So I finally saw the Boruto Movie

[Dark Sonic]

The series was better off without that Ootsutsuki shit. Went from Shinobi to Pseudo-DBZ smfh

 

[DominiqueX]

what plot holes?...

I meant the plotholes that the entire alien-shit created.

- Kaguya was never mentioned before, whereas she ruled the lands and caused fear among the people. It makes no sense that someone like her is completely forgotten by mankind. It is just bad writing when the author introduces a character like her in the last 7% of the story (700 chapter in total, Kaguya was introduced in chapter 646) without legit connections to the story.

- How could the Ootsutsuki, or at least Toneri, on the moon not notice that Madara summoned the Gedo Mazo to earth? It was their mission to look after the statue, so that Kaguya could not come back again.

- How could Hagoromo become the Juubis jinchuuriki, if he and Hamura sealed Kaguya (who was the Juubi) immediately and created the moon with the "Six-Paths Chibaku Tensei"?
Okay, let us imagine that he only took the chakra, right?
Then tell me.. how could Hagoromo survive the creation of the Bijuu?
After Obito lost the Bijuu-chakra, Kurama stated that he would not die from the extraction because he still has the Gedo Mazo. Kurama said that was the same way how Hagoromo survived the creation of the Bijuu.
But you see, it is not possible because Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the statue immediately into the moon.

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- Black Zetsu as the "mastermind" also makes zero sense.
He said, he rewrote the stone tablet which was left behind be Hagoromo.. but how could he do that, without being able to read it in the first place? Only one with the Rinnegan is able to read the whole tablet. Black Zetsu never had a Rinnegan or at least Mangekyou Sharingan or a normal Sharingan. I would like to see you rewrite a text that you can't even read yourself.

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Kishimoto retconned his entire manga-story in the very last chapters, to find a half-baked way for Kaguya and the Ootsutsuki to fit in.
That is very bad writing, nothing more, nothing less.

If you still don't see the plotholes, then there is no hope for you.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

I meant the plotholes that the entire alien-shit created.

- Kaguya was never mentioned before, whereas she ruled the lands and caused fear among the people. It makes no sense that someone like her is completely forgotten by mankind. It is just bad writing when the author introduces a character like her in the last 7% of the story (700 chapter in total, Kaguya was introduced in chapter 646) without legit connections to the story.

- How could the Ootsutsuki, or at least Toneri, on the moon not notice that Madara summoned the Gedo Mazo to earth? It was their mission to look after the statue, so that Kaguya could not come back again.

- How could Hagoromo become the Juubis jinchuuriki, if he and Hamura sealed Kaguya (who was the Juubi) immediately and created the moon with the "Six-Paths Chibaku Tensei"?
Okay, let us imagine that he only took the chakra, right?
Then tell me.. how could Hagoromo survive the creation of the Bijuu?
After Obito lost the Bijuu-chakra, Kurama stated that he would not die from the extraction because he still has the Gedo Mazo. Kurama said that was the same way how Hagoromo survived the creation of the Bijuu.
But you see, it is not possible because Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the statue immediately into the moon.

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- Black Zetsu as the "mastermind" also makes zero sense.
He said, he rewrote the stone tablet which was left behind be Hagoromo.. but how could he do that, without being able to read it in the first place? Only one with the Rinnegan is able to read the whole tablet. Black Zetsu never had a Rinnegan or at least Mangekyou Sharingan or a normal Sharingan. I would like to see you rewrite a text that you can't even read yourself.

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Kishimoto retconned his entire manga-story in the very last chapters, to find a half-baked way for Kaguya and the Ootsutsuki to fit in.
That is very bad writing, nothing more, nothing less.

If you still don't see the plotholes, then there is no hope for you.

thank you for giving me the plot holes I asked you for instead of insulting me...you know like a normal person...
and I never stated that it was good writing...I stated that it would have been boring...
also I count 2 plot holes in that comment of yours...

- the hagoromo one is a given because I've talked about that before...

- the gedo statue was summoned 1,000 yrs later after the clan killed each other off...

- kaguya getting introduced late in the series isnt a plot hole...

- black zetsu being able to read and rewrite hagoromo's stone tablet is iffy because while you do need dojutsu to be able to read what is written kabuto and orochimaru were able to deduce some of it as well

 

[DominiqueX]

- kaguya getting introduced late in the series isnt a plot hole...

