So called geniuses

[Prince Badman]

Its a wonder that the ninjas of Konoha that were the so called geniuses were the ones that made the most stupid decisions in the entire manga. The names that come to fore front would be Minato, Itachi, Hiruzen(yeah he wasn't called a genius rather than God of Shinobi), Orochimaru to some extent (regarding Sasuke) and well you get the idea. I mean yeah they were put up in really tough life and death situations but there were better alternatives available for each and every decisions they made.

1. Minato : His sealing of Kyubi into Naruto. He could have sealed half in Kushina, though the circumstances were most difficult for him so his decision is somewhat understandable.

2. Itachi: He slaughtered the whole clan wtf? Just kill the leadership become the new clan head and take decisions. Sparing Sasuke cause he loved him what about other children who might have been younger than Sasuke.

3. Sarutobi : Well it was pure luck Naruto didn't snap and just release the Kyubi owing to his crappy childhood. Could have thought of a better alternative. Changing his last name too didn't count as much. His decisions regarding Orochimaru, letting him go when he had the chance to kill him and even his strategy to counter the invasion having clear info about it was crappy.

4. Oro: for so called genius he trained Sasuke to the point he overcame him easily when he had already tasted defeat at Itachi's hands when he was of the same age

Makes one wonder if these were geniuses

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Minato sealed half in naruto because he believed naruto was the child of prophecy or whateves and would someday need that power to fight "madara" and whatever "evil" came

Itachi did it because if it wasn't him the elders might of sent someone else or the uchiha would of just started a civil war altogether.

Can't really speak on the other 2

 

[chopstickchakra]

Its a wonder that the ninjas of Konoha that were the so called geniuses were the ones that made the most stupid decisions in the entire manga. The names that come to fore front would be Minato, Itachi, Hiruzen(yeah he wasn't called a genius rather than God of Shinobi), Orochimaru to some extent (regarding Sasuke) and well you get the idea. I mean yeah they were put up in really tough life and death situations but there were better alternatives available for each and every decisions they made.

1. Minato : His sealing of Kyubi into Naruto. He could have sealed half in Kushina, though the circumstances were most difficult for him so his decision is somewhat understandable.

2. Itachi: He slaughtered the whole clan wtf? Just kill the leadership become the new clan head and take decisions. Sparing Sasuke cause he loved him what about other children who might have been younger than Sasuke.

3. Sarutobi : Well it was pure luck Naruto didn't snap and just release the Kyubi owing to his crappy childhood. Could have thought of a better alternative. Changing his last name too didn't count as much. His decisions regarding Orochimaru, letting him go when he had the chance to kill him and even his strategy to counter the invasion having clear info about it was crappy.

4. Oro: for so called genius he trained Sasuke to the point he overcame him easily when he had already tasted defeat at Itachi's hands when he was of the same age

Makes one wonder if these were geniuses

Kushina was dying too what good would sealing the fox in her do if she dies the fox is reborn.

The clan didn't support Itachi remember they were trying to arrest him for Shisui's murder so they still would have revolted even if he took over.

Oro's was just arrogance.

Also the real smartest people you didn't even mention Shikaku and Shikamaru. They were the 2 smartest people in Konoha

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Killing the "Leadership" wouldn't have worked in Itachi's case. It wasn't the leadership that was the problem. It was Konoha, causing the entire clan to desire a coup. The only option was to create a new Law enforcement system, or slay the clan to protect the village.

 

[lndra]

Your right though :lol

 

[Kakooli]

Shikamaru- IQ over 250 and is apparently able to think 100 steps ahead, couldn't figure out that Hidan drawing a huge circle with Asuma's blood was a little fishy until it was too late.

Itachi had an impossible dilemma, I think it's hard to fault him. He's one the few characters in the manga with intelligence feats to match his hype. His ability to use kunai to weaken the rinnegan's field of vision is one great example.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Shikamaru- IQ over 250 and is apparently able to think 100 steps ahead, couldn't figure out that Hidan drawing a huge circle with Asuma's blood was a little fishy until it was too late.

Itachi had an impossible dilemma, I think it's hard to fault him. He's one the few characters in the manga with intelligence feats to match his hype. His ability to use kunai to weaken the rinnegan's field of vision is one great example.

Because IQ deals with technical knowledge not knowledge of magic and the occult.

 

[kiiro]

1. Minato : His sealing of Kyubi into Naruto. He could have sealed half in Kushina, though the circumstances were most difficult for him so his decision is somewhat understandable.

Well, Minato did what he did for like 5 reasons. First Kushina option was to kill Kurama sealed in her for some time until he revives because they are inmortal.

So, Minato cant let her do that. ¿Why? Becuase then Konoha would not have a Biju and it will destabilize the power between countries. Second,if he does that he would let a threat free like Kyubi to attack Konoha again when he revives. Third, he sealed Kyubi in Naruto for 3 reasons, to grant Kushina her last with as he as Husband to see his child grown up. Fourth, to stop Obito in a future. Fifth, to make Naruto meet his Mother and him. Why? well Minato said that there are thing he cant teach to him as father and Naruto needs his mother to.

Also, Minato didnt just make his decision, he prepared every thing for Naruto. He let all the things setted up.

2. Itachi: He slaughtered the whole clan wtf? Just kill the leadership become the new clan head and take decisions. Sparing Sasuke cause he loved him what about other children who might have been younger than Sasuke.

Itachi is a Ninja under the orders of the elders. Also, he did this for reasons. If he kills his father, ¿Would the Uchihas follow him?
How would the village see this? If his father was killed, then the village will know or suspect that they were going to attack Konoha therefore their reputation will fall and Itachi avoid that. Uchihas still has there reputation thanks to Itachi.

