So now it isn't the ninja tools that are bad?

[Sagebee]

Ok, this isn't an exam for fun, or as a competition. This is a test to see if children are ready to fight and die to protect their friends and family in death matches.

The only rule is kill or be killed. If increasing levels of scientific innovation is what helps keep children alive, you bet your ass that's what it will come down to, as it should.

Do puppets count as science? How about Dosu and Zaku's literal science-based jutsus? I don't recall those being removed.

Well if a person created the kote device then it would slightly be more fair for a person to use because they created it with their own skills

But even then if the kote device is broken or opponent has a better device the person is screwed

 

[The Necromancer]

Boruto was clearly inferior ninja at the exams because of his lack of training, if it was allowed for all remind to use it then it would be a contest who could best use the kote device and not whose the best ninja

Why is that a problem? If you've determined that User A can complete the mission more efficiently than User B, then why does it matter?

 

[Sagebee]

Why is that a problem? If you've determined that User A can complete the mission more efficiently than User B, then why does it matter?

It's a contest testing whose the best ninja not whose the best Pokemon master

Kote devices undermine the spirit of the chunin exams

 

[Avani]

Ok, this isn't an exam for fun, or as a competition. This is a test to see if children are ready to fight and die to protect their friends and family in death matches.

There are a lot of sports/competitions that can get you killed. Doesn't mean the participants should be allowed to cheat because of the risk. No one said new gadgets were inherently bad but it was to give them a level field in relative terms. Some people will have advantages anyway, but lines have to be drawn somewhere.

The only rule is kill or be killed.If increasing levels of scientific innovation is what helps keep children alive, you bet your ass that's what it will come down to, as it should.

Are you for real?

Really?

Increasing scientific innovations will reduce the risk? What risk Boruto was facing in there but a loss? And if everyone is using more dangerous tools how would that reduce the risk? It's like saying add guns in a Karate competition to reduce the risk of a kick that may prove fatal.

On real missions anyone can provide them tools or they may bring their own. But before giving them anything it's better if it's known what they can do without one.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's a contest testing whose the best ninja not whose the best Pokemon master

Kote devices undermine the spirit of the chunin exams

As I've already said, these exams aren't fun little games and competitions. These are exams to test which shinobi can effectively carry out a life or death mission to defend their village and their people. There is no "spirit of the exams." Shinobi don't play by the rules in the field, they shouldn't play by any rules in a practical exam.

There are a lot of sports/competitions that can get you killed. Doesn't mean the participants should be allowed to cheat because of the risk. No one said new gadgets were inherently bad but it was to give them a level field in relative terms. Some people will have advantages anyway lines have to be draws somewhere.

No, lines absolutely do not have to be drawn anywhere. The chunin exams are designed to test which shinobi can better carry out the mission. Shinobi do not care about fairness or cheating, they care about who lives and who dies.

Are you for real?

Really?

Increasing scientific innovations will reduce the risk? What risk Boruto was facing in there but a loss? And if everyone is using more dangerous tools how would that reduce the risk? It's like saying add guns in a Karate competition to reduce the risk of a kick that may prove fatal.

On real missions anyone can provide them tools or they may bring their own. But before giving them anything it's better if it's known what they can do without one.

Reply to the rest of my comment directed toward our debate, then I'll respond.

-EDIT- Ok, your response was dumb enough to warrant a response.

The chunin exams are designed to test which shinobi can better carry out the mission. Shinobi do not care about fairness or cheating, they care about who lives and who dies.

This isn't a ****ing karate competition, this is essentially Navy Seal graduation exams. Jesus christ. Ninja tools, science, ****ing guns all help a Shinobi protect their village and their country, so yes, they should be allowed in an exam designed to determine who can best protect their village and their country.

By restricting real advantages available in the field, this examination turns into a game, which is exactly what you can't get past. There is absolutely no sentence you should type toward me with the word "lose" in it, because losing is the product of a child's failure in a game, dying or allowing terrorism to wipe out your village is the product of a Shinobi's failure.