When the story has to be retconned, then it is still very bad writing.

- black zetsu being able to read and rewrite hagoromo's stone tablet is iffy because while you do need dojutsu to be able to read what is written kabuto and orochimaru were able to deduce some of it as well

Oro and Kabuto only made hypotheses based on experiments. That has nothing to do with being able to rewrite something that they can't read first.

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[gerizzyYMcrew]

When the story has to be retconned, then it is still very bad writing.


Oro and Kabuto only made hypotheses based on experiments. That has nothing to do with being able to rewrite something that they can't read first.

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retcon= "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency"...
if the kaguya thing was a recton then everything involving the sage of six paths post chapter 467 was retconned...as well as chapters chapters like 500 and 606 are to be considered retcons by you as well...
and black zetsu isnt human...we have no idea what he can and cannot do...he turned madara into a damn girl...and he was there when hagoromo created the stone tablet so I have doubt he didnt know what was written on it

 

[Meowazziel]

3. I didn't like the fact that Naruto didn't use his Six Paths Sage Mode. We still don't officially know whether he has it or not. If he doesn't, it would have been nice to explain why he lost it.

He still had it.

RSM (Rikudo sage mode) is as the name suggest, a SAGE MODE.
The RSM is the sage mode where Naruto has no pigmentation around his eyes.

Because in RSM he can kick the truth seeking balls and he did so in this base naruto form + RSM, when he saved Gai.

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I must have been away for too long because it seems that the term for RSM has now changed.

When I say RSM, I am talking about this.

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That is more than RSM.

In that picture he has two things.

There he has RSM and the bijou cloak that has chakra of all beasts (yin Kurama and a little bit of the other 8).

In the Boruto movie, he has RSM and a different bijou cloak than vs Kaguya.

Which is understandable, seeing in the movie he has both yin and yang Kurama and by the looks of the cloak, is only using Kurama's power and not the other 8 bijou.

So in the movie he has Full Kurama cloak + RSM active imo.

Seeing he was fighting Momoshiki, who can absorb techniques and fire them back at ya, I find it understandable that he didnt use truth seeking balls and such. Naruto and Sasuke vs Momoshiki was mostly taijutsu based.

 

[PureSkillz]

I actually liked it quite a bit. Definitely was miles better than "The Last" and also kind of got me excited about Naruto again.

There was some thing that I still wished they did in the movie, but it was still enjoyable.

So here are just both the things I felt were positive and negative about the movie.



Positives

1. Great animation. The fights were superb.

2. New generation is really interesting and likable.

3. Pretty well written.

4. Got to see the new 5 Kage fight.

5. I liked the idea of Boruto being Sasuke's pupil.

6. Mitsuki being Orochimaru's son. Awesome!

7. Epic father/son Rasengan.




Negatives

1. The villain was extremely lame. In the Gaiden Manga, Sasuke said how there was a bigger threat than Kaguya and the movie explains how Momo was the threat due to a translated scroll from Kaguya. He's the reason why she wanted a Zetsu Army. But wow he was weak and lame in every way including design. He even stated that he never trained or anything, but just popping pills. Why was Kaguya afraid of him then?


2. I felt like there was a lack of jutsu in the movie. All we saw were really Rasengan and Shadow Clones. It would have been nice to see something original from the new generation. They even cut out the fight with Mitsuki in the Chunin exams? We have no idea what he's capable of aside for stretching.


3. I didn't like the fact that Naruto didn't use his Six Paths Sage Mode. We still don't officially know whether he has it or not. If he doesn't, it would have been nice to explain why he lost it.


4. I don't like the fact that Sasuke is still missing his arm. I don't think there's really any reason for him not to. He's redeemed himself so him feeling guilty shouldn't be an issue. Also, he's still protecting the village from beings nearly as powerful as Kaguya. Missing an arm only puts one in a disadvantage no matter how skilled you are. At least give him a Susanoo arm like in the game or something.


5. It bugs me that Naruto is still wearing bandages on his hand. It just looks dumb. Even if it were a Zetsu arm, Obito had skin color on his so I don't see why it would be a big deal just to say that it's a more advanced replica arm which just gave him the skin color.


