So if Obito and Nagato didn't have the black rods

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Does that they mean that they wouldn't have snapped when they lost Rin and Yahiko respectively? I think Madara's will was what clouded their trail of thoughts and implanted evil thoughts in their mind, sure they still had some self conscience but I think they wouldn't have done the acts they did if Madara hadn't implanted his will in them.
 

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Same, they were easily manipulated
 

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Everything is the Rod's fault.
 

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I lost you at black rod ..
 

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Those black rods are just metal bars created with ying-yang release. Same with the giant shurikens that obito used.

At least... Unless obito had a seal underneath his arms.
 

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no...
go read kakashi gaiden again and his whole speech to kakashi...in the end he said something like,"i'll destroy this system called 'ninja'."so it was always there.
as for nagato,i still don't believe that it was madara who gave him his eyes,i mean that will totally destroy his char.
 

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no...
go read kakashi gaiden again and his whole speech to kakashi...in the end he said something like,"i'll destroy this system called 'ninja'."so it was always there.
as for nagato,i still don't believe that it was madara who gave him his eyes,i mean that will totally destroy his char.

Yeah, But he never intended to go about changing the ideal like the way he is now
 

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a person needs the strength too accept the things they can't change , the courage to change the things they can and the wisdom to know the difference.
 

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a person needs the strength too accept the things they can't change , the courage to change the things they can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Yeah but Madara's will clouded all of that in their minds
 

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Who sed da black rods that Nagato used was from Madara? I dint get you in dat part.
 
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