So...another "Self-Defense" case

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So, after Martin's case another is taking notice....smh bull is on the rise.

Black Teen Beaten By Jewish Brothers Breaks Down On Stand, Judge Excuses Him ::


The teenager who authorities said was beaten in a neighborhood watch case in Baltimore that drew comparisons with the Trayvon Martin shooting refused to te...stify from the witness stand on Wednesday, prompting the judge ultimately to excuse him.
It’s not yet clear how the loss of the key witness will affect the prosecution’s case.

Brothers Eliyahu and Avi Werdesheim, who are Jewish and white, are accused of beating the black teen while patrolling for an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood watch group on Nov. 19, 2010. Their bench trial opened Wednesday on charges of second-degree assault, false imprisonment and carrying a deadly weapon.

The victim, now 16, cried as he mumbled responses to some of Assistant State’s Attorney Kevin Wiggins’ questions. The teen testified he was walking to the bus stop from his grandmother’s home to go to a doctor’s appointment that day.

He said he didn’t make the appointment because two men in a red car approached him, looked at him the wrong way and told him he was not supposed to be there. At times, the teen did not answer and would bend over to put his head in his lap.

WBFF-TV showed video of the teen being carried back into the courthouse after the lunch break. In the afternoon, his responses were even less audible and eventually he stood up while attorneys approached Judge Pamela White’s bench for a conference.

“I don’t want to testify,” he said. “I want to drop charges.”

White explained that the state brought the charges and it was not his decision to drop them.

Wiggins asked the teen if the reason he didn’t want to testify was because he lied or that the incident didn’t happen. The teen said he just didn’t want to testify. After talking the situation over with the teen, the judge excused him.

The defense objected to the playing of a recording of the teen’s 911 call after the teen was excused because the defendants would be unable to confront their accuser. The judge denied that motion and listened to the call, in which the teen tells the operator he had been cracked on the head with a walkie-talkie and was bleeding.

The teen was taken to a hospital with a cut on the back of his head and a broken wrist, according to court documents.

A day earlier, the brothers withdrew a motion to move the trial because comparisons to the Martin case would make it hard for them to get a fair trial. They opted for a bench trial, saying they believed a judge could conduct a fair trial.

In the Florida case, authorities charged neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman this month with second-degree murder in Martin’s death Feb. 26. Zimmerman claims self-defense, but Martin’s family claims he targeted the unarmed teen mainly because the teen was black. Zimmerman’s father is white and his mother Hispanic

In opening statements Wednesday, Wiggins told the judge that after two men in the car stared at him and told him he didn’t belong there, the teen, then 15, armed himself with a board as the car left.

When the car returned, Wiggins said the teen dropped the board before Eliyahu Werdesheim grabbed him and Avi Werdesheim hit him in the head with a radio. As the teen reached in his pocket for his cell phone, Wiggins said a third person, who arrived in a van, stepped on his hand. Other members of the watch group, Shomrim of Baltimore, showed up and the brothers left before police arrived and didn’t return, he said.

“Sometimes I think people see things through their own glasses,” Andrew Alperstein, attorney for Eliyahu Werdesheim told the judge in opening statements.

Alperstein said his 24-year-old client, a pre-law student at Johns Hopkins University, was the newest Shomrim member volunteering in his community – doing what he called a mitzvah or good deed. The attorney said the man acted in self-defense.

There were two encounters between the teen and his client, Alperstein said. In the first, Werdesheim told the teen to move on and the teen responded with expletives and referred to their religion. As he left, Werdesheim saw the teen break off a piece of wooden pallet with nails still attached and begin to pace back and forth, and he returned to try to defuse the situation, according to the lawyer.

“If it was intended to be an assault, it would have happened in `Round One,’” he said.

Susan Green, an attorney for 21-year-old Avi Werdesheim, a pre-med student at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, who was not a Shomrim member, said she would raise questions about the identification of her client.
 

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why is everything a hate crime now days i dont pay attention to race or religion if i get in a fight with someone i dont say "hey before i hit you are you jewish or black?" its bullshit if a black guy kicks my ass i wouldn say it was a hate crime it was a fight between two people not a white person and a black person the media is just trying to get ratings and making it worse.

everyone is equal or at least thats how i see it if they want to charge that guy for shooting martin thats fine but dont tell me it was because he was black maybe the shooter was just a **** would have shot anyone in that situation SMH
 

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why is everything a hate crime now days i dont pay attention to race or religion if i get in a fight with someone i dont say "hey before i hit you are you jewish or black?" its bullshit if a black guy kicks my ass i wouldn say it was a hate crime it was a fight between two people not a white person and a black person the media is just trying to get ratings and making it worse.

everyone is equal or at least thats how i see it if they want to charge that guy for shooting martin thats fine but dont tell me it was because he was black maybe the shooter was just a **** would have shot anyone in that situation SMH
wishful thinking man, I recommand to read The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexander. It's a college level book (idk your age), but its an interesting and very informative book.
 