6. I wish Orochimaru had a bigger appearance instead of just the cameo at the end.


7. It would have been nice to see more from the new generation of shinobi, especially the one's from the different villages.

Naruto used RBSM (kurama's chakra instead of all 9 tailed beasts)
In The Last he only used KCSM

 

[LightSo6p]

I meant the plotholes that the entire alien-shit created.

- Kaguya was never mentioned before, whereas she ruled the lands and caused fear among the people. It makes no sense that someone like her is completely forgotten by mankind. It is just bad writing when the author introduces a character like her in the last 7% of the story (700 chapter in total, Kaguya was introduced in chapter 646) without legit connections to the story.

- How could the Ootsutsuki, or at least Toneri, on the moon not notice that Madara summoned the Gedo Mazo to earth? It was their mission to look after the statue, so that Kaguya could not come back again.

- How could Hagoromo become the Juubis jinchuuriki, if he and Hamura sealed Kaguya (who was the Juubi) immediately and created the moon with the "Six-Paths Chibaku Tensei"?
Okay, let us imagine that he only took the chakra, right?
Then tell me.. how could Hagoromo survive the creation of the Bijuu?
After Obito lost the Bijuu-chakra, Kurama stated that he would not die from the extraction because he still has the Gedo Mazo. Kurama said that was the same way how Hagoromo survived the creation of the Bijuu.
But you see, it is not possible because Hagoromo and Hamura sealed the statue immediately into the moon.

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- Black Zetsu as the "mastermind" also makes zero sense.
He said, he rewrote the stone tablet which was left behind be Hagoromo.. but how could he do that, without being able to read it in the first place? Only one with the Rinnegan is able to read the whole tablet. Black Zetsu never had a Rinnegan or at least Mangekyou Sharingan or a normal Sharingan. I would like to see you rewrite a text that you can't even read yourself.

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Kishimoto retconned his entire manga-story in the very last chapters, to find a half-baked way for Kaguya and the Ootsutsuki to fit in.
That is very bad writing, nothing more, nothing less.

If you still don't see the plotholes, then there is no hope for you.

You got to remember that people thought the sage of six paths was a legend nobody know about him or his sons really so its no tell how long ago that was when she ruled the world lol.. And they could of erased her out of people minds after freeing them from IT idk but yea they didnt really know if hagoromo was real or not so its not that hard to see that rhey didnt know about his mom

 

[Lightbringer]

He still had it.

RSM (Rikudo sage mode) is as the name suggest, a SAGE MODE.
The RSM is the sage mode where Naruto has no pigmentation around his eyes.

Because in RSM he can kick the truth seeking balls and he did so in this base naruto form + RSM, when he saved Gai.

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That is more than RSM.

In that picture he has two things.

There he has RSM and the bijou cloak that has chakra of all beasts (yin Kurama and a little bit of the other 8).

In the Boruto movie, he has RSM and a different bijou cloak than vs Kaguya.

Which is understandable, seeing in the movie he has both yin and yang Kurama and by the looks of the cloak, is only using Kurama's power and not the other 8 bijou.

So in the movie he has Full Kurama cloak + RSM active imo.

Seeing he was fighting Momoshiki, who can absorb techniques and fire them back at ya, I find it understandable that he didnt use truth seeking balls and such. Naruto and Sasuke vs Momoshiki was mostly taijutsu based.

If TBB were able to be absorbed, then Kaguya and Madara would have done so in their fight against Naruto, but they didn't.

When I say RSM, I'm referring to the mode of the picture I posted. I'm disappointed that he didn't use it against Momo and it wasn't explained if he could still use it.

 

[Arian]

you know what i liked about this movie? the nostalgia of the good old times i felt. whenever they showed stuff about narutos past, i felt like this was a movie actually about naruto. anything else was garbage imo. since theire technology has become so modern, i dont see the need of neither jutsus nor ninjas.... they basically are at peace with no war at all anymore. so why should there be any training at all? why is there a need for ninjas? there isnt, and they just didnt scratch this topic cause they didnt have any answer. they just kept doing what they do, creating lame ass stories and put the name naruto on it, and it will sell anyways...
yes the animation was nice, but thats it. the fights didnt feel like naruto at all. barely any strategie, exactely like how the manga had become at the end, where it really was crappy....
also i dont like what theyve reduced naruto to. like wtf, some1 who has suffered through loneliness his entire life woul be the best father there is.... his whole relationship with boruto is so bad. not to mention hinata being his wife, which i still have not gotten over with, for thats gotta be THE worst and most forced pairing ever. just some fanservice..... ugh

 

[Meowazziel]

If TBB were able to be absorbed, then Kaguya and Madara would have done so in their fight against Naruto, but they didn't.

