So Madara is alive

[Kakooli]

Again nice try. Original post referred to Hasirama always getting the better of Madara in adult-hood. You know this because you responded with a reference to Sasuke and Naruto as children, which diverted the conversation from adult-hood to childhood.




Never once said Madara>Hashi as a child. You're confusing me questioning why you felt Hashi>Madara as a child with me having the inverse opinion....probably because you suck at reading. I technically never even said Madara=Hashi as a child. I only referenced two fighters being on equal footing during a comment about a 1 tomoe sharingan, not directly related to Madara and Hashi. Now, I do feel they were more or less equal as kids, but again I never said such, I only questioned you as you were the one that brought it up after your Naruto/Sasuke childhood reference failed.




Yes, I did go off topic. I clearly stated so in my post, a big difference from what you are doing in a bad attempt to misconstrue my comments to win an argument. Me making an off topic post and stating so off the bat is not the same as you responding to my post and then veering off topic once your initial argument loses ground.

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I know this is off topic but I wonder if Hashirama always got the best of Madara because Hago picked Ashura over Indra, and Naruto and Sasuke finally ended in a draw because Hago picked them both. I wonder if all of Ashura's transmigrants roflstomped Indra's before this too

Lies. The vast majority of your scan referred to events from Naruto and Sasuke's childhood, not adulthood. Also, the point of your scan was to say that Sasuke was superior in adulthood too, why not state this afterwards? When I responded to your scan that it was in their childhood, rather than say what you're saying now, you turned focus to Hashirama and Madara as children. You veered off topic rather than continuing with your original argument, further proving my point that you're only trying to be right about something as opposed to making a point. You literally just solo'd yourself right here.




No it doesn't contradict at all. Because again, you were the one that made Madara and Hashirama's childhood the new focal point of the topic. So my comment about them not sharing the same trend of Ashura and Indra was referring to their childhood, whereas my original post was referring to the real adult-hood battles actually meant to represent the war and fights between transmigrants.

Either you are confused because you let your arguments go all over the place by changing topics, or this again this is just a really bad attempt at misconstruing my comments. I've already posted sufficient proof for this one in the previous spoilers above.

Now that that's all cleared up and it's obvious you just wanted to argue, shall we continue or discuss something else?

I know this is off topic but I wonder if Hashirama always got the best of Madara because Hago picked Ashura over Indra, and Naruto and Sasuke finally ended in a draw because Hago picked them both. I wonder if all of Ashura's transmigrants roflstomped Indra's before this too

The BIB is lies. You said Hashirama ALWAYS got the better of Madara as this quote above shows. If you say always I'm going to assume you meant childhood too. You make no mention of this trend being solely restricted to adulthood and that's why I called you out. Also, the scans I used weren't just limited to Sasuke/Naruto's childhood, there were 2 adult scans there also. You're choosing to see what you want to see to suit your narrative.

It was obvious that you disagreed with my statement that Hashi>Madara as kids and you've admitted that you now believe they were equals during this period. Absolutely nothing wrong with my comprehension skills since I seemed to deduce what you believed, as you admitted.

When I presented scans of Sasuke solo'ing Naruto as a child and adult, I assumed it would be obvious to you that I was referring to Sasuke>Naruto during childhood and adulthood.

Bad reading skills, veering off topic, changing arguments...You accuse me of all these things but you've done it yourself. If you want to hammer on about this just pm me now and I'll chat with you, no problem. But I'm gonna call it a day derailing this thread anymore.

 

[Troyg39]

The BIB is lies. You said Hashirama ALWAYS got the better of Madara as this quote above shows. If you say always I'm going to assume you meant childhood too.

But your first response was of Naruto and Sasuke not Hashirama and Madara. Following this logic, it would've made more sense to open up with Hashi and Madara as kids.

You make no mention of this trend being solely restricted to adulthood and that's why I called you out.

Clearly couldn't understand my post.

Also, the scans I used weren't just limited to Sasuke/Naruto's childhood, there were 2 adult scans there also.

Irrelevant. The vast majority related to their childhood. And when I pointed this out, rather than mention your post was about their adulthood too, you changed subjects to Hashirama and Madara's childhood because you were too busy trying to make me wrong about something. Proof is in my previous post.

You're choosing to see what you want to see to suit your narrative

You responded to my post. So my post was the narrative. What are you talking about.

It was obvious that you disagreed with my statement that Hashi>Madara as kids and you've admitted that you now believe they were equals during this period. Absolutely nothing wrong with my comprehension skills since I seemed to deduce what you believed, as you admitted.

I thought I originally said Madara>Hashi according to you? Didn't your comprehension skills lead you to that conclusion?

Also, you accused me of stating these things. I didn't tell you what my opinion of Hashi/Madara as kids was until my last post. I never stated such prior. So yes your reading skills do suck even more than you realize.