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wishful thinking man, I recommand to read The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexander. It's a college level book (idk your age), but its an interesting and very informative book.
i am very old and pretty well read on things i feel important racism will never go away witch is a shame.

the next time a white kid gets killed by a black guy even if it is justified some asshat will say he hates white people

the only way no one says anything about race is if the two people in the "event" are from the same race its stupid
 

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I face a lot of Black attack people or stealing.I hate them but not really much.
My neighbor friend was abused by a Black kid so i tired with them
Uhh im sorry that all that happend, but just because they did something you automatically looked at their skin color and just said, i hate black people? that doesnt make any type of since. Just because they were black doesnt mean that every black person is like that and for you to think that is pure stupidity. You act like their isnt a bad person in every race.

White/ Black/ Hispanic/ Asian and every other race shouldnt be judged because of their skin but by their character. Reconsider how you think about all of this, youll live a better life and youll see people are people, we're all the same on the inside.
 
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I face a lot of Black attack people or stealing.I hate them but not really much.
My neighbor friend was abused by a Black kid so i tired with them
just because one or two people of a certain race or religion did something bad to you or hurt you in some way doesnt mean that whole race is to bame hitler was white and i am nothing like that douche see my point if you want to go by that way of thinkg all white people are evil dicks because look at all the bad shit whites have done in the past but we are not all the same im white i dont hate no one sure there are people i dont like both black and white and jewish but it is people i know personally and have done me wrong in some way not just because they are black or jewish as a matter of fact there are many more white people i dont like than any other race
 

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i am very old and pretty well read on things i feel important racism will never go away witch is a shame.

the next time a white kid gets killed by a black guy even if it is justified some asshat will say he hates white people

the only way no one says anything about race is if the two people in the "event" are from the same race its stupid
i agree I wish it would all disappear, but this colorblind society only sounds nice. But being that you like good reads, you should check that book out one day.

Uhh im sorry that all that happend, but just because they did something you automatically looked at their skin color and just said, i hate black people? that doesnt make any type of since. Just because they were black doesnt mean that every black person is like that and for you to think that is pure stupidity. You act like their isnt a bad person in every race.

White/ Black/ Hispanic/ Asian and every other race shouldnt be judged because of their skin but by their character. Reconsider how you think about all of this, youll live a better life and youll see people are people, we're all the same on the inside.
just because one or two people of a certain race or religion did something bad to you or hurt you in some way doesnt mean that whole race is to bame hitler was white and i am nothing like that douche see my point if you want to go by that way of thinkg all white people are evil dicks because look at all the bad shit whites have done in the past but we are not all the same im white i dont hate no one sure there are people i dont like both black and white and jewish but it is people i know personally and have done me wrong in some way not just because they are black or jewish as a matter of fact there are many more white people i dont like than any other race
well said by the both of you :D
 

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why is everything a hate crime now days i dont pay attention to race or religion if i get in a fight with someone i dont say "hey before i hit you are you jewish or black?" its bullshit if a black guy kicks my ass i wouldn say it was a hate crime it was a fight between two people not a white person and a black person the media is just trying to get ratings and making it worse.

everyone is equal or at least thats how i see it if they want to charge that guy for shooting martin thats fine but dont tell me it was because he was black maybe the shooter was just a **** would have shot anyone in that situation SMH
These days anything against anyone who isn't white is a hate crime. They claim they want racial equality but things like this being front page news all the time only promote racial separation. If it was 2 black guys kicked a white kids ass, which is something I have watched happen more than once, then this wouldn't be anything more than an ass kicking. If you really want people to consider every race to be equal, stop making big deals out of everything like this just because its white on black crime. In reality, all it's just crime, plain simple crime.



Tell me this isn't a hate crime, but nobody made a big deal out of it, because it was black on white crime. Stop pointing out the difference in what races commit the crimes, and people will stop pointing out the difference in what race people are. Were all humanity, and all these "hate crime" headlines serve no purpose other than to promote racism.
 

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These days anything against anyone who isn't white is a hate crime. They claim they want racial equality but things like this being front page news all the time only promote racial separation. If it was 2 black guys kicked a white kids ass, which is something I have watched happen more than once, then this wouldn't be anything more than an ass kicking. If you really want people to consider every race to be equal, stop making big deals out of everything like this just because its white on black crime. In reality, all it's just crime, plain simple crime.



Tell me this isn't a hate crime, but nobody made a big deal out of it, because it was black on white crime. Stop pointing out the difference in what races commit the crimes, and people will stop pointing out the difference in what race people are. Were all humanity, and all these "hate crime" headlines serve no purpose other than to promote racism.
who said that wasnt a hate crime?? who said hate crimes are one-sided?? As we know certain cases recieve more coverage, its our business to make the issue known. I think this was an act as a result of the Martin case. Also, i wouldnt say its to promote racism, but to show this still exist and its tiring for people to pretend it doesnt
 

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These days anything against anyone who isn't white is a hate crime. They claim they want racial equality but things like this being front page news all the time only promote racial separation. If it was 2 black guys kicked a white kids ass, which is something I have watched happen more than once, then this wouldn't be anything more than an ass kicking. If you really want people to consider every race to be equal, stop making big deals out of everything like this just because its white on black crime. In reality, all it's just crime, plain simple crime.