When I say RSM, I'm referring to the mode of the picture I posted. I'm disappointed that he didn't use it against Momo and it wasn't explained if he could still use it.

Regardless if its possible to absorb, why would they absorb it if they can use it themselfs?
Momo couldnt, so it would be benificial for him to absorb it and gain the power.

Anyway what you call RSM is not really RSM.

RSM is the sage mode without pigmentation around the eyes.
The picture that you posted is RSM + a bijou cloak with a bit of chakra from all 9 bijou (yin Kurama and a bit from the other 8).

He still used RSM in the movie, but he used a different bijou cloak (probably full Kurama, yin + yang, by the looks of the cloak).

I think it makes a better story if not everything is spelled out, so I dont mind a bit of mystery which leaves room for thought, for why he used a different cloak.

 

[Umari Senju]

retcon= "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency"...
if the kaguya thing was a recton then everything involving the sage of six paths post chapter 467 was retconned...as well as chapters chapters like 500 and 606 are to be considered retcons by you as well...
and black zetsu isnt human...we have no idea what he can and cannot do...he turned madara into a damn girl...and he was there when hagoromo created the stone tablet so I have doubt he didnt know what was written on it

Kaguya was included into the mix because Kishi made Madara too powerful and unbeatable, even by Naruto and Sasuke. So Kaguya was introduced.

Kaguya was reckon for Maddy's defeat. It is what it is. It happens.

you know what i liked about this movie? the nostalgia of the good old times i felt. whenever they showed stuff about narutos past, i felt like this was a movie actually about naruto. anything else was garbage imo. since theire technology has become so modern, i dont see the need of neither jutsus nor ninjas.... they basically are at peace with no war at all anymore. so why should there be any training at all? why is there a need for ninjas? there isnt, and they just didnt scratch this topic cause they didnt have any answer. they just kept doing what they do, creating lame ass stories and put the name naruto on it, and it will sell anyways...
yes the animation was nice, but thats it. the fights didnt feel like naruto at all. barely any strategie, exactely like how the manga had become at the end, where it really was crappy....
also i dont like what theyve reduced naruto to. like wtf, some1 who has suffered through loneliness his entire life woul be the best father there is.... his whole relationship with boruto is so bad. not to mention hinata being his wife, which i still have not gotten over with, for thats gotta be THE worst and most forced pairing ever. just some fanservice..... ugh

You know I agree with you here. After watching how Boruto used that braclet I went through the the same thought. I mean why risk exhausting your chakra when that gadget can do it for you? Other than these lame Otsutsuki clan members that keep popping up their really is t a need for the whole ninja system....

....I can't believe I'm saying this but teenaged Sasuke was right, the ninja system needed to go. Honestly in retrospect I think part 3 would have worked awesomely if Sasuke actually succeeded, at least a little, in his revolution.

He should have killed the Kages and become feared throughout the world. That way the ninja system would still have a purpose. Sakura could have defected with Sasuke(or died and Karin could have been his squeeze giving birth to Sarada) Sasuke could have kidnapped Baruto and then made him his apprentice giving Naruto something to strive for after becoming Hokage (bring in his son back to him)

Something like that might have been cool imo

 

[Lightbringer]

Regardless if its possible to absorb, why would they absorb it if they can use it themselfs?
Momo couldnt, so it would be benificial for him to absorb it and gain the power.

Anyway what you call RSM is not really RSM.

RSM is the sage mode without pigmentation around the eyes.
The picture that you posted is RSM + a bijou cloak with a bit of chakra from all 9 bijou (yin Kurama and a bit from the other 8).

He still used RSM in the movie, but he used a different bijou cloak (probably full Kurama, yin + yang, by the looks of the cloak).

I think it makes a better story if not everything is spelled out, so I dont mind a bit of mystery which leaves room for thought, for why he used a different cloak.

