[Discussion] So Madara died 16 years ago?

[GdaTyler]

The only way Obito would have become so strong and have Madara know him, is probably because he was trained by him. I don't know why Madara looks so young when reincarnated so was he once before? Anyways it seems he died before Tobi fought Minato. Please no hate. I don't hate that Tobi is Obito, I'm just surprised and just trying to patch up the holes and clear things up...

 

[SilverSlick]

Given Nagato's age, he died 35-45 years ago

 

[Legendary Broly]

it is not the only way actually that he could become so strong:|

 

[Dark Matter Thief]

Madara died shortly after gaining his Rinnegan. Since Nagato had the Rinnegan during the Second World War, and was a little kid at that, then Madara died before that war. That was way before the village was attacked by Obito/Tobi.

 

[NaruAwesome]

no, no, no, first of all, madara died after the battle with the 1st but managed to create zestu. zestu probably was madara messenger and collected eyes when the uchiha died. so maybe obito was still alived and zestu feed him hatred and anger.

 

[Koha]

He would've died right before the ending of the Second Great Ninja War.
And seeing how the Sannin were in their LATE Teens there, I don't see how Obito would've even been born yet. & Nagato had just gotten the Rinnegan by then, transplanted into Nagato's eyes. So... Yeah, he would be dead most likely. So around 34+ years he's been dead.

 

[jt1891]

No; Madara would have only died during the Second War if he had activated his Rinnegan by then and given it to Nagato. Given that Tobi's words to Konan are the only reason we have to believe that Nagato's eyes aren't his own, we really have no reason to believe this.

Is it possible that Madara did die then? Yeah. Is it proven? Not really. Anything that comes out of Tobi's mouth is suspect, quite frankly.

 

[venuboppudi]

may be all wars in the series are linked ,so that madara could achieve his dream by first killing all the strongest shinobi and then using his justu on weaker ones who can't resist

 

[SilverSlick]

No; Madara would have only died during the Second War if he had activated his Rinnegan by then and given it to Nagato. Given that Tobi's words to Konan are the only reason we have to believe that Nagato's eyes aren't his own, we really have no reason to believe this.

Is it possible that Madara did die then? Yeah. Is it proven? Not really. Anything that comes out of Tobi's mouth is suspect, quite frankly.

Lol, it came out of Madara's mouth that he died after unlocking Rinnegan.

 

[jt1891]

Lol, it came out of Madara's mouth that he died after unlocking Rinnegan.

Yes. But we don't know -when- he managed to do so.

 

[xeL0wns]

hmm

 

[supino]

The only way Obito would have become so strong and have Madara know him, is probably because he was trained by him. I don't know why Madara looks so young when reincarnated so was he once before? Anyways it seems he died before Tobi fought Minato. Please no hate. I don't hate that Tobi is Obito, I'm just surprised and just trying to patch up the holes and clear things up...

in order for him to actually know Obito, let alone train him or be his mentor, then he must have died more recently than previously thought. besides it also explains how Kabuto located his grave, it would had been harder to find the place if it was 35-40 years old.

it could also explain in a way that line Obito used when confronting Minato and the latter asked him if he was Madara and that he couldn't be as Madara was dead.

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[3MESSIAH]

i think he died after giving his rinnegan to nagato and that was before obito even got crushed by a rock,which is weird,because madara and tobi seemed to know each other,so tobi being obito still doesnt add up.....:shrug:

 

[OnPoint]

The only thing I can say is that perhaps Nagato being given the actual Rinnegan was a lie, because i'm pretty certain that the man Itachi spoke to was Madara.

 

[supino]

The only thing I can say is that perhaps Nagato being given the actual Rinnegan was a lie, because i'm pretty certain that the man Itachi spoke to was Madara.

if the man Itachi spoke to was Madara, then Madara was alive until really very recently... i don't know, not criticizing here or anything, as what you say is also what i believe. just saying that the timeline is all messed up.

 

[OnPoint]

if the man Itachi spoke to was Madara, then Madara was alive until really very recently... i don't know, not criticizing here or anything, as what you say is also what i believe. just saying that the timeline is all messed up.

Yeah well, I say that for a variety of reasons since;

- This is a visual manga, and as such, visual clues are to be picked up on. Tobi suddenly having long hair is certainly a clue left to us by Kishimoto. Why would Tobi randomly grow his hair and then cut it again? I don't buy into the fact that there was only one Tobi.
- Obito received a 1 in the databooks with regards to intelligence. Am I to believe he trolled the shinobi world single handedly? lol.
- Minato and Itachi, cited as being among the smartest characters in this manga, were not wrong. Minato had an initial hunch that Tobi could be Madara, whilst Itachi was especially sure that the man he met was Madara, and for good reason to.
- Kishimoto confirmed in an interview that Madara and Tobi do know eachother. If Tobi really is Obito in body, mind & soul (which I doubt at this point in the manga), Madara would've lived up until at least Kakashi Gaiden.

