So now that Sasuke uses Kage bunshin

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I exactly meant what I said, It's a stupid term used in the base to describe the extra feats of any mastered justu or ability, seeing how naruto has surpassed the word "mastery" many times such as chakra control which he brought to a new level which wasn't there before he did . And yeah that clearly does nothing to my actual point....

Naruto made kage bunshin with a seal ever since he was young, it's fair to assume that he got used to it. And technically speaking naruto can make a clone make another clone and thus not needing anymore seals, so there you go...........
Nope even his clones made seals.

I agree an adult Sasuke would get the majority of KB down like nothing because between dumbass teenager Naruto and adult Sasuke there is no comparison in intellect. However, how is experience not the same as mastery? True, Naruto took ages to figure out something as simple as retaining information after the jutsu is released and even then he had to be told by Kakashi but that does not mean he didn't show masterful use of the technique in other regards. If you are saying Naruto's experience with KB makes him better at using it than someone who is new to the jutsu like Sasuke (if he even uses it at all) than I don't see why that experience wouldn't be considered mastery of the jutsu. Being able to use a jutsu to it's utmost effectiveness is my idea of mastery. If you are saying that Sasuke will be able to use KB at the skill level as Naruto than I disagree.

The use of hand seals is just a trademark for the franchise, even if he could use the jutsu without hand seals it wouldn't matter he would still be shown using them. And I swear Naruto had already used KB without hand signs multiple times, I could be wrong though because I can't remember any exact times. I thought if he can manage making the rasengan with out clones then surely he can manage something as simple as KB without hand signs.
Well Sasuke's skill in performing it is better whereas Naruto use of the jutsu itself is better considering he uses it for many of his combinations, be it Taijutsu attacks, Ninjutsu attacks, diversions,etc.

By mastery i only meant the way it is performed - no hand seals>hand seals.

Just as one handed Rasengan> 2 handed rasengan
 
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So'>? are you implying that sasuke is superior to naruto in terms of chakra control?even when he has a universal knowledge ? more importantly wasn't your main point that naruto needed a seal to make clones when sasuke did? Yeah naruto pretty much did that feat ......
All i'm saying is Sasuke's skill in performing the technique is better, although Naruto uses the technique itself better.
 

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All i'm saying is Sasuke's skill in performing the technique is better, although Naruto uses the technique itself better.
And you cleverly came up with that awesome conclusion after watching him create the bunshins without a seal only once? Pretty damn good reasoning you got there, bro.
 
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And you cleverly came up with that awesome conclusion after watching him create the bunshins without a seal only once? Pretty damn good reasoning you got there, bro.
Obviously he can perform it better - as i said earlier - Sasuke used it with no hand seals, and in the same trailer, Naruto had the KB hand seals up.

One can obviously do it with hand seals,and the other obviously hasn't shown he can also do it with no hand seals.

It's not hard to understand - Performing a jutsu with no hand seals even though it suppousedly requires hand seals>> performing it with hand seals.
 

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Going back and looking at the video we don't we what Sasuke did before the clone appeared. When the scene focus on Sasuke the clones are appearing. Sasuke, like Naruto, can now form handseals with one hand. There is no proof he didn't form the handseals underneath his cloak.

At this time it is all speculation.
When has Naruto done one handed handseals?
 

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Obviously he can perform it better - as i said earlier - Sasuke used it with no hand seals, and in the same trailer, Naruto had the KB hand seals up.
Actually naruto was in a completely different situation, so don't even compare. Sasuke using the justu without a seal is about as irrelevant as sasuke not being able to make more bunshins , It does not effect naruto being superior in any way. And like someone before me said , saske might've made the seals under his jacket.
One can obviously do it with hand seals,and the other obviously hasn't shown he can also do it with no hand seals.
A clone made another clone, go back to your comment and look. Your main point was that naruto couldn't perform the justu without hand seals while sasuke could, and I previously explained it to you, that naruto made clone create another clone and even use a different justu, which can technically be considered "not needing hand seals". He even made a huge number of clones when sasuke couldn't. You may argue that it's because he doesn't have as much chakra as naruto but hey your point is "who can preform the justu better" right? Yeah naruto can while sasuke can't,and thus, and only by your logic, he's better. :lol
It's not hard to understand - Performing a jutsu with no hand seals even though it suppousedly requires hand seals>> performing it with hand seals.
Ok let me test your knowledge on kage bunshin. What is exactly the purpose of the hands seal in making the clones, go ahead and explain.
 