There are times when having mystery in a story would make it better, but in Naruto's case, it just makes it more confusing and not satisfying.

Kishi explained so much of the world only to reveal that everything that we knew was actually a lie near the end.

What should I call that mode then? It used to be referred to as simply RSM, but now RSM has taken a whole knew meaning.

I'm just going to call it Ultimate Naruto so you know what I'm talking about. He looked a lot more cooler and it's still never explained as to why he doesn't use it. It's extra power, no matter how you justify it. Does he still have the chakra of all the bijuu or not?

That's all I'm saying. I was disappointed that questions like these were not put to rest.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

There are times when having mystery in a story would make it better, but in Naruto's case, it just makes it more confusing and not satisfying.

Kishi explained so much of the world only to reveal that everything that we knew was actually a lie near the end.

What should I call that mode then? It used to be referred to as simply RSM, but now RSM has taken a whole knew meaning.

I'm just going to call it Ultimate Naruto so you know what I'm talking about. He looked a lot more cooler and it's still never explained as to why he doesn't use it. It's extra power, no matter how you justify it. Does he still have the chakra of all the bijuu or not?

That's all I'm saying. I was disappointed that questions like these were not put to rest.

bro what is there that is needed to be explained?...kishimoto clearly changed the design not once but three times...you have a weird gripe...and nobody as been seen recreating truth seeking balls besides kaguya

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Kaguya was included into the mix because Kishi made Madara too powerful and unbeatable, even by Naruto and Sasuke. So Kaguya was introduced.

Kaguya was reckon for Maddy's defeat. It is what it is. It happens.



You know I agree with you here. After watching how Boruto used that braclet I went through the the same thought. I mean why risk exhausting your chakra when that gadget can do it for you? Other than these lame Otsutsuki clan members that keep popping up their really is t a need for the whole ninja system....

....I can't believe I'm saying this but teenaged Sasuke was right, the ninja system needed to go. Honestly in retrospect I think part 3 would have worked awesomely if Sasuke actually succeeded, at least a little, in his revolution.

He should have killed the Kages and become feared throughout the world. That way the ninja system would still have a purpose. Sakura could have defected with Sasuke(or died and Karin could have been his squeeze giving birth to Sarada) Sasuke could have kidnapped Baruto and then made him his apprentice giving Naruto something to strive for after becoming Hokage (bring in his son back to him)

Something like that might have been cool imo

thats not what I was referring to...and the latter half of your comment makes no sense...that entire scenario is unessicary

 

[Meowazziel]

There are times when having mystery in a story would make it better, but in Naruto's case, it just makes it more confusing and not satisfying.

Kishi explained so much of the world only to reveal that everything that we knew was actually a lie near the end.

What should I call that mode then? It used to be referred to as simply RSM, but now RSM has taken a whole knew meaning.

I'm just going to call it Ultimate Naruto so you know what I'm talking about. He looked a lot more cooler and it's still never explained as to why he doesn't use it. It's extra power, no matter how you justify it. Does he still have the chakra of all the bijuu or not?

That's all I'm saying. I was disappointed that questions like these were not put to rest.

Matter of taste than I guess.
I prefer the bit of mystery that is left. For me it makes a better story.

I dont need it spelled out for why Naruto didnt use (ill use your words) Ultimate Naruto,
because I can imagine several possibilities and I dont need to know which one it exactly was.
Its nice to have food for thought left
and I kinda liked seeing him with full Kurama.

since theire technology has become so modern, i dont see the need of neither jutsus nor ninjas.... they basically are at peace with no war at all anymore. so why should there be any training at all? why is there a need for ninjas? there isnt

You know I agree with you here. After watching how Boruto used that braclet I went through the the same thought. I mean why risk exhausting your chakra when that gadget can do it for you?

I disagree that the jutsu bracelet invention can replace shinobi.
If anything the movie showed that it cant.

Also imagine someone who never physically trains.
Who lacks physical speed, strength, stamina, taijutsu and such.
Just a random citizen with a jutsu bracelet.
Thats not gonna work.

You will also need shinobi to use jutsus, that one can put inside the bracelet.
So you will need jutsu users regardless, but I already showed that a citizen with
a jutsu bracelet, wont really work.