3. Sarutobi : Well it was pure luck Naruto didn't snap and just release the Kyubi owing to his crappy childhood. Could have thought of a better alternative. Changing his last name too didn't count as much. His decisions regarding Orochimaru, letting him go when he had the chance to kill him and even his strategy to counter the invasion having clear info about it was crappy.

Sarutobi is soft and some stupid.

4. Oro: for so called genius he trained Sasuke to the point he overcame him easily when he had already tasted defeat at Itachi's hands when he was of the same age

Orochimaru is a Genius in tecnics. But silly.

 

[BlueMeteor]

sakura is a genius of suck

 

[kiiro]

Kushina was dying too what good would sealing the fox in her do if she dies the fox is reborn.

The clan didn't support Itachi remember they were trying to arrest him for Shisui's murder so they still would have revolted even if he took over.

Oro's was just arrogance.

Also the real smartest people you didn't even mention Shikaku and Shikamaru. They were the 2 smartest people in Konoha

Kakashi, Minato, Itachi and even Sasuke are better in creating plans and figuring out things than the Nara`s.

Gai metioned that the best tactician on Konoha was Kakashi, Naruto said the Kakashi is smarter than Shikamaru.

Shikamaru and his father needs to think a lot to do things, for example, against Hidan it was to late for him to figure out his tecnic and Asuma was killed.

Then it took him like 3 days to set a plan to defeat Hidan and it couldnt have been a succes if it were not by Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato.

Seriously if he was that smart he wouldnt have in trouble all the times Kakashi saved them. He defeated Hidan, but he would defeated Kakuzu and all his team would have died.

Against Temari, he sat down to think, i dont see that ok in a battle. In the war, well he didnt do something cool.

 

[Prince Badman]

Well, Minato did what he did for like 5 reasons. First Kushina option was to kill Kurama sealed in her for some time until he revives because they are inmortal.

So, Minato cant let her do that. ¿Why? Becuase then Konoha would not have a Biju and it will destabilize the power between countries. Second,if he does that he would let a threat free like Kyubi to attack Konoha again when he revives. Third, he sealed Kyubi in Naruto for 3 reasons, to grant Kushina her last with as he as Husband to see his child grown up. Fourth, to stop Obito in a future. Fifth, to make Naruto meet his Mother and him. Why? well Minato said that there are thing he cant teach to him as father and Naruto needs his mother to.

Also, Minato didnt just make his decision, he prepared every thing for Naruto. He let all the things setted up.



Itachi is a Ninja under the orders of the elders. Also, he did this for reasons. If he kills his father, ¿Would the Uchihas follow him?
How would the village see this? If his father was killed, then the village will know or suspect that they were going to attack Konoha therefore their reputation will fall and Itachi avoid that. Uchihas still has there reputation thanks to Itachi.




Sarutobi is soft and some stupid.



Orochimaru is a Genius in tecnics. But silly.

1. I still quote Minato's decision had too many flaws.....he simply left it to probability as for why he couldn't he have raised NAruto i still find it debatable...the odds and the general treatment of jinchuriki could have turned Naruto into another Sasukesque persona hell bent on revenge. Then what would have Konoha done if a jinchuriki who was in control of his biju attacked them setting aside the fact that he was the one who saved them in most cases.

2. I son't think entire Uchiha clan was involved in coup only prominent members and leadership. Also a leader's attitude affects his/her people so if the leader of the Uchiha clan did not instigate hatred the people will follow albeit reluctantly. Shisui's suicide had the morale of Uchiha really down. Yes the situation was difficult but slaughter of entire clan and mind raping a child who could have snapped and become a vegetable naah i don't think they were great decisions.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Kakashi, Minato, Itachi and even Sasuke are better in creating plans and figuring out things than the Nara`s.

Gai metioned that the best tactician on Konoha was Kakashi, Naruto said the Kakashi is smarter than Shikamaru.

Shikamaru and his father needs to think a lot to do things, for example, against Hidan it was to late for him to figure out his tecnic and Asuma was killed.

Then it took him like 3 days to set a plan to defeat Hidan and it couldnt have been a succes if it were not by Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato.

Seriously if he was that smart he wouldnt have in trouble all the times Kakashi saved them. He defeated Hidan, but he would defeated Kakuzu and all his team would have died.

Against Temari, he sat down to think, i dont see that ok in a battle. In the war, well he didnt do something cool.

They may have been shown with more impressive tactics since they're more implrtat players in the story but the author stated Shikaku and Shikamaru were the top in Konoha.

The 4 you mentioned are arguably better at responsive tactics i.e. coming up with plans to react to their opponents but the Nara are able to calculate a plan prior to battle to grant them an almost guaranteed victory with their ability to anticipate and plan so many scenarios. The Nara are able to formulate the best strategies for a fight but aren't necessarily the best mid fight strategists.

It says in Zai no Sho he's the smartest person in Konoha. Zai no Sho is the guidebook released for the movie.

Kakashi has an easier time with his strategies and battle because he's stronger. Shika still can come up with more secure plans with a higher chance of success he just can't always do them on his own like Kakashi could because he's not as strong a fighter.

Naruto's opinion is definitely gonna be a little biased let's be honest that's his teacher he's talking about. That aside you're comparing a battle tested adult to a child, a child Kakashi happened to praise for his battle tactics mind you, Kakshi wasn't smarter than Shikaku and Shika passed his father eventually which means he passed Kakashi as well.

To your last point, a lot of people didn't really get to show their best in the war because there were so many people who deserved a showing. Just because we didn't get to see some grand demonstration doesn't counter what the author's said and he's said Shikaku and Shikamaru were the smartest in the village, that's why they were assigned as strategist for the army, they don't need to be in the battle to showcase their tactical abilities.