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Actually naruto was in a completely different situation, so don't even compare. Sasuke using the justu without a seal is about as irrelevant as sasuke not being able to make more bunshins , It does not effect naruto being superior in any way. And like someone before me said , saske might've made the seals under his jacket.

A clone made another clone, go back to your comment and look. Your main point was that naruto couldn't perform the justu without hand seals while sasuke could, and I previously explained it to you, that naruto made clone create another clone and even use a different justu, which can technically be considered "not needing hand seals". He even made a huge number of clones when sasuke couldn't. You may argue that it's because he doesn't have as much chakra as naruto but hey your point is "who can preform the justu better" right? Yeah naruto can while sasuke can't,and thus, and only by your logic, he's better. :lol

Ok let me test your knowledge on kage bunshin. What is exactly the purpose of the hands seal in making the clones, go ahead and explain.

You're over complicating things. At the very most, Sasuke used one hand to perform the jutsu, whereas Naruto needs two.

That is still better. Sasuke can perform (activate) the jutsu better. This is non-debatable - No hand seals or 1 hand performing hand seals is>>> Using hand seals, and using 2 hand to perform hand seals.

Lol, thanks to you, i now have know have in mind that if Sasuke did use hand seals, it was with one hand which is > 2 hands.

When has Naruto done one handed handseals?
He must be talking about the Kakashi Hiden novel. That's the only time i ever heard of him using it with one hand.
 
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I've never seen Sasuke fans pay so much attention to KB until he started using them...

I'm starting to think the technique didn't exist to them until Sasuke used it.
 

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You're over complicating things. At the very most, Sasuke used one hand to perform the jutsu, whereas Naruto needs two.
Meh, Irrelevant.
That is still better. Sasuke can perform (activate) the jutsu better. This is non-debatable - No hand seals or 1 hand performing hand seals is>>> Using hand seals, and using 2 hand to perform hand seals.
Then explain to me the purpose of making seals when using kage bunshins, It's you duty as you're the one who started the argument.
Lol, thanks to you, i know have know have in mind that if Sasuke did use hand seals, it was with one hand which is > 2 hands.
lololoolol so you ignore all the significant feats that naruto does when using KB and only judge by one feat sasuke has done which is totally irrelevant at their current level of skill ? More importantly constantly shifting and changing your main point. You literary went from :
"Naruto needs hands seal, sasuke doesn't" to>>" naruto needs hands seals to create the first clone and then let it create the others"" to>>>>>" Naruto needs 2 hands while sasuke needs 1"

I honestly don't know if I should really take you seriously now.XD
 

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Meh, Irrelevant.

Then explain to me the purpose of making seals when using kage bunshins, It's you duty as you're the one who started the argument.

lololoolol so you ignore all the significant feats that naruto does when using KB and only judge by one feat sasuke has done which is totally irrelevant at their current level of skill ? More importantly constantly shifting and changing your main point. You literary went from :
"Naruto needs hands seal, sasuke doesn't" to>>" naruto needs hands seals to create the first clone and then let it create the others"" to>>>>>" Naruto needs 2 hands while sasuke needs 1"

I honestly don't know if I should really take you seriously now.XD
I said it from the beginning, Sasuke performed (activated) the jutsu better, my reasoning was he uses no hand seals, while Naruto uses hand seals.

You are the one who brought in the other stuff which i decided to counter, now you're bringing up something else that you want me to counter

KB requires hand seals, the hand seals are required to activate the jutsu, just as many other techniques require hand seals to activate.

