~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~

[MAN OF SIN]

He had time to spare since Sasuke is no slouch in a fight.

Lol excuses.

 

[RoguePatriot]

A character is written poorly... if he forgives people?

 

[MAN OF SIN]

A character is written poorly... if he forgives people?

Naruto said that he wouldn't forgive Obito. Shortly later he calls him the coolest guy.

Yeah, poorly written.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Naruto said that he wouldn't forgive Obito. Shortly later he calls him the coolest guy.

Yeah, poorly written.

Makes Naruto seem a bit brain dead

 

[MAN OF SIN]

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Actually, it should have been Naruto trying to save the world like Sasuke was doing. Instead of him just standing there and crying like little b!tch. The scene should have only been between Kakashi and Obito.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

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That would give the most dark and pathetic lesson.

 

[Made in Heaven]

No it wouldn't have. There are certain crimes that can only be cleansed by deaths, not crying or good deeds

 

[Cael]

Actually, it should have been Naruto trying to save the world like Sasuke was doing. Instead of him just standing there and crying like little b!tch. The scene should have only been between Kakashi and Obito.

Did you miss the part where sasuke didn't do shit and naruto slice off kaguya arms.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

But Obito was not a bad guy when he died. It would make no sense to give him a panel where he would ask for forgiveness. Like they say actions speak louder than words. His actions may have caused pain and suffering. But he died a hero who tried to repent for his crimes by saving the Ninja World.

 

[Shinato]

Naruto is about forgiveness and not giving into the hatred of the world. To see past your own thoughts and feelings, and witness the world for what it really is. Naruto may not really care for Obito all that much, but he cares and will always care for what Obito died for, and what Obito fought for, his own dream. Naruto values the fact of having a dream higher than anything, he will fight and protect his own dream and everyone else's. That is his character and that is the story, to fight to protect, to endure to succeed.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto is about forgiveness and not giving into the hatred of the world. To see past your own thoughts and feelings, and witness the world for what it really is. Naruto may not really care for Obito all that much, but he cares and will always care for what Obito died for, and what Obito fought for, his own dream. Naruto values the fact of having a dream higher than anything, he will fight and protect his own dream and everyone else's. That is his character and that is the story, to fight to protect, to endure to succeed.

This guy understands Naruto more than some do. +1 rep

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Did you miss the part where sasuke didn't do shit and naruto slice off kaguya arms.

Yeah, after the Black Zetsu laughed at the low life.

Naruto is about forgiveness and not giving into the hatred of the world. To see past your own thoughts and feelings, and witness the world for what it really is. Naruto may not really care for Obito all that much, but he cares and will always care for what Obito died for, and what Obito fought for, his own dream. Naruto values the fact of having a dream higher than anything, he will fight and protect his own dream and everyone else's. That is his character and that is the story, to fight to protect, to endure to succeed.

Naruto actually said he wouldn't forgive Obito several chapters ago.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

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Didn't someone already posted a page back when Naruto was talking to Obito about how he will never forgive him for his crimes and that he should turn himself as Obito Uchiha .

I mean we already know Naruto didn't forgive him. So there's no need to change the text .
Can't believe people still can't grasp that.
If Obito was still alive after the war he's still going to pay for his crimes.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

So when you state the bolded, you're asserting that someone from the real world would not have done what naruto did if they didn't live the same life Naruto had and didn't hold the same beliefs/goals that naruto does. Well what do you base that assertion on?

No I didn't based off that, I'm stating that this is normally inconsistent to most humanity and such strange phenomenon, when you simpily fogive someone easily it doesn't always work that way. Usually how this world works is that if there's a hero who holds the same belief to stop war, but some guy killed your family, all your close friends, and your relatives, and destroyed everything you cherished, at some point you can't forgive a criminal who caused all your pain for the majority of the time, but you could give respect for an enemy who payed for their sins. This is how the world of logics works and You don't have to agree since you're one of the "odd" who could forgive anyone that ruin your life or perhaps you're a "Narutards" but however I stand by what I said.

You've literally just ignored my argument for the second time. I repeat and hopefully for the last time that NO ONE IS SAYING WHAT OBITO DID MADE UP FOR HIS CRIMES. What Obito did simply shows that he is a different person than the one who did all those crimes and therefore naruto can appreciate the person he has become. So stop ignoring what I typed.

And you literally ignored my statement, it doesn't matter that "He is a different person" and only helped for such short amount of time just so that Naruto can appreciate, none of that can make up his crime he has to go through confinement in mandatory by the fuedral lord authority in order pay for his sins, you don't simply allow a criminal to run free just because 1 person forgive doesn't make all the crimes he committed for the last 16+years. That's not how the law of judicial system works. If there's no such law exist in the Narutoverse then this is completely retarded.