When I presented scans of Sasuke solo'ing Naruto as a child and adult, I assumed it would be obvious to you that I was referring to Sasuke>Naruto during childhood and adulthood.

Then why continue with my comment and change the subject to Hashirama and Madara's childhood?

Bad reading skills, veering off topic, changing arguments...You accuse me of all these things but you've done it yourself. If you want to hammer on about this just pm me now and I'll chat with you, no problem. But I'm gonna call it a day derailing this thread anymore.

I'm not going to chat with you, you don't have to pretend like I'm the only one continuing this conversation that you started. If you're done just say you're done and stop posting. Otherwise feel free to respond like you've been doing and I will get back at you.

and @bold: So now you were arguing with me to derail the thread, yet you yourself pointed out the topic of my comment had nothing to do with the thread. So did you come at me because you were scared to take on Femme?

 

[Kakooli]

But your first response was of Naruto and Sasuke not Hashirama and Madara.



Clearly couldn't understand my post.



Yet it literally took you until now to say this. You changed subjects to Hashi and Madara's childhood in the actual conversation. Proof is in my previous post.



You responded to my post. So my post was the narrative. What are you talking about



I thought I originally said Madara>Hashi according to you? Didn't your comprehension skills lead you to that conclusion?



Then why continue with my comment and change the subject to Hashirama and Madara's childhood?



I'm not going to chat with you, you don't have to pretend like I'm the only one continuing this conversation that you started. If you're done just say you're done and stop posting. Otherwise feel free to respond like you've been doing and I will get back at you.

and @bold: So now you were arguing with me to derail the thread, yet you yourself pointed out the topic of my comment had nothing to do with the thread. So did you come at me because you were scared to take on Femme?

No, if you read my posts you'd know what I said. You constantly changed your arguments before reaching the conclusion that Child Madara=Child Hashirama

This is your first argument.

I know this is off topic but I wonder if Hashirama always got the best of Madara because Hago picked Ashura over Indra, and Naruto and Sasuke finally ended in a draw because Hago picked them both. I wonder if all of Ashura's transmigrants roflstomped Indra's before this too

Then when I questioned this you said:

The rule wasn't broken, Indra was the superior child, it was in adult-hood that Ashura outshined him

The BIB implies that Madara was superior as a child. You even went as far as implying that they were equals only because Madara didn't use his sharingan as a child

They tied in the practice fights you just didn't read well enough. Again context.

don't underestimate the difference a 1 tomoe can make in a fight where both opponents are otherwise equal.

And then you backtracked further by saying they were "pretty much equals" as kids and came up with a new theory that the trends in their relationship as transmigrants didn't match those of previous transmigrants.

You're going around in circles with your posts lol. Also, cool it with the armchair psychology, why would I be scared to tackle femme's thread when I don't have any objections to her points?

 

[Troyg39]

No, if you read my posts you'd know what I said.

Ok I'll read your post again.

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You're the one who said the BIB then backtracked and said Madara>Hashi as a child[/B], followed by Madara=Hashi as a child. It's you who has the problem with needing to feel right all the time. You're also the one who went off topic on this thread so don't preach to me about that. Sasuke was superior to Naruto for the majority of adulthood too (as my scan showed) solo'ing him at the start of part 2, in the middle of part 2 Naruto admits he couldn't beat a blind, exhausted Sasuke without the kyuubi and by the end of part 2 they tied.

^^Is this not you accusing me of first stating Madara>Hashi as a child, and then stating Madara=Hashi as a child?

If so, then you were wrong and your reading skills suck, as prior to this post, I stated neither. You assumed I felt Madara>Hashi as a child because I questioned why you believed Hashi>Madara, then when you saw that my opinion of them was more on equal footing, you accused me of stating Madara=Hashi as a child, when in fact I had stated neither prior to this point.

You didn't deduce what my opinion was, you took stabs in the dark at the possibilities until I confirmed one for you.

You constantly changed your arguments before reaching the conclusion that Child Madara=Child Hashirama

@bold: This isn't a conclusion I reached while arguing with you. It is my opinion that I've had well before I even knew you existed.

As far as changing arguments, no. I let you veer off topic and entertained you because I was trying to see if you were going to say anything relevant to my original point, which wasn't about the power levels of kid Hashi and Madara, but whether or not Hago picking Ashura over Indra and starting the transmigrant war (which happened in adulthood btw) led to other unknown transmigrants of Ashura and Indra to follow the same pattern of Ashura's transmigrants overcoming Indra's during the transmigrant fights (which most fights representing the transmigrant war that we've seen happened not in childhood but adulthood btw)

This is your first argument.

