[Discussion] So is sasuke rinnegan from the six paths or from the Senju DNA?

[I love pancakes]

I don't understand how Hashi cells could give anyone a rinnegan nowadays. The only reason Hashi's cells had that effect (not Senju cells) was because he was the previous incarnation of Ashura. Naruto is the current one so to achieve a rinnegan now you would need Naruto's chakra/cells.

 

[Klue]

I don't understand how Hashi cells could give anyone a rinnegan nowadays. The only reason Hashi's cells had that effect (not Senju cells) was because he was the previous incarnation of Ashura. Naruto is the current one so to achieve a rinnegan now you would need Naruto's chakra/cells.

Asura's and Indra's chakra is triggers the Rinnegan. You're basically suggesting that Hashirama's chakra is now different. Besides, how is it Madara's Edo form wielded a fake Rinnegan? Kabuto gave him Hashirama's power, and that was the result.

Hagoromo doesn't have third eye.

You can't seriously believe 9T wasn't in his arsenal. He literally gave this ocular power and its technique to Sasuke.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

This is a great question, and I personally think that Sasuke's Rinnegan is problematic and a topic blown up by his fans. We have argued about this many times, but most fanboys will not accept it as a fact - That is what Sasuke has is not a Rinnegan. There are many reasons to prove it.

(1) Rinnegan is the power of the chakra of Hagoromo - the Rikudo Sennin
(2) Rinnegan can be unlock by Indra's reincarnation only after he has taken the chakra of Ashura's reincarnation
(3) When talking to Naruto, Hagoromo clearly stated that Madara obtaining Rinnegan was a problem. Basically, Hagoromo did not like it.

What are the interpretations of the above?

(a) From point (1), if Sasuke's eye is really a Rinnegan, then it means Sasuke has all Hagoromo's chakra power.
(b) From point (2), if Sasuke's eye is really a Rinnegan, then it means Sasuke also has Ashura's power just as Madara did have Hashirama's power when he took his cells.
(c) From point (3), if Sasuke's eye is really a Rinnegan, then it means Hagoromo is simply stupid to say something and do another thing.


Obviously, you can see that Sasuke does not have all Rikudo's chakra power, and he does not have Ashura's power either. Besides, I believe that Rikudo is not stupid. Thus, I still maintains that Sasuke's eye is an updgrade to his left Sharingan to its ultimate power - that is the final Tsukyomi. Tsukyomi can manipulate time, and create powerful illusion. Thus, Sasuke's role in the fight will be to cancel the Tsukyomi with his super Sharingan.

 

[Shinato]

This is a great question, and I personally think that Sasuke's Rinnegan is problematic and a topic blown up by his fans. We have argued about this many times, but most fanboys will not accept it as a fact - That is what Sasuke has is not a Rinnegan. There are many reasons to prove it.

(1) Rinnegan is the power of the chakra of Hagoromo - the Rikudo Sennin
(2) Rinnegan can be unlock by Indra's reincarnation only after he has taken the chakra of Ashura's reincarnation
(3) When talking to Naruto, Hagoromo clearly stated that Madara obtaining Rinnegan was a problem. Basically, Hagoromo did not like it.

What are the interpretations of the above?

(a) From point (1), if Sasuke's eye is really a Rinnegan, then it means Sasuke has all Hagoromo's chakra power.
(b) From point (2), if Sasuke's eye is really a Rinnegan, then it means Sasuke also has Ashura's power just as Madara did have Hashirama's power when he took his cells.
(c) From point (3), if Sasuke's eye is really a Rinnegan, then it means Hagoromo is simply stupid to say something and do another thing.


Obviously, you can see that Sasuke does not have all Rikudo's chakra power, and he does not have Ashura's power either. Besides, I believe that Rikudo is not stupid. Thus, I still maintains that Sasuke's eye is an updgrade to his left Sharingan to its ultimate power - that is the final Tsukyomi. Tsukyomi can manipulate time, and create powerful illusion. Thus, Sasuke's role in the fight will be to cancel the Tsukyomi with his super Sharingan.

Probably because Sasuke doesn't have a Rinnegan, his eyes are Sharingans. (Always been.)

 

[Klue]

People are still denying that his eye is a Rinnegan?