Also technology like guns and such, can be inferieur to highly classed shinobi.
Ninja still have a place in the Naruto series.

During times of peace, you need to train and be ready for danger too.
Naruto and Sasuke are not gonna live forever to protect. Life goes on after them.
Generations need to be prepared during and after them as well.
You cant completely remove your army in times of peace so to speak.

Kaguya was included into the mix because Kishi made Madara too powerful and unbeatable, even by Naruto and Sasuke. So Kaguya was introduced.

Kaguya was reckon for Maddy's defeat. It is what it is. It happens.

Kaguya was stronger than Madara.

 

[Umari Senju]

Matter of taste than I guess.
I prefer the bit of mystery that is left. For me it makes a better story.

I dont need it spelled out for why Naruto didnt use (ill use your words) Ultimate Naruto,
because I can imagine several possibilities and I dont need to know which one it exactly was.
Its nice to have food for thought left
and I kinda liked seeing him with full Kurama.



I disagree that the jutsu bracelet invention can replace shinobi.
If anything the movie showed that it cant.

Also imagine someone who never physically trains.
Who lacks physical speed, strength, stamina, taijutsu and such.
Just a random citizen with a jutsu bracelet.
Thats not gonna work.

You will also need shinobi to use jutsus, that one can put inside the bracelet.
So you will need jutsu users regardless, but I already showed that a citizen with
a jutsu bracelet, wont really work.

Also technology like guns and such, can be inferieur to highly classed shinobi.
Ninja still have a place in the Naruto series.

During times of peace, you need to train and be ready for danger too.
Naruto and Sasuke are not gonna live forever to protect. Life goes on after them.
Generations need to be prepared during and after them as well.
You cant completely remove your army in times of peace so to speak.



Kaguya was stronger than Madara.

You have a point. I see what you're saying. Yeah I forgot that you still need to actually perform
The jutsu and seal it in a scroll to use the machine so performing jutsu is still necessary so your point is well received. As far as the ninja system goes, I do see what your saying but as far as the Narutoverse goes The only reason I could see keep ninja around is to keep someone from awakening Kaguya again. Other than that there are no real threats left that those machines could not handle honestly. Though I suppose some entirely new enemy with never before seen powers comes into play which I suppose could happen. So plus rep from me on both points as I stand corrected.

As for Kaguya: I know she is stronger that's my point. Madara was too strong at the time and no one could beat him. A stronger entity was needed to defeat ho
And so Kaguya took the reigns. Kishi saw ahead of time that at the rate he was going with Madara the
Manga would have ended in victory for the villain. So he started dropping elements of Kaguya's existence before it happened.

thats not what I was referring to...and the latter half of your comment makes no sense...that entire scenario is unessicary

I know I was giving you an example of a retcon since you stated the series didn't really have any. There was one right there. As to my second part. I'm just brainstorming of ways to rectify the shipping ending we pretty much got at 700 and keep the ninja system
Relevant . Sasuke becoming the villain he wanted to would have been a damn good reason to keep it around is all I'm saying.

 

[xen11]

I need to watch this again.
Boruto seemed like a spoiled brat very annoying at the end he came to his senses wich was a good thing. These movies could use some more darkness in them imo.
I completely missed the part about Mitsuki being Orochimaru's son ???
The version I watched is a LQ version with subs streaming somewhere.

 

[Meowazziel]

As for Kaguya: I know she is stronger that's my point. Madara was too strong at the time and no one could beat him. A stronger entity was needed to defeat ho
And so Kaguya took the reigns. Kishi saw ahead of time that at the rate he was going with Madara the
Manga would have ended in victory for the villain. So he started dropping elements of Kaguya's existence before it happened.

Arent you contradicting yourself?
You say Madara was too strong and noone could beat him, yet you agree that Kaguya is stronger, who got defeated by team 7. So why couldnt they defeat Madara, who is weaker than Kaguya?

That sealing method that they used on Kaguya, could have been used on Madara too.
They tried to do this, when Naruto used his paralyzing Shukaku magnet release Rasengan and Sasuke his Rikudo chakra Chidori, on the Madara that Sasuke Rinnegan swapped in between them.
After having paralyzed him, they wanted to use the sealing method, but he did a swap with his Limbo clone.