Despite that Sasuke did it with no hand seals,while Naruto doesn't - it's clear who activated the jutsu better.

Go ahead and take this L cobra.
 

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True, Naruto took ages to figure out something as simple as retaining information after the jutsu is released and even then he had to be told by Kakashi but that does not mean he didn't show masterful use of the technique in other regards.
It was Kishi attempt to justify fast Naruto's growth.
 

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I said it from the beginning, Sasuke performed (activated) the jutsu better, my reasoning was he uses no hand seals, while Naruto uses hand seals.
I want you to explain that, what are the hand signs purpose in here, and more importantly how are they the only factor that you're you using to judge that someone could preform a justu better than someone else. You got all those questions to answer seeing how I already explained to you, that hands seals are not the only determining factor of the whole matter as you're trying to portray, otherwise many different things that naruto did would also confirm that he's better at what you supposedly call "better performance" when it's clearly nothing but a fanfic factor in which you created just to make sasuke seem as if he's actually better. Just look at yourself, dividing the justu apart in order to give sasuke some credit for some non-existing shit.Seals are used to determined and actually collect The exact amount of chakra necessary to perform a technique, a feat naruto did some many times with less effort and without needing any seals, like when he divided his Kyuubi chakra through everyone. Now please explain why you think naruto even needs a seal to begin with? Th only logical answer would be that he GOT USED TO IT.
You are the one who brought in the other stuff which i decided to counter, now you're bringing up something else that you want me to counter
You're trying to prove that sasuke is better at what you call "better at preforming a justu", When someone who reads the manga looks at this, he/she would instantly figure out that you're talking about the jutsu in overall but no, you are not, which brings the question"why do you think that not needing hand seals is the only determing factor of the whole jutsu usage skill?".
KB requires hand seals, the hand seals are required to activate the jutsu, just as many other techniques require hand seals to activate.
You failed at analyzing why hand seals are required for ninja to do, And thus you failed at understanding your own poinr, friend. I mentioned many feats which naruto showed when he was using KB and you addressed none so far, You blindly just assume that if someone needs hand seals they're inferior to someone who does not need them in terms of "justu preforming" which is pretty retarded since that would imply that hebi sasuke is better at preforming chidori than hashirama performing his wood clone jutsu .
Despite that Sasuke did it with no hand seals,while Naruto doesn't - it's clear who activated the jutsu better.
You don't activate a justu, you create the chakra which is going to be manipulated in order to use the jutsu. Activate is not the right word to use here.
Go ahead and take this L cobra.
I wish if that was actually even half true, You seem thirsty to win the argument even though you have none.:lol

Even though you're so far running in circles, I'm intersted in your point and thus I will reply to anything you post tomorrow as I'm going to bed now.
 
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What does Naruto have to compete?

I mean it was his counter to Sharingan. When Sasuke had Sharingan, Naruto would have to use KB to be on par.

Now that Sasuke has Sharingan and KB, he stomps at cqc. As well, Naruto's ability to use tactics with KB now transfer to Sasuke, who masters everything in his arsenal.

Imagine Sasuke using KB in ways like Itachi, or Naruto.
even if sasuke uses kage bunshin (which he cant , that was just a regular bunshin) , he makes 10 KB each uses a chidori stale mate with 10 narutos KB rasengan , and then sasuke will lie on ground with his rinnegan closed and saying , "I m out of chakra"
 

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Obviously he can perform it better - as i said earlier - Sasuke used it with no hand seals, and in the same trailer, Naruto had the KB hand seals up.

One can obviously do it with hand seals,and the other obviously hasn't shown he can also do it with no hand seals.

It's not hard to understand - Performing a jutsu with no hand seals even though it suppousedly requires hand seals>> performing it with hand seals.
It's not been confirmed to be kage bunshin yet. For all we know it could be gen jutsu or normal clones. Don't jump into conclusions boy
 
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