 

[Avani]

As I've already said, these exams aren't fun little games and competitions. These are exams to test which shinobi can effectively carry out a life or death mission to defend their village and their people. There is no "spirit of the exams." Shinobi don't play by the rules in the field, they shouldn't play by any rules in a practical exam.

No, lines absolutely do not have to be drawn anywhere. The chunin exams are designed to test which shinobi can better carry out the mission. Shinobi do not care about fairness or cheating, they care about who lives and who dies.[/B

That's just your opinion man, and the manga contest organizers disagreed. It's as Sagebee put it: "It's a contest testing whose the best ninja not whose the best Pokemon master."

They were checking aptitude of the shinobies to become a chunin and didn't try escalating it to yet another level with kote devices. That's within reason even if you wish it wasn't so.

Didn't read. Reply to my comments directed toward our debate, then I'll respond.

Lol I had. Nothing convincing there. You kept skipping replies to points that didn't suit you only to insist that it shouldn't have rules.

 

[The Necromancer]

That's just your opinion man, and the manga contest organizers disagreed. It's as Sagebee put it: "It's a contest testing whose the best ninja not whose the best Pokemon master."

They were checking aptitude of the shinobies to become a chunin and didn't try escalating it to yet another level with kote devices. That's within reason even if you wish it wasn't so.



Lol I had. Nothing convincing there. You kept skipping replies to points that didn't suit you only to insist that it shouldn't have rules.

Alright. You're done.

Your only justification so far has been "That's how it goes. Rules are rules" and that's ****ing retarded.

Skipping over my paragraphs and specific examples to prove a point is one thing. Skipping over my paragraphs and specific examples to prove no point is just sad.

This site has become such a joke. Not a logical thought between the rest of the members here.

 

[Avani]

Alright. You're done.

Your only justification so far has been "That's how it goes. Rules are rules" and that's ****ing retarded.

Skipping over my paragraphs and specific examples to prove a point is one thing. Skipping over my paragraphs and specific examples to prove no point is just sad.

This site has become such a joke. Not a logical thought between the rest of the members here.

What a pretender!

The original poster asked why Boruto's use of tool was wrong. If you were actually reading, Sagebee and I both, gave the reasoning why it was wrong to use it, and why it was not a good idea to allow Kote devices in the contest in subsequent posts.

You disagreed and that was fine till you could accept that we disagreed. That's why I pointed out that in this case I find the writer's reasoning valid enough.

You keep saying there shouldn't be any rules and then get mad because you can't convince me otherwise. I'm sorry if you wanted it escalated and it didn't, but it worked for me just fine.

Don't try to turn in to anything more. There is a concept of agreeing to disagree and moving on, which escapes you and many others who think they must force down their own ideas down others throat. That's the problem.

Edit: Noticed your edit in the post where you said you wouldn't respond. Yea that edit too was stupid. Navy seals in Narutoverse would be more like ANBU or root not just chunins. Iruka is a chunin. Are your navy seals at that level only? Besides navy seals are not suppose to test their weapons fatally on other participants in the exams or are they? Don't answer. That's not a real question.

It's a martial art verse it's not going to undermine that aspect even if it acknowledges importance of tools. If you think it must go another way you are setting up yourself for disappointment.

 

[Conspirator.]

He used them in a test where the tools weren't permitted, so that's what was wrong, not the tools themselves. I think it's good that the Chunin exam prohibits the usage of such tools, as it's better for the upcoming ninja to get the fundamentals down pat without getting over-reliant on using the ninja tools. Ideally after the ninja has grown and developed the scientific ninja tools would just be yet another weapon at their disposal, but not something they lean too heavily on.

 

[super michael]

There is a difference between a ninja relying on kote device and a ninja who uses puppet.

When a ninja who uses kote breaks they have nothing to attack or defend.

When a puppet breaks they can use their skill to manipulate or fix. They can control some object and people around them.

A kote user will be left useless if broken, while a puppet user still has choice even if puppet breaks.

 

[DiamondxDust]

He didn't become the Hokage first