Madara doesnt have the dimension shift and space time that Kaguya has.
Nor does he have the Ash bone jutsu.
Both seem a lot more dangerous to me than Limbo.
She even hit Sasuke's hawk with Susanoo and Kakashi's Susanoo (able to see openings with her Byakugan to hit vitals with her attacks).

Naruto and Sasuke can take care of the Limbo clones fairly well.
Naruto can sense them. Sasuke can see them.
They can also take care of the meteorites with Rasen shuriken versions and Susanoo.

I think the battle against Madara would have ended sooner than vs Kaguya.
Kaguya seems more dangerous of an opponent for Naruto and Sasuke.
Harder to beat than Madara.

Sure they had no chance vs Madara without Hagoromo's powers (if that is what you mean).
Naruto almost died because he lost Kurama and Sasuke didnt have Rinnegan yet, so he couldnt see Limbo (nor could Naruto sense it back than).
However once they got Hagoromo's powers, I believe they would have had an easier time vs Madara than Kaguya.

I completely missed the part about Mitsuki being Orochimaru's son ???
The version I watched is a LQ version with subs streaming somewhere.

That was a little scene shown at the very end, after those texts or lines with names about who was the director, who the actors and such.

 

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As for Kaguya: I know she is stronger that's my point. Madara was too strong at the time and no one could beat him. A stronger entity was needed to defeat ho
And so Kaguya took the reigns. Kishi saw ahead of time that at the rate he was going with Madara the
Manga would have ended in victory for the villain. So he started dropping elements of Kaguya's existence before it happened.

Offtopic, but I want to add something here.
Kishimoto also could've made Madara lose because of his arrogance and him not taking Sasuke/Naruto seriously. This would still not be perfect, but at least better than having this Ootsutsuki nonsense and multiple plot holes.

So why couldnt they defeat Madara, who is weaker than Kaguya?

That sealing method that they used on Kaguya, could have been used on Madara too.
They tried to do this, when Naruto used his paralyzing Shukaku magnet release Rasengan and Sasuke his Rikudo chakra Chidori, on the Madara that Sasuke Rinnegan swapped in between them.
After having paralyzed him, they wanted to use the sealing method, but he did a swap with his Limbo clone.

Madara doesnt have the dimension shift and space time that Kaguya has.
Nor does he have the Ash bone jutsu.
Both seem a lot more dangerous to me than Limbo.
She even hit Sasuke's hawk with Susanoo and Kakashi's Susanoo (able to see openings with her Byakugan to hit vitals with her attacks).

Naruto and Sasuke can take care of the Limbo clones fairly well.
Naruto can sense them. Sasuke can see them.
They can also take care of the meteorites with Rasen shuriken versions and Susanoo.

I think the battle against Madara would have ended sooner than vs Kaguya.
Kaguya seems more dangerous of an opponent for Naruto and Sasuke.
Harder to beat than Madara.

Sure they had no chance vs Madara without Hagoromo's powers (if that is what you mean).
Naruto almost died because he lost Kurama and Sasuke didnt have Rinnegan yet, so he couldnt see Limbo (nor could Naruto sense it back than).
However once they got Hagoromo's powers, I believe they would have had an easier time vs Madara than Kaguya.

Simple.
Madara had a brain and battle-experience, Kaguya did not.
Of course he would have shown a much better fight, he didn't need the ash bones or dimension shifting. Imagine Madara with two Rinnegan, it was implied several times that this power is not comparable to the one-eyed version that Naruto/Sasuke fought before. Also imagine Madara using his complete arsenal.
Him using multiple Rinnegan-paths without restriction at the same time, planet-sized Mokuton (to counter Narutos Bijuu-chakra), multiple Mokuton-clones with Rinnegan and shared vision, Juubi-chakra enhanced Susanoo, 4 Limbos (which gave Naruto/Sasuke a hard time alone), multiple Juubidamas firering at Naruto/Sasuke and at the same time blocking everything with his last Gudoudama.
Sasuke would be the first to go down, considering the fact that Madara also quickly realized how Amenotejikara works. And wthout Sasuke, Naruto can't win.
Sakura and Kakashi would've been totally useless in this fight. No blind-spot weakness due to shared vision and a brain. RIP Narutoverse.