Sasuke called it a Rinnegan, Black Zetsu called it a Rinnegan.

What is there to debate?

The reason why Hagoromo did not want the two powers to coexist together, because he ultimately did not want someone to guide the world with the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Rinnegan is the first step.

It's like you guys read one panel, and draw a conclusion. Continue to read the chapter. He clearly explains why he does not want someone gaining too much power. Because they end up like Kaguya.

And FYI, Light and Shadow wasn't all there was to Hagoromo's power. He was also a Jinchuuriki and a Sage.

Four abilities (Light, Shadow, Tailed Beast, Sage Arts).

Naruto has three of them. How many does Sasuke have?

For starters, he has the Rinnegan. That's two right there. And from the looks of things, his chakra is capable of harming a Juubi's Jinchuuriki, which means he must have what?

Three out of four.

 

[Xāvî1]

So I'm just curious about where Sasuke rinnegan because one could say gave it to him but the sage gave him the tattoo but were not sure about the rinnegan. i would think that if sasuke did get the rinnegan it would look like hagaromos not like kaguyas. furthermore it just bugs me is sasuke getting two rinnegans because of two different methods? or why is his rinnegan like that and everybody say it looks like a regular Rinnegan thats why I'm curious. what do you think?

[EDIT] i mean hashirama DNA that kabuto implanted to save Sasuke like why mention that be ause its technically still ashuras chakra

Isn't it obvious only sasuke's left eye is a rinnegan and the yin seal is also on sasuke's left hand. So the powerup is definitely from Hagoromo

 

[OaklandBlades]

You can not get rinnegan from senju dna. It has been stated by the sage himself that only getting his chakra ( Ashura+Indra) can you get Rinnegan.

Further more:
1.Hashirama's transmigration is over.
2.Kabuto only used them to heal sasuke.

 

[Klue]

You can not get rinnegan from senju dna. It has been stated by the sage himself that only getting his chakra ( Ashura+Indra) can you get Rinnegan.

Further more:
1.Hashirama's transmigration is over.
2.Kabuto only used them to heal sasuke.

Explain Edo Madara's Rinnegan, which disappeared after he was revived. Is that Naruto's face on his chest?

No.

Doesn't matter if Asura's transmigration is over. Hashirama still possesses the same power and chakra. His chakra is Asura's chakra; isn't that what Hagoromo said?

 

[OaklandBlades]

Dna =/= chakra, so I don't see what point you're trying to make here?
Of course it does matter, if the ashura and indra chakra stayed with you beyond death how can there possibly be new transmigrants? It logically doesn't add up.
Also the fact that edo madara's rinnegan has nothing to do with his discussion, they disappeared because they weren't real to begin with and thus he had to get his real ones.
Your argument is flawed.

 

[Klue]

Dna =/= chakra, so I don't see what point you're trying to make here?
Of course it does matter, if the ashura and indra chakra stayed with you beyond death how can there possibly be new transmigrants? It logically doesn't add up.
Also the fact that edo madara's rinnegan has nothing to do with his discussion, they disappeared because they weren't real to begin with and thus he had to get his real ones.
Your argument is flawed.

Edo Madara's Rinnegan has everything to do with this. It resulted from the integration of Hashirama's cells and chakra.

What are you talking about?

If Hashirama's chakra no longer contains some portion of Asura's power, then it's not possible for Madara to wield a Rinnegan in his Edo form.

 

[OaklandBlades]

Edo Madara's Rinnegan has everything to do with this. It resulted from the integration of Hashirama's cells and chakra.

What are you talking about?

If Hashirama's chakra no longer contains some portion of Asura's power, then it's not possible for Madara to wield a Rinnegan in his Edo form.

Yes it is possible because 1.kabuto modified madara's edo to begin with 2. Edo tensei revives you with previous powers, this would mean that it isn't necessary for ashura and indra chakra to still be withing Hashirama and madara for him to use rinnegan.

Think about it this way, were the edo jins revived with the bijuu? The answer is no because the bijuu chakra had been moved from their body.
It's should be a safe bet to say that once the transmigrant chakra moves on it completely leaves the previous host.
If otherwise that would mean severe dilution of said chakra.