See that's how I know your reading skills suck. My first post wasn't an argument at all. It was a series of questions. I wasn't arguing anything with anyone. I wasn't trying to make a point. So now we know you responded to my original post trying to argue against something that your poor reading skills and imagination made up.

What's even sadder is that you actually bolded a small part of my post about Hashirama and Madara that wasn't even the SUBJECT of my post to begin with, and you're trying to make it my main argument What's even sadder is you acknowledge you read my first post and picked out the part about Hashi/Madara, yet your following response was about Sasuke/Naruto.

Then when I questioned this you said:

Yes, I posted that Indra was the superior child in response to your scan that mostly contained images from Naruto and Sasuke's childhood that you were trying to use to say Naruto/Sasuke didn't fit the Ashura/Indra trend because Sasuke was superior as a child. To which you completely went away from and mentioned Hashirama and Madara's childhood when you realized that made no sense.

The BIB implies that Madara was superior as a child.

If that's what you got out of my original post that's fine. But that doesn't explain why your first response had nothing to do with Madara or Hashi as kids. You tried to argue with Naruto and Sasuke first, resorting to Hashi/Madara only after that failed. It's clear you're only focusing on Madara now because you're backed into a corner. You mentioned nothing about this during the initial conversation. It's ok dude you just wanted to argue.

The subject is about the transmigrant wars, which started between Ashura and Indra in adulthood. Though Madara and Hashirama fought as kids, the battles that truly represent the transmigrant war between Ashura and Indra were most shown with them as adults. The same with Sasuke and Naruto. Though their first VOTE fight was symbolic, I don't think many people count that as true representation of the transmigrant war. That wasn't a fight over their ideals as much as it was a fight to keep Sasuke in the leaf village.

So when I posed the question as to whether or not Ashura's transmigrants got the better of Indra's, I was referring to the more serious battles likely experienced in adulthood.

You even went as far as implying that they were equals only because Madara didn't use his sharingan as a child

Again my opinion of kid Hashi and Madara being more or less equals was my opinion before this conversation, and something I didn't state prior to you making the assumption.

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Now, I do feel they were more or less equal as kids, but again I never said such, I only questioned you as you were the one that brought it up after your Naruto/Sasuke childhood reference failed.

The comment involving the 1 tomoe wasn't about Hashi, Madara specifically, as I've already covered. It was a general statement about the impact a 1 tomoe sharingan a make in a fight against opponents more or less on equal footing.

I said they were more or less equal as kids, implying a fight could've gone either way against them, which is contrary to your original point of Hashi>Madara as a child, which you could very well be right in, however, as it has nothing to do with my original question. The practice fights of kid Madara and Hashi do not truly represent the tranmsigrant war, which is why you focusing so much on this is so stupid.

And then you backtracked further by saying they were "pretty much equals" as kids and came up with a new theory that the trends in their relationship as transmigrants didn't match those of previous transmigrants

Only in terms of their childhood, because that's where you took the conversation, and again, irrelevant to my original question about unknown transmigrants. Idk why you keep trying to act like I'm the one veering off topic when I made the original post that you responded to, and I've been answering your inquires ever since. You started the conversation so I let you steer the conversation, take ownership of the fact that you drove it off track

You're going around in circles with your posts lol. Also, cool it with the armchair psychology, why would I be scared to tackle femme's thread when I don't have any objections to her points?

Now this I admit I threw out there to **** with you. I wanted to see if you would just jump right in and start making an argument out of it like what got us here.

But I am tired of going in circles, so to bring it all full circle, how does anything you've said to me since originally responding to my post answer this? Please explain so we can conclude this.

I know this is off topic but I wonder if Hashirama always got the best of Madara because Hago picked Ashura over Indra, and Naruto and Sasuke finally ended in a draw because Hago picked them both. I wonder if all of Ashura's transmigrants roflstomped Indra's before this too

 

[Kakooli]

Ok I'll read your post again.

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You're the one who said the BIB then backtracked and said Madara>Hashi as a child[/B], followed by Madara=Hashi as a child. It's you who has the problem with needing to feel right all the time. You're also the one who went off topic on this thread so don't preach to me about that. Sasuke was superior to Naruto for the majority of adulthood too (as my scan showed) solo'ing him at the start of part 2, in the middle of part 2 Naruto admits he couldn't beat a blind, exhausted Sasuke without the kyuubi and by the end of part 2 they tied.

^^Is this not you accusing me of first stating Madara>Hashi as a child, and then stating Madara=Hashi as a child?

If so, then you were wrong and your reading skills suck, as prior to this post, I stated neither. You assumed I felt Madara>Hashi as a child because I questioned why you believed Hashi>Madara, then when you saw that my opinion of them was more on equal footing, you accusing me of stating Madara=Hashi as a child, when in fact I had stated neither prior to this point.