I just wholly think Madara was the brains behind the operation whilst "Obito" was the 'brawn' (if you can call it that). After all, Madara would've been over 100 years old by that point and surely in no condition to fight.

 

[p0002q]

Madara has Hashirama's DNA in him.

Kabuto revived Madara "beyond his prime"

To me that means, with the rinnegan AND a health youthful body

 

[captainEO]

Yeah well, I say that for a variety of reasons since;

- This is a visual manga, and as such, visual clues are to be picked up on. Tobi suddenly having long hair is certainly a clue left to us by Kishimoto. Why would Tobi randomly grow his hair and then cut it again? I don't buy into the fact that there was only one Tobi.
- Obito received a 1 in the databooks with regards to intelligence. Am I to believe he trolled the shinobi world single handedly? lol.
- Minato and Itachi, cited as being among the smartest characters in this manga, were not wrong. Minato had an initial hunch that Tobi could be Madara, whilst Itachi was especially sure that the man he met was Madara, and for good reason to.
- Kishimoto confirmed in an interview that Madara and Tobi do know eachother. If Tobi really is Obito in body, mind & soul (which I doubt at this point in the manga), Madara would've lived up until at least Kakashi Gaiden.

I just wholly think Madara was the brains behind the operation whilst "Obito" was the 'brawn' (if you can call it that). After all, Madara would've been over 100 years old by that point and surely in no condition to fight.

But that can't work because of the timeline.

Edo Madara still looks quite young = 30s, 40s most. That would be impossible if he survived until Obito's time. You can verify this by using Tsunade's age, he'd look like Hiruzen in terms of maturation.

But the main problem is that he gave Nagato his Rinnegan.
He said "I died shortly after awakening these eyes", and he knows of Nagato. He says, "that brat finally grew up".
This means he met Nagato but died before he matured.
Nagato awoke the Rinnegan as a young child, certainly before adolescence.
So Madara must have died around that point, hence he could never have met Obito.

 

[OnPoint]

But that can't work because of the timeline.

Edo Madara still looks quite young = 30s, 40s most. That would be impossible if he survived until Obito's time. You can verify this by using Tsunade's age, he'd look like Hiruzen in terms of maturation.

But the main problem is that he gave Nagato his Rinnegan.
He said "I died shortly after awakening these eyes", and he knows of Nagato. He says, "that brat finally grew up".
This means he met Nagato but died before he matured.
Nagato awoke the Rinnegan as a young child, certainly before adolescence.
So Madara must have died around that point, hence he could never have met Obito.

- And that's why Kabuto completed him to 'beyond his prime'.
- Nagato either; gained Uchiha DNA and not the eyes themselves, awakened it naturally by himself (making Tobi a liar) or Kishi is going to retcon that statement. Kishimoto already confirmed that Tobi and Madara know eachother, so; Madara lived until Kakashi Gaiden (if Tobi is 100% Obito) or Tobi simply isn't Obito in mind or soul.

 

[supino]

But that can't work because of the timeline.

Edo Madara still looks quite young = 30s, 40s most. That would be impossible if he survived until Obito's time. You can verify this by using Tsunade's age, he'd look like Hiruzen in terms of maturation.

But the main problem is that he gave Nagato his Rinnegan.
He said "I died shortly after awakening these eyes", and he knows of Nagato. He says, "that brat finally grew up".
This means he met Nagato but died before he matured.
Nagato awoke the Rinnegan as a young child, certainly before adolescence.
So Madara must have died around that point, hence he could never have met Obito.

as this person said, edo Madara is special:

Madara has Hashirama's DNA in him.

Kabuto revived Madara "beyond his prime"

To me that means, with the rinnegan AND a health youthful body

@Noddy; yep, but still even with the multiple Tobi theory half of all the issues are addressed...

Yeah well, I say that for a variety of reasons since;

- This is a visual manga, and as such, visual clues are to be picked up on. Tobi suddenly having long hair is certainly a clue left to us by Kishimoto. Why would Tobi randomly grow his hair and then cut it again? I don't buy into the fact that there was only one Tobi.
- Obito received a 1 in the databooks with regards to intelligence. Am I to believe he trolled the shinobi world single handedly? lol.
- Minato and Itachi, cited as being among the smartest characters in this manga, were not wrong. Minato had an initial hunch that Tobi could be Madara, whilst Itachi was especially sure that the man he met was Madara, and for good reason to.
- Kishimoto confirmed in an interview that Madara and Tobi do know eachother. If Tobi really is Obito in body, mind & soul (which I doubt at this point in the manga), Madara would've lived up until at least Kakashi Gaiden.

I just wholly think Madara was the brains behind the operation whilst "Obito" was the 'brawn' (if you can call it that). After all, Madara would've been over 100 years old by that point and surely in no condition to fight.

and for all the above reasons perfectly explained in the above posts we can ALL agree that the timeline is messed up.

if kamui has a hax power, i swear that sb has to think of chakra bending and deal with hax powers in the narutoverse once and for all!