So, its official. SPOILER 661

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If you have NOT read 661 stop reading now.

Madara solos Tobirama neg diff. Honestly, I thought as much. Tobirama wasnt really much to speak of. No wonder he barely ever got screen time/ Manga panel.
FTG has been countered simply.
 

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hhaha im going to make a thread of thus
 

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I'm PRETTY certain Madara will wipe the floor with anyone at the current moment in time

Uchiha + Senju + Sage + Rinnegan > Everybody at the Mo'
 

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Tobirama at ~80% non human
Madara stolen powers from Hashirama, Obito and has 10 bijuus inside his gedo mazo right now...

what did you expect?
 

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would you expect anything less. Anybody that thought Tobirama could take on Madara, even back when he had just EMS were kidding themselves.

Tobirama is good. But Madara was and is just stronger.
 

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Damn Dat Tobirama coming in with Hiraishin-Giri and then using the Hiraishin Level 2! Plus fastest man of his Era!!

Plus the only man that can still own Madara in a talking contest!

Well now onto the main topic,

First off: The Edo Hokages aren't at their full power

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Now we saw that Tobirama was going to 1-shot Madara with Hiraishingiri here:

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The thing is Madara sensed that attack and hence survived, but how could he do it?

Answer is simple: Sage Mode!!

The senjutsu absorbed from Hashirama's body allowed him to sense that attack as Senjutsu tell you about an attack even before it happens!

Had it been EMS Madara or Rinnegan Madara with No SM then that was prolly it! Tobirama would've one-shotted his ass and he'd share the same fate as this guy who ironically was at Madara's level [As said by Itachi]

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We also know that Minato is better version of Tobirama in speed, reactions and in Hiraishin. Heck Minato could even take down this Madara with the way he took down Tobi!

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I mean for those who didn't understand, Tobirama used the same tactic as Minato did with Kunai + Hiraishin Level 2!

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Only Hashirama's Sage Mode saved Madara otherwise he was history again U_U

Also on a side note I just have to mention two more things:

One:

Madara was always wanted to kill Tobirama but couldn't? Why? because he didn't have the skill to do it Lol

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Two:

Madara needed Susanoo to block Lawd Tobirama's casual spit :snick:

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Had he not used it, he'd be dead :whip:
 

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Tobirama at ~80% non human
Madara stolen powers from Hashirama, Obito and has 10 bijuus inside his gedo mazo right now...

what did you expect?

Madara didnt steal anything from Obito. I expected the FTG to hit at least. Or give Madara a bit of trouble. But no, Madara basically fodderized FTG.
80% wouldnt effect FTG.
 

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Ftg is not as good as it once was
 

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Why? Because Uchiha/Senju/Sage hybrid man was able to counter it? No other shinobi can do that.

Bee proves you wrong, he saved his brother before Minato could stab him.
 

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Bee proves you wrong, he saved his brother before Minato could stab him.
And lost a tentacle. At least in Madaras case he came out unscathed.

Any other shinobi dared try that it would have been a limb or the head.
 

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And lost a tentacle. At least in Madaras case he came out unscathed.

Any other shinobi dared try that it would have been a limb or the head.

His tentacle was still there. Point is if ftg was a guarantee kill like many say, Bee should've never had time to react to save his brother, but he did. Which is enough for me to say their are some shinobi who can avoid it.
 

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Damn Dat Tobirama coming in with Hiraishin-Giri and then using the Hiraishin Level 2! Plus fastest man of his Era!!

Plus the only man that can still own Madara in a talking contest!

Well now onto the main topic,

First off: The Edo Hokages aren't at their full power

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Now we saw that Tobirama was going to 1-shot Madara with Hiraishingiri here:

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The thing is Madara sensed that attack and hence survived, but how could he do it?

Answer is simple: Sage Mode!!

The senjutsu absorbed from Hashirama's body allowed him to sense that attack as Senjutsu tell you about an attack even before it happens!

Had it been EMS Madara or Rinnegan Madara with No SM then that was prolly it! Tobirama would've one-shotted his ass and he'd share the same fate as this guy who ironically was at Madara's level [As said by Itachi]

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We also know that Minato is better version of Tobirama in speed, reactions and in Hiraishin. Heck Minato could even take down this Madara with the way he took down Tobi!

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I mean for those who didn't understand, Tobirama used the same tactic as Minato did with Kunai + Hiraishin Level 2!

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Only Hashirama's Sage Mode saved Madara otherwise he was history again U_U

Also on a side note I just have to mention two more things:

One:

Madara was always wanted to kill Tobirama but couldn't? Why? because he didn't have the skill to do it Lol

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Two:

Madara needed Susanoo to block Lawd Tobirama's casual spit :snick:

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Had he not used it, he'd be dead :whip:
What about when Tobirama was asking for chakra from Minato earlier to link him to naruto chakra wouldn't that be bias not mentioning that like Madara took chakra from Hashirama?

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You also have to remember Madara isn't at full power either he still needs his other rinnengan
 

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His tentacle was still there. Point is if ftg was a guarantee kill like many say, Bee should've never had time to react to save his brother, but he did. Which is enough for me to say their are some shinobi who can avoid it.
Do you know what counter means? Go look up the definition is the dictionary because I don't think you have a clue what it means. Tobirama's FTG got counter by Madara because he was able to react, evade and attack Tobirama without being hit. All Bee did was push Ay out of the way and he lost his tentacle because he was fast, but not fast enough. Also we don't know the exact moment Bee brought his tentacle out and launched it at his brother. For all we know, Bee may have been preparing his attack the moment Minato tossed his kunai passed Ay. Since it was off panel we can't say for sure.

And it doesn't matter what Bee did, he was not the target, Ay was. Ay has enhanced reflexes and speed, superior to Bee's and yet he was left only to watch as Minato's kunai was about to slice him. The important factor is that Ay was not able to react, it doesn't matter what someone else does, its all about the targets reaction (the target being Ay). So whatever Bee did wasn't very important.

Bottom line is there is no shinobi other than Madara and his OP abilities that can react to a direct FTG like Madara did. Not even Killer Bee. If Killer Bee was in Ay's shoes then he would have been dead.
 
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