For the millionth time, NARUTO ADMIRE THE OBITO WHO DID THAT, he's not guilty of morally weighing obito's sins to his goods and saying "good balance out sins so I like obito". Nope, NAruto is absolutely not doing this just to make himself satisfied, if naruto was after self satisfaction he would seek revenge against Obito or continue to harbor a grudge against obito like what you believe a normal person would want to do.

I`m not saying It's not morally wrong to feel bad how this criminal end up such as after everything Envy did, (basically kick-starting the genocide of the Ishval race, killing Hughes etc.) Ed still managed to feel sympathy for him at the moment of his death because he realized what a sorry existence he led. However that doesn`t make up the excuse for all the mistakes he did in the past. You`re right in the sense that Naruto would be satisfied in the sense of grudge on Obito which is good but either way what Naruto did when he was happy and idealizing Obito just because he was someone similar still portrays his satisfactions and it`s immoral wrong.

Why in the world would they look down on NAruto as being hypocritical? Since when did Naruto say anything that meant Obito shouldn't be forgiven?
If there's no such thing as right or wrong, then what naruto's doing isn't wrong and therefore you have no objective reason to dislike naruto's character for forgiving Obito. In fact you have no objective reason for disliking Osama, Musolini and Hitler if there is no such thing as right or wrong.
IF there is no right or wrong, then what are we even discussing this for? Why does it even matter if Naruto's friends look down on him or what most people believe or if people hate Naruto?

You ignored what I said. I told you, how the world works, if anythings happen then we view and determine to label anything that goes either right or wrong in the most consistent way. What Naruto did is wrong in the most logical manner since it does consider betrayal trust and those people who were effected by Obito has the objective reasons, and in the most reasonable way is to sent him to prison, or to execute him. Naruto will lose his democrats if he`s willing to defend obito and that is illegal. It`s as you said, not everyone dislike Osama, Musolini, or Hitler, but they still have the objective reason to get rid of them since they consider biggest threat to the word and this would put more danger on the innocents.

STop ignoring my arguments over and over again. The Obito naruto admires is not the same person who did those things. IT was never implied that Naruto 'brushed away' obito's previous actions just because he accepts the current Obito as a companion. How in the world does Naruto doing that imply disrespect or imply that Naruto has forgotten about what Obito has done to his friends in the past? The bolded is simply your opinion and a misworded opinion at that as the Obito who risked his life to save naruto obviously wasn't naruto's enemy. THis young man is far more selfless than anyone in this entire manga which is why he doesn't indulge himself in petty hatred and focuses on what actually matters, something that Naruto's other comrades might not be capable of, but in no way shape or form makes them right in doing so.

It doesn`t matter which Obito he admired, It is still trash to say that he admired someone who killed Neji, and destroyed your life. How is it admirable to say that he started a war and killed countless people regardless if he wanted to become Hokage and make up the good that he once was . He is still talking to the same person, despite which version you are trying to refer, it is still Obito, and what Obito did is despicable, and the fact that Naruto can admire and cling onto his wishes makes him even more delusional and selfish. He did brushed away Obito action because he has become unrealistic emotional strength to forgive anyone who has caused him pain, without a second thought. So how does that not imply that Naruto has forgotten about what Obito has done to his friends in the past??
So how bout you stop ignoring that what I said.

You seem to believe that in order to love one of your friends, it's necessarily true that you hate the enemies of your friend. Why in the world is that so? If you had two friends who didn't like each other, is it necessary for you to pick one of them and hate the other? Obviously not. If Naruto's relationship with his comrades was rooted in mutual hate for a certain individual then that not only craps all over the theme of ending the cycle of hatred, but it also makes their relationship pretty damn sad and illusory.

You can’t forgive and forget. You just can’t. Say You were raped, molested, abandoned, beaten, abused, cheated on, betrayed, lied about. "Forget it"? You can’t forget it. It’s impossible. How can one person will sin against another person and they’ll say, "Well, you shouldn’t even remember that.", so it's reasonable to hate an Enemy.

This bolded statement has nothing to do with what currently happening in this series...

Again, Naruto shouldn't forgive someone who caused him so much suffering, not saying he should hate because his role is to be the savior, but like I said he should give a respect like he did to nagato without going over exaggeration to feel sympathy for Obito.

