[Discussion] Smoker vs Luffy

[Forbidden Tale]

Ohhh you're one of those guys that think Zoro is the only Strawhat that trains or something. You do realize Oda said in an SBS that Luffy exercises at a large level, right? No, of course you don't.

Proof that Law trained? He's stronger now than he was before. You don't need the brain of a supercomputer to figure that out.

If you think pirates don't train to get stronger, just don't respond to me, this back and forth won't be going anywhere then.

Training is not the only way to get stronger. What's your suggesting you here is not proof, just one way of thinking.

Zoro was showed training. Tho, he never trained to cut metal. Still he learned how to cut it when it was most needed, in a fight (he learned to cut it in the fight) against Daz Bones.

And this whole reply is just Argumentum ad hominem.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Training is not the only way to get stronger. What's your suggesting you here is not proof, just one way of thinking.

Zoro was showed training. Tho, he never trained to cut metal. Still he learned how to cut it when it was most needed, in a fight (he learned to cut it in the fight) against Daz Bones.

And this whole reply is just Argumentum ad hominem.

Did you ever stop to consider that his training to cut metal was part of his normal training for the rest of his swordplay?

I know training isn't the only way to get stronger. Which defeats your point even further. If training isn't the only way to get stronger, then how does LufdLuffy training more automatically make him better, as you said? Wouldn't that mean that Law's fighting in the New World, which you claim is why he's stronger than pre-skip, isn't equivalent to Luffy's training with Rayleigh and that's why he's keeping up with Luffy? Your argument falls apart at every turn dude. First, you lack proof that Law took it easy completely. Then, you say that he didn't go to NNW right away knowing that that also applies to Luffy. Then you tried to use Luffy being self-taught as merit right after using his teacher as merit. Then, right after saying Luffy should be stronger because he trained more and harder, you say training isn't all that makes up strength.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Did you ever stop to consider that his training to cut metal was part of his normal training for the rest of his swordplay?

I know training isn't the only way to get stronger. Which defeats your point even further. If training isn't the only way to get stronger, then how does LufdLuffy training more automatically make him better, as you said? Wouldn't that mean that Law's fighting in the New World, which you claim is why he's stronger than pre-skip, isn't equivalent to Luffy's training with Rayleigh and that's why he's keeping up with Luffy