You didn't deduce what opinion was, you took stabs in the dark at the possibilities until I confirmed one for you.



@bold: This isn't a conclusion I reached while arguing with you. It is my opinion that I've had well before I even knew you existed.

As far as changing arguments, no. I let you veer off topic and entertained you because I was trying to see if you were going to say anything relevant to my original point, which wasn't about the power levels of kid Hashi and Madara, but whether or not Hago picking Ashura over Indra and starting the transmigrant war (which happened in adulthood btw) led to other unknown transmigrants of Ashura and Indra to follow the same pattern of Ashura's transmigrants overcoming Indra's during the transmigrant fights (which most fights representing the transmigrant war happened not in childhood but adulthood btw)




See that's how I know your reading skills suck. My first post wasn't an argument at all. It was a series of questions. I wasn't arguing anything with anyone. I wasn't trying to make a point. So now we know you responded to my original post trying to argue against something that you're poor reading skills and imagination made up.

What's even sadder is that you actually bolded a small part of my post about Hashirama and Madara that wasn't even the SUBJECT of my post to begin with, and you're trying to make it my main argument What's even sadder is you acknowledge you read my first post and picked out the part about Hashi/Madara, yet your following response was about Sasuke/Naruto.




Yes, I posted that Indra was the superior child in response to your scan that mostly contained images from Naruto and Sasuke's childhood that you were trying to use to say Naruto/Sasuke didn't fit the Ashura/Indra trend because Sasuke was superior as a child. To which you completely went away from and mentioned Hashirama and Madara's childhood when you realized that made no sense.






If that's what you got out of my original post that's fine. But that doesn't explain why your first response had nothing to do with Madara or Hashi as kids. You tried to argue with Naruto and Sasuke first, resorting to Hashi/Madara only after that failed. It's clear you're only focusing on Madara now because you're backed into a corner. You mentioned nothing about this during the initial conversation. It's ok dude you just wanted to argue.

The subject is about the transmigrant wars, which started between Ashura and Indra in adulthood. Though Madara and Hashirama fought as kids, the battles that truly represent the transmigrant war between Ashura and Indra were most shown with them as adults. The same with Sasuke and Naruto. Though their first VOTE fight was symbolic, I don't think many people count that as true representation of the transmigrant war. That wasn't a fight over their ideals as much as it was a fight to keep Sasuke in the leaf village.

So when I posed the question as to whether or not Ashura's transmigrants got the better of Indra's, I was referring to the more serious battles likely experienced in adulthood.




Again my opinion of kid Hashi and Madara being more or less equals was my opinion before this conversation, and something I didn't state prior to you making the assumption.


The comment involving the 1 tomoe wasn't about Hashi, Madara specifically, as I've already covered. It was a general statement about the impact a 1 tomoe sharingan a make in a fight against opponents more or less on equal footing.

I said they were more or less equal as kids, implying a fight could've gone either way against them, which is contrary to your original point of Hashi>Madara as a child, which you could very well be right in, however, as it has nothing to do with my original question. The practice fights of kid Madara and Hashi do not truly represent the tranmsigrant war, which is why you focusing so much on this is so stupid.



Only in terms of their childhood, because that's where you took the conversation, and again, irrelevant to my original question about unknown transmigrants. Idk why you keep trying to act like I'm the one veering off topic when I made the original post that you responded to, and I've been answering your inquires ever since. You started the conversation so I let you steer the conversation, take ownership of the fact that you drove it off track



Now this I admit I threw out there to **** with you. I wanted to see if you would just jump right in and start making an argument out of it like what got us here.

But I am tired of going in circles, so to bring it all full circle, how does anything you've said to me since originally responding to my post answer this? Please explain so we can conclude this.

Another wall of text to reiterate the same points you've made over and over again whilst failing to read what I said. You make stuff up as you go along, dude.

I've countered everything you've said already and still you make the same points. It's boring now. I don't know if this is some pissing contest where you're trying to get the last word in order to claim "victory" or something. The male ego really is fragile after all.

 

[Troyg39]

Another wall of text to reiterate the same points you've made over and over again whilst failing to read what I said. You make stuff up as you go along, dude.

I've countered everything you've said already and still you make the same points. It's boring now. I don't know if this is some pissing contest where you're trying to get the last word in order to claim "victory" or something. The male ego really is fragile after all.

Dude we've both been responding to one another, saying the same things. I'm not trying to get the last word anymore than you are I told you earlier I'm responding to you. I gave you the chance to freely stop a long time ago but you kept responding. I don't have much going on today so I don't mind continuing but again, just don't respond to me if you're done.

*****s kill me when they think ending with "wall of text" or "I've countered everything and you're saying the same stuff" is supposed to mean you made a point

EDIT: I knew you were going to +rep me after that classic NB shit