[Discussion] Smoker vs

[Uzumaki Macho]

Smoker vs Luffy
Smoker vs Zoro
Smoker vs Sanji

Imo Luffy wins low diff, Zoro mid-high diff, and Sanji or Smoker beat the other one extreme diff.

 

[Wretched]

Luffy low-mid
Zoro mid-high
Sanji high-extreme

 

[Bogard]

Lol it is funny. I wanted to make this thread just to the reactions now that Luffy pulled that shit. Seems that you read my mind. Wonder what would be the excuses this time. I'd give my input later though when i come back home

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lol it is funny. I wanted to make this thread just to the reactions now that Luffy pulled that shit. Seems that you read my mind. Wonder what would be the excuses this time. I'd give my input later though when i come back home

Can't wait for the two Smoker fans to come in here and try and say Smoker can push Luffy to mid-high even though Luffy is kicking the ass of a guy who negged Smoker.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Luffy tanked Athlete thread this chapter. It did 0 damage..
At this point Smoker's little haki punches would do absolutely nothing.
Low diff by feats is being generous
But people will say that they have been portrayed as rivals or whatever so Smoker gives him high - extreme difficulty

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Luffy tanked Athlete thread this chapter. It did 0 damage..
At this point Smoker's little haki punches would do absolutely nothing.
Low diff by feats is being generous
But people will say that they have been portrayed as rivals or whatever so Smoker gives him high - extreme difficulty

Not to mention that Doflamingo negged Smoker, and Luffy is now beating up Doflamingo.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Not to mention that Doflamingo negged Smoker, and Luffy is now beating up Doflamingo.

Smoker vs G2 only Luffy is more fair, I'd still favor Luffy though since he always appeared to have more raw strength..
G4 would result in an unholy godstomp.
How many Kong Gun's could Smoker tank? And there is pretty much no dodging, hell it practically blitzed Doflamingo this chapter. And Smokers endurance feats are not that great either.
He went down after 1 attack from Doffy, Luffy has continuesly been taking slashes, punches and kicks from Doffy.
Smoker who?

 

[Hexuze]

Not to mention that Doflamingo negged Smoker, and Luffy is now beating up Doflamingo.

A defenseless Smoker, who was injured with his fight before that.

OT: A pretty sad thread but we never saw Smoker's fully capabilities. It's more than obvious with this chapter that Oda is going to beef Smoker up like crazy just to have him on par with Luffy's gear 4th or at least pose a threat to him.

Smoker > Zoro
Smoker > Sanji

The winner between Luffy or Smoker would be hard to say since we never saw Smoker's full potential. PH was more of a character development arc for Smoker IMO, than an arc to show what he is capable of.

 

[U mAd]

luffy beats smoker neg diffs if he uses gear 4th.low diffs in gear 2&3.

zoro beats smoker midd diff.zoro basically negged pica after he came to normal form.he hasnt shown his full power yet.

sanji wins high diff since dolfamingo acknowledged that hes strong and was able to put up a better fight against doffy and vergo without knowing their abilities while smoker had info about their abilities.

smoker isnt luffy's rival marine anymore,cobbys soon gonna step up to the position.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

A defenseless Smoker, who was injured with his fight before that.

OT: A pretty sad thread but we never saw Smoker's fully capabilities. It's more than obvious with this chapter that Oda is going to beef Smoker up like crazy just to have him on par with Luffy's gear 4th or at least pose a threat to him.

Smoker > Zoro
Smoker > Sanji

The winner between Luffy or Smoker would be hard to say since we never saw Smoker's full potential. PH was more of a character development arc for Smoker IMO, than an arc to show what he is capable of.

Lmao I was waiting for your lame excuses. Seriously, just admit you were wrong. Sanji gave Smoker a rejuvenating meal before Doflamingo showed up. Smoker knew that his full strength wasn't enough to beat Vergo, which is why he focused on getting Law's heart back. Law mid diffed him and Luffy is definitely stronger than Law, so it would be a low diff. Zoro has far superior fears to Smoker and mid-high diffs him.

 

[Hexuze]

Lmao I was waiting for your lame excuses. Seriously, just admit you were wrong. Sanji gave Smoker a rejuvenating meal before Doflamingo showed up. Smoker knew that his full strength wasn't enough to beat Vergo, which is why he focused on getting Law's heart back. Law mid diffed him and Luffy is definitely stronger than Law, so it would be a low diff. Zoro has far superior fears to Smoker and mid-high diffs him.