Tell me this isn't a hate crime, but nobody made a big deal out of it, because it was black on white crime. Stop pointing out the difference in what races commit the crimes, and people will stop pointing out the difference in what race people are. Were all humanity, and all these "hate crime" headlines serve no purpose other than to promote racism.
lol I just read that news report... and the victims last name is Coon?? wtf xd
maybe that had something to do with it...I dunna just thought that was weird. but still, lighting a guy on fire is messed up.


regardless, the worlds always been a f'd up place, but now it's just more known.
gotta stop feeding into this media b.s.
 
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who said that wasnt a hate crime?? who said hate crimes are one-sided?? As we know certain cases recieve more coverage, its our business to make the issue known. I think this was an act as a result of the Martin case. Also, i wouldnt say its to promote racism, but to show this still exist and its tiring for people to pretend it doesnt
There has almost never in history been a hate crime charge pressed against anyone who wasn't white. The Trayvon Martin case is only being made a big deal because its an election year. I blame mainstream media. They only put out stories that will get attention. I bet you have heard of Trayvon Martin, but never heard of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, although what happened to them was 100x worse. This article here is interesting, it talks about how hate crimes are one sided.



I think hate crimes shouldn't exist, crime is crime no matter who commits it against who. If that kid had gotten beat up by 2 black people, you never would have heard of it. 90% of the country thinks the guy who shot Trayvon Martin is white, when hes Hispanic, and all in all the media is doing everything in their power to promote racism just so they can score some views.
 
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Racism is still alive in 2012? You'd think people would grow up by now and stop being monsters. One's appearance shouldn't justify anything.


As for this, yet another case the media will rape. People who do hurt others should be punished, but life can be rough sometimes and it doesn't always turn out the right way. Anyways, it's horrible the media focuses on their religion and race. Seriously.
 

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There has almost never in history been a hate crime charge pressed against anyone who wasn't white. The Trayvon Martin case is only being made a big deal because its an election year. I blame mainstream media. They only put out stories that will get attention. I bet you have heard of Trayvon Martin, but never heard of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, although what happened to them was 100x worse. This article here is interesting, it talks about how hate crimes are one sided.



I think hate crimes shouldn't exist, crime is crime no matter who commits it against who. If that kid had gotten beat up by 2 black people, you never would have heard of it. 90% of the country thinks the guy who shot Trayvon Martin is white, when hes Hispanic, and all in all the media is doing everything in their power to promote racism just so they can score some views.
a lot of this boils down to the case themselves. Did any of them claim self-defense??
 

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Yo this whole "black people getting beat up/killed by neighborhood watch group members" thing is getting annoying and making me perosnally go crazy for reals..

just yester i went for a job interview right, i was walking in a foreign town and im looking for the building i had an interview in. i get into a block and read the sign "this area is patrolled by negihborwatch" or some ish like that and the only thing i kept thinking about was the Trayvon case.. im like damn what if a Zimmerman roll up on me..

mind you im black, on that day i had a black leather jacket, but i had a gray hoodie underneath... and thats all i kept thinking about .... I HAVE A HOODIE ON AND IM BLACK.. but i have a dress shirt, tie, slacks and shoes cuz im going for an interview.. i walk down the street of that block and its a rich white neighborhood mind you, i see mexicans doing their yard work in the area and they look at me, they give me a look like "whats he doing here?" kinda look and im thinking shit if the mexicans who dont even live there and work there are giving me this look i best be out...

i was out..

this whole neighborhood watch thing with black people being attacked.. is that the fad now in 2012? wtf?

with the media throwing these things in our faces.. its getting annoying like i said and starting to mess with my head
 
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Yo this whole "black people getting beat up/killed by neighborhood watch group members" thing is getting annoying and making me perosnally go crazy for reals..

just yester i went for a job interview right, i was walking in a foreign town and im looking for the building i had an interview in. i get into a block and read the sign "this area is patrolled by negihborwatch" or some ish like that and the only thing i kept thinking about was the Trayvon case.. im like damn what if a Zimmerman roll up on me..

mind you im black, on that day i had a black leather jacket, but i had a gray hoodie underneath... and thats all i kept thinking about .... I HAVE A HOODIE ON AND IM BLACK.. but i have a dress shirt, tie, slacks and shoes cuz im going for an interview.. i walk down the street of that block and its a rich white neighborhood mind you, i see mexicans doing their yard work in the area and they look at me, they give me a look like "whats he doing here?" kinda look and im thinking shit if the mexicans who dont even live there and work there are giving me this look i best be out...

i was out..

this whole neighborhood watch thing with black people being attacked.. is that the fad now in 2012? wtf?

with the media throwing these things in our faces.. its getting annoying like i said and starting to mess with my head
its an easy excuse to get away with a crime tbh, gives one the "self-defense" plea

btw i would have been sweating too lol
 
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