So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

[Encon Uchiha]

show me a manga scan with Itachi/Sasuke using perfect susanoo.

As i can recall, there is only Susano'o and apparently a Perfect Susano'o. Itachi and Sasuke both have Susano'o(EMS or MS doesn't matter), and Madara has PS due to him having the Rinnegan.

What he said.

Sasuke perfect Susanoo '

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Itachi perfect Susanoo

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I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard

 

[Sasuke082594]

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Itachi perfect Susanoo

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I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard

So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?

 

[oShux]

without EMS no rinnegan so this is sh*t

No? Obito doesn't have EMS Only person who had both is Madara, and Nagato doesn't have EMS either. The only thing that was said is that you need Uchiha and Senju DNA to have Rinnegan

 

[oShux]

So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?

Itachi and Sasuke have COMPLETE Susanoo's not Perfect ones

 

[Sasuke082594]

Itachi and Sasuke have COMPLETE Susanoo's not Perfect ones

Thank you! Complete Susano'o=PS? No it doesn't. Can they use PS? No. Why/ They don't have Rinnegan.

 

[Turson]

Thank you! Complete Susano'o=PS? No it doesn't. Can they use PS? No. Why/ They don't have Rinnegan.

Only, PS is EMS jutsu, not Rinnegan jutsu.

 

[Encon Uchiha]

So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?

The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.

 

[TurrinB]

Nope stated in the manga that Rinnegan is higher level.

 

[oShux]

The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.

You kinda destroyed your own thread.

 

[Encon Uchiha]

You kinda destroyed your own thread.

Its still the same size ,just its personality chnaged a little bit. Its not a radical chnage like Madaras PS and chakra stabilized.

Sasuke already used Kagutsuschi before EMS and the beak around hood isnt really a huge diff in terms of power.

 

[Encon Uchiha]

You guys got it all wrong. These are Complete Susanoos. When the skeleton shows,its not complete or (lvl 2). When its just the ribcage its lvl 1 . When the have the hood around it its perfect.

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[oShux]

You guys got it all wrong. These are Complete Susanoos. When the skeleton shows,its not complete or (lvl 2). When its just the ribcage its lvl 1 . When the have the hood around it its perfect.

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No dude the skeleton ones are the level ones. Full skeleton would be like level 2 i think and then the one with the skins is level 3 and then the one with the hoods are COMPLETE ones. PERFECT ones have legs and are OP

 

[OnPoint]

Don't ever claim this shit is stronger than Rikudō Sennin's eyes.

 

[oShux]

Don't ever claim this shit is stronger than Rikudō Sennin's eyes.

This guy ^^

 

[Encon Uchiha]

No dude the skeleton ones are the level ones. Full skeleton would be like level 2 i think and then the one with the skins is level 3 and then the one with the hoods are COMPLETE ones. PERFECT ones have legs and are OP

Level 1 - ribcage
Level 2- Skeleton
Level 3 or Complete-Full skin
Perfect - jewel in head, tengu nose,armor
Chakra stabilized - Samurai

Only reason Madaras has legs is because of his powerful chakra and hes had the most experience with Susanoo. Sasuke only had his for a very short while and Itachi had his for about 8 years. Madara has his for 70+ years. Of course his Susanoo would be different and better. Im not sure how Madara got his chakra stabilized but im pretty sure thats pure mastery of Susanoo. As i said before
Amaterasu - Sasuke
Tsuyuyomi- Itachi
Susanoo- Madara

 

[Namikaze Haru]

Don't ever claim this shit is stronger than Rikudō Sennin's eyes.

dude try reading the post i never EVER said EMS was stronger than rinnegan.

some people talk without realising what they are implying.

MS/EMS = Susanoo
EMS + Senju DNA = Rinnegan and PS

but people say that PS is an EMS jutsu and madara clealy says that this is his full power. meaning that they are actually saying that EMS is stronger than Rinnegan.

i am going to also assume that the sage of the six paths could also use PS. why? because he is the uchiha and senju in 1, theres no reason he should not be able to use it.

 

[Encon Uchiha]

dude try reading the post i never EVER said EMS was stronger than rinnegan.

some people talk without realising what they are implying.

MS/EMS = Susanoo
EMS + Senju DNA = Rinnegan and PS

but people say that PS is an EMS jutsu and madara clealy says that this is his full power. meaning that they are actually saying that EMS is stronger than Rinnegan.

i am going to also assume that the sage of the six paths could also use PS. why? because he is the uchiha and senju in 1, theres no reason he should not be able to use it.

He never trained with the Rinnegan, he is the best with EMS. PS is an EMS jutsu but yes an expert Rinnegan user like Nagato is better than an expert user of Ems. Nagato fought the strongest 2 jinchuriki and a MS user and only got sealed because he wasnt in control of his powers and plot. Nagato > Everyone non Edo.

 

[Turson]

but people say that PS is an EMS jutsu and madara clealy says that this is his full power. meaning that they are actually saying that EMS is stronger than Rinnegan.

Nope, even if EMS jutsu (PS) has more destructive power than Rinnegan, doesnt mean that its more powerful Doujutsu. Rinnegan can casually bring dead people to life.

 

[Sasuke082594]

The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.

We saw Edo Madara go from MS to Rinnegan.. He used all forms of Susano'o during that time. MS=Susano'o, EMS=Complete Susano'o, Rinnegan=Perfect Susano'o. Also, your statement makes no sense, why would he need to use all the other paths? He obviously had PS.

 

[Sasuke082594]

Level 1 - ribcage
Level 2- Skeleton
Level 3 or Complete-Full skin
Perfect - jewel in head, tengu nose,armor
Chakra stabilized - Samurai

Only reason Madaras has legs is because of his powerful chakra and hes had the most experience with Susanoo. Sasuke only had his for a very short while and Itachi had his for about 8 years. Madara has his for 70+ years. Of course his Susanoo would be different and better. Im not sure how Madara got his chakra stabilized but im pretty sure thats pure mastery of Susanoo. As i said before
Amaterasu - Sasuke
Tsuyuyomi- Itachi
Susanoo- Madara

These are just your assumptions, but if thats the case then Lv 1-3=MS&EMS.