Yeah, I can tell by this thread, hence why I said it's sad LOL. Why would I admit that I'm wrong? I'll just wait till we see Smoker again and have his fight with Luffy and let you know, instead of just blindly saying who will win or not (after Luffy's powerup). I doubt it will be low diff. once they face off again. So you're going to tell me that Oda developed Smoker as a character and his whole goal to capture Luffy, only to have Luffy to defeat him at low-diff.? That ABC logic won't work with the Luffy/Law example, you're giving. Brawlers will have a hard time facing against Law, so you can't just use that outcome to suggest it'll be a low diff. We never saw none of Smoker's DF potential either, just his feats in CoA. It's just unfair to judge the two from what we've seen. As for the meal, yeah, it helped him his fatigue but his injuries never healed completely, hence the bandages. Also, I forgot to add, Smoker never had his weapon either.

 

[Bogard]

To be fair, Doflamingo reacted to all Luffy's attacks besides the second one(deciding to block the first before being surprised by the attack power, dodging the third and surprised by the malliability of the fourth), and tanked Luffy's attacks pretty well despite those attacks being direct hits to the face, even found openings to counter-attack(Luffy has difficulties to find his balance in this mode) but was surprised by the new durability the mode gave to him. He isn't terribly outclassed at all and it would depend on how much weakened he exactly is alongside his possible trump card in following chapters. He is still in observation mode now

He does low-mid diff Smoker in this state though

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

After the reveal of G4, I'm sure Smoker will have a powerup

1. Luffy high difficulty
2. Tie with Zoro
3. Ultra high diffs Sanji

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Luffy doesn't need gear 4 to beat Smoker

After the reveal of G4, I'm sure Smoker will have a powerup

1. Luffy high difficulty
2. Tie with Zoro
3. Ultra high diffs Sanji

Are mother ****ing serious? Luffy is stomping Doflamingo and you think he will high diff Smoker? Lmao

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

After the reveal of G4, I'm sure Smoker will have a powerup

1. Luffy high difficulty
2. Tie with Zoro
3. Ultra high diffs Sanji

But he hasn't gotten his powerup yet.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

But he hasn't gotten his powerup yet.

I'm not sure , maybe I'm the only one but maybe Smoker has hit the limit of his capabilities?
He is not exactly the youngest marine either.. If after 2 years in the new world he is still this underwhelming I fear he might not be able to keep up. Coby already surpassed him I think

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

But he hasn't gotten his powerup yet.

When he gets it he'll tie with Luffy, as Garp did with Roger

Luffy doesn't need gear 4 to beat Smoker


Are mother ****ing serious? Luffy is stomping Doflamingo and you think he will high diff Smoker? Lmao

Have you seen Doflamingo?! He's perfectly fine! He's being matched by Luffy! It won't be an easy fight! They're currently on even footing, except Doflamingos internal organs have been torn to shreds... Doflamingo isn't even fit to fight, and yet they're a match. How would Luffy stomp Smoker?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

When he gets it he'll tie with Luffy, as Garp did with Roger

Have you seen Doflamingo?! He's perfectly fine! He's being matched by Luffy! It won't be an easy fight! They're currently on even footing, except Doflamingos internal organs have been torn to shreds... Doflamingo isn't even fit to fight, and yet they're a match. How would Luffy stomp Smoker?

Ok but we're talking about PH Smoker here, and no, he won't tie with Luffy when he does get a powerup. Luffy is also seriously damaged right now, as said by Doflamingo. They are on even footing. A healed Smoker got negged by a healthy Doflamingo and a damaged Luffy is beating a damaged Doflamingo.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Ok but we're talking about PH Smoker here, and no, he won't tie with Luffy when he does get a powerup. Luffy is also seriously damaged right now, as said by Doflamingo. They are on even footing. A healed Smoker got negged by a healthy Doflamingo and a damaged Luffy is beating a damaged Doflamingo.

I realise we're talking about PH Smoker, what other Smoker would we be talking about? Seriously, you're so condescending it's laughable, especially when it's you who doesn't understand what I'm saying

Smoker was: beaten by Vergo in an attempt to get Laws heart back, not fighting Vergo with intent to kill. Full health Doffy vs very much weakened Smoker doesn't count.

Secondly: considering Luffy had only been hit TWICE ever, before activating G4, It's clear he's nowhere near as bad as Doffy who had his organs annihilated. It's amazing he's even alive, regardless of his stitching, holding his body together.

 

[Bogard]

Even if you consider Smoker was weakened against Doflamingo(something baseless when he ate Sanji's meal), he still couldn't even remotely put up a fight against him. It's not like he actually made Doflamingo struggle before collapsing. No, Doflamingo practically one shoted him, showing the complete difference in level. Not to mention, Smoker got mid diffed by Vergo, someone inferior to Doflamingo. That alone tells that the best Smoker could give to Doflamingo is a low diff fight. Gear4 is matching if not completely exceeding weakened Doflamingo now and thus putting him in Doflamingo's general tier where he can low-mid diff Smoker level fighters

Even if we go by stats, Luffy totally outclasses him in major areas and Smoker would have difficulties to just damage Luffy unless he gets a lucky shot with his jutte to immobilize Luffy