That's all just a flat out assertion on your part backed with zero arguments or evidence.
1) Why shouldn't Naruto try hard to change Obito?2) Why is what naruto did impossible?
3) Why would a criminal with Obito's upbringing and goals have a change of heart like Obito did?
4) Why shouldn't naruto give pity to Obito despite not knowing literally everything about him?

Not everything can Naruto succeed by attempting to tnj every every villain and realized their mistakes and then join the good side to have his redemption because that makes Naruto look flawless character, Obito should atleast have a change of heart as soon he finally dies, that makes a much suitable ending but again it all comes to my preference.

Naruto is not the symbol of hardwork, he's the symbol of fighting for comrades. He's not the symbol of overcoming destiny, he's the symbol of being capable of defying destiny if you want to. If Naruto is prophesised to save the world, why the heck would he fight against his destiny? There's no reason, just like there's no reason why neji's whole destiny thing means that EVERYONE should defy their destiny regardless of what their destiny is. And unless you believe that Naruto couldn't simply comitt suicide right now, or he could just sit down and do nothing, then Naruto is obviously not being controlled by fate.

Part 1 tried to establish that Naruto was the symbol of 'working hard' to achieve your goals and of 'gutsiness' to never give up so that he can prove he can overcome that was controlled by fate. My point is that while Neji was right about Destiny, Neji was wrong about Naruto being born as a "loser". Naruto attempted to prove through his hard working skills can overcome a genius. After everything Naruto went through about making your own destiny and not letting yourself be controlled by fate, just when we thought Naruto was nothing special, It turns out that Naruto himself is prophesied and everything is predestined to get to this point. The point is that he was born lucky, he's a genius, he was never born as a loser to begin with, everything was predestined which contradicts him as "Nonspecial"

He's trained hard to get to where he is right now, but he always had the talent to overcome anything against all odds. Not to mention he's the "Child of Prophecy" and the "one the SO6P was talking about".

Yes, if rock lee had jinchuriki power and was able to use it, it's his power. Are you asserting that any person could become the Kyuubi's jinchuriki, and gain the ability to use KCM and BM like Naruto did? The bolded is just an assertion on your part, why does naruto not being as powerful w/o the kyuubi prove anything about Naruto w/ the kyuubi sealed into him being naruto's power or not?
Naruto absolutely did not have it easy with 'all this help' to master the kyuubi, he simply got it 'easier' than he would have had it without that help , and omg having help in no way shape or form means he is destined for greatness. So what if Killer bee had less help than Naruto in controlling the hachibi? For the millionth time Naruto's theme isn't hardwork, it's fighting for others.

So you asserted that if anybody had the Jinchuriki power and was able to use it, it's their power but there is no proof to your statement, and I've already brought my argument to the table with regarding Yamato statement, his words proven that it's not Naruto power, Kyuubi has his entity on his own. The funny thing is you're ignoring everything that I labeled countless time and contradicting to what happening in the series with that bolded statement , Naruto did received help from 8 tail ox, his mom, yamato, everything gotten easier for him, which proven my point. The only thing more "Deserving" to be his essential power if Naruto had been struggled and work his hard effort to climb up to where he was now , but everything got lucky for him which I stated before, it effected his hard working theme.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

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Yoo This is how it should've been properly done, it makes much logical sense to show Naruto feeling .

 

[Jimihendrix]

if you fail to understand the theme of the mnaga, i think it's about time you put it down.

 

[Made in Heaven]

if you fail to understand the theme of the mnaga, i think it's about time you put it down.

The theme is to admire a murderer?

 

[MAN OF SIN]

This chapter proved that Kishi is a pretentious asshat. He knows that Obito is a failure as a sympathetic villain. That's why he shows the same Rin flashbacks over and over again. Those panels just screamed "FEEL SORRY FOR THIS GUY, PLEASE". He was so desperate that he had the main character who said that he couldn't forgive him cry like b!tch and uttered the worst line in the entire series.

I can't think of a chapter worst than this. It's just disgusting.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

if you fail to understand the theme of the mnaga, i think it's about time you put it down.

You should have been a anime character. Sound so bad ass in this post.

 

[Made in Heaven]

This chapter proved that Kishi is a pretentious asshat. He knows that Obito is a failure as a sympathetic villain. That's why he shows the same Rin flashbacks over and over again. Those panels just screamed "FEEL SORRY FOR THIS GUY, PLEASE". He was so desperate that he had the main character who said that he couldn't forgive him cry like b!tch and uttered the worst line in the entire series.

I can't think of chapter worst than this. It's just disgusting.

Kishimoto shouldn't even try making us feel sorry for Obito :/