but I'm still hung up on the fact that the hyuuga heiress with no feats should be stronger than her ex-heiress sister the same way you think Hiashi the hyuuga leader with no feats is stronger than neji. people have their opinions so don't force your opinion as facts.
and hanabi is the hyuuga heiress re-read the manga or check out the wiki.
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Of course she can become stronger, was I ever arguing against that? Not at all. I was saying she isn't.
Strongest Medic would mean in terms of medical knowledge or whatever, not in fighting enemies.
Dude, did you just say Hiashi is featless !? Big mistake right there. Hanabi has no feats nor any hype nor any databook scores for you to even begin to argue she's above Hinata. FFS, she's still listed as a genin!
On the other hand, Hiashi has shown an equal Rotation to Neji and a MUCH better Air Palm than Neji. Moreover, his speed is only slightly below Neji's and his Taijutsu slightly superior, and for a Hyuga, better taijutsu is more important than better speed, as shown when Neji was always able to beat Lee despite his superior speed. So overall, Hiashi is superior to Neji. [lol I still can't believe you tried comparing Hanabi and Hinata's situation to Neji and Hiashi's]
Manga never said that and the Wiki isn't an official source, so I'm not buying it until you bring a canon source.
I suppose for some people (like myself) it's not just about Kishi-written feats but her characterisation/development and general distaste for blatant fan service.
To say that she surpasses Tsunade in all things can make sense. In the same way that Jaraiya/Orochimaru/Tsunade surpassed Hirzuen - mostly due to his old age and declining chakra reserves/reflexes and skills.
So yes, Sakura may have surpassed Tsunade post-war. I saw evidence of her becoming Tsunade's equal (activating her Yin Seal for the first time, healing the Alliance en masse.)
I can't recall her doing anything better than Tsunade. Or doing something that Tsunade couldn't.
Does Sakura surpass a young (at her peak) Tsunade?
Should probably consider Tsunade's real advanced age, being at least fifty years old - but then add to that what her body has suffered from her abusing those 100 Healing Techniques with that Yin Seal.
She looks... ancient, worse that Hirzuen did.
So surpassing Tsunade as she is then and then later post-war perhaps isn't so much a great and astounding feat as people like to believe, but more an eventuality.
My requirements for one shinobi surpassing another is perhaps a little higher than most Sakura fans.
For or Sakura to have finally surpassed Tsunade she would have to take those techniques and enhance them - improve upon them. Not only that she would have to show evidence of creating techniques of her own.
She hasn't, to my knowledge, ever done so.
All we have so far is her learning all of Tsunade's medical-ninjutsu, her Yin Seal, her taijutsu and enhanced chakra strength, her slug summons... and that's it.
On it's own - it's great, a real accomplishment...
But another issue that comes into play with Sakura is that she is supposed to be a main character, so... she gets compared with the other main characters (Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi) and is found lacking.
Each of them took techniques and improved/completed/enhanced them - Sakura didn't.
Each of them displayed skills/abilties set apart from their sensei/shishou - Sakura didn't.
To say that she surpasses Tsunade in all things can make sense. In the same way that Jaraiya/Orochimaru/Tsunade surpassed Hirzuen - mostly due to his old age and declining chakra reserves/reflexes and skills.
So yes, Sakura may have surpassed Tsunade post-war. I saw evidence of her becoming Tsunade's equal (activating her Yin Seal for the first time, healing the Alliance en masse.)
I can't recall her doing anything better than Tsunade. Or doing something that Tsunade couldn't.
Does Sakura surpass a young (at her peak) Tsunade?
Should probably consider Tsunade's real advanced age, being at least fifty years old - but then add to that what her body has suffered from her abusing those 100 Healing Techniques with that Yin Seal.
She looks... ancient, worse that Hirzuen did.
So surpassing Tsunade as she is then and then later post-war perhaps isn't so much a great and astounding feat as people like to believe, but more an eventuality.
My requirements for one shinobi surpassing another is perhaps a little higher than most Sakura fans.
For or Sakura to have finally surpassed Tsunade she would have to take those techniques and enhance them - improve upon them. Not only that she would have to show evidence of creating techniques of her own.
She hasn't, to my knowledge, ever done so.
All we have so far is her learning all of Tsunade's medical-ninjutsu, her Yin Seal, her taijutsu and enhanced chakra strength, her slug summons... and that's it.
On it's own - it's great, a real accomplishment...
But another issue that comes into play with Sakura is that she is supposed to be a main character, so... she gets compared with the other main characters (Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi) and is found lacking.
Each of them took techniques and improved/completed/enhanced them - Sakura didn't.
Each of them displayed skills/abilties set apart from their sensei/shishou - Sakura didn't.
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1-Okay then since you were comparing a 17 old sakura feats to tsunade back then so I was confused either way if we're to assume an adult sakura should be on par with tsunade add that powerful genjutsu she should be stronger.
and shouldn't stronger mean overall? like for example Naruto is the strongest hokage does that mean he's better than the previous hokage with leadership and paperwork only? again maybe because tsunade retired at that time.
2-again it's my opinion so don't jump my throat.
3-I did say re-read the manga didn't I?
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Oh really? Do you got any numbers backing you up?
Yeah I am fine. Way better then you in fact. Atleast I don't need to name myself after my mood.
Wait are you mad? Oh wait...
How many sanin are in this manga? Three right? Why would three sanin train the whole ninja world?
I can't show you any because what you are asking is impossible for even a fanfic.
And where did I claim Sakura never worked hard?
I never admitted any of that. You have very poor reading skills for a person who claims to be better. Your obession with wanking Sakura is no different then my obession with disliking her. You are going on a forum trying to defend a fictional character with elementary arguments. So how are you any lesser obessed then me?
And logic is your strong suit apperently? Because "you lose, I win" is all you care about? For a logicial person you really have a 3 year old mentality.
@bold: I will do as I please. You don't need to tell me.
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