So... Kakashi has PS without EMS?

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I find this interesting. His eyes seem to be the same as before.



Yet he clearly has PS. Should that mean you can use PS with just the simple MS as long as you have the chakra for it?

Kishi what is this?
 

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Didn't he copy Sasuke's Susanoo? And also he has chakra of 2 people (Obito and himself) so it kinda makes sense
 

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Indra also uses perfect susanoo without EMS. What a shocker.
 

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EMS wasnt needed the moment Indra showed it.
 

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Didn't he copy Sasuke's Susanoo? And also he has chakra of 2 people (Obito and himself) so it kinda makes sense
Obito was out of chakra though from dimension hoping.
 

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I always said that EMS was simply a permanent mangekyo. Most people including madara who had EMS himself simply refers to it as MS.

Some people believed that EMS actually gave a person new powers. But now we know it doesn't
 

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I think so.

- Indra had PS with his MS. In fact, how could he have EMS? None had awakened MS at that time.

- Sasuke acquired/showed PS after listening to Hashirama's story. Probably he didn't know that he could stabilize V4 Susanoo's chakra armor.

- Itachi didn't know about PS too, or maybe his chakra reserves were too low?

- Kakashi, having seen Sasuke's PS, is able to conjure one on his own.
 

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I always said that EMS was simply a permanent mangekyo. Most people including madara who had EMS himself simply refers to it as MS.

Some people believed that EMS actually gave a person new powers. But now we know it doesn't
Then why didn't MS Sasuke and Itachi use PS?
 

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So Obito is able to use his eye power even in the spirit world, like a transmigrant stuff, Just like Hagoromo did and also, its almost the same as when Tsunade's boyfriend gave her chakra from the transmigrant jutsu that he did by flying to her.

Kishi has been hinting that this is possible all along but only with certain people with some form of teleportation… Even Minato and Kushina gave Naruto some chakra under different circumstances.

This time, it is Obito who used his eyes to jump back and passed it unto Kakashi, but this time he gives him the two eyes which grants him a double MS, so he can harness the true power of the sharingan eyes.

Now that I have said that, we all know that Kakashi is known for his ability to mimic or copy other people's technique… so now that he has two sharingans, he can copy any technique that is including a sharingan technique as he now has the same eyes x2…

If we noticed and think about it, the power of Obito's eyes is to copy techniques, so now that Kakashi has the two, he is able to unlock Susanoo but instead of just bringing out his own Susanoo he made it many steps better by copying Sasuke's susanoo.
Just like Kakashi is able to use water style jutsu but not as good as Kisame but if you watch when Itachi and Kisame came to the Leaf village to look for Naruto, Kakshi was able to perform Water style: water dragon on the same scale as Kisame by copying him in an instant as soon as he got the eyes he looked at Sasuke's Susanoo and copied it straight away with the double MS.
BTW He's able to unlock Susanoo with two MS (the true power comes when the two are together) so he just copied Sasuke's and just turned his own into that at the same time. Obito was also good at copying which is why he knows almost every technique, so his eye ability is to see the secret and formation of a jutsu.

However, his susanoo will not possess the same attribute like that of Sasuke (e.g deflecting light of Eternal Tsukyomi, shooting arrow or blaze release from his arm) or Madara (with four arms and swords).

These form the true powers of Obito's eyes when they are together.
Remember the MS has 3 powers and for now we know two or three for this obito's eye
1. Teleportation
2. Copying jutsus
3 I don't know if this counts but I will say passing through objects/ I think its the Susanoo (because during the beginning of the war Obito used Uchiha Kinjutsu which is like some form of susanoo part to protect the 10 tails when it was forming)

Sasuke and Itachi had
1. Susanoo 2. Amaterasu and 3. Genjutsu

So I don't understand why people are so surprised… I guess its because of how quick Kishi did it all in one chapter and it was a chapter that people didn't know what to expect…
We all knew that Kakashi would have to get the sharingan back but Kishi used our expectation to play with our mind by letting Obito crumble first and then we lost hope of Kakashi getting it back… then he made Obito come from the spirit world because he had to renew the eyes before giving it to Kakashi (if you remember their eyesight were already going bad), also the eyes can teleport which is the main reason he could come back quickly to enter inside Kakashi.

Cheer up guys!
 

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Obito was out of chakra though from dimension hoping.

Right, but that Obito died. Obito from the afterlife probably had restored energy and supplied it to Kakashi, much like the Sage with Naruto and Sasuke.
 

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he just copied sasuke's PS
 

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IT's called skill.

Neither Madara, Itachi nor sasuke has the skill to master MS Perfect susanoo. Kakashi showing uchiha's how it's done
 

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I always said that EMS was simply a permanent mangekyo. Most people including madara who had EMS himself simply refers to it as MS.

Some people believed that EMS actually gave a person new powers. But now we know it doesn't
So what Itachi said was a lie then? when he said ''he believed Sasuke would transplant his eyes to gain true power''
 

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:yayy: :yayy: kakashi is too badass to need EMS... :yayy: :yayy:
 

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Obito was out of chakra though from dimension hoping.
He died tho, maybe when he came back from spirit world he came back with chakra? (like Tsunade's lover after Edo Tensei broke)
 

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Then why didn't MS Sasuke and Itachi use PS?

Because they didn't use MS as frequently as Obito and kakashi. Sasuke started to lose his sight shortly after gaining MS. So his experience with it wasn't enough for him to push his susanoo to PS. Itachi also had a similar problem though he had MS for many years he barely used it, so he won't lose his sight.

Kakashi and especially obito have been using MS far more frequently than the above. So their experience with MS is so high that manifesting susanoo would be a simple task for them. Sasuke's experience with his MS and later EMS is what allowed him to achieve susanoo's highest level.
 

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He died tho, maybe when he came back from spirit world he came back with chakra? (like Tsunade's lover after Edo Tensei broke)
That's kinda different i think. Dan was edo and used no chakra he gave her some b4 edo was canceled Obito died with No chakra left and able to do that. Bold may be right but it doesn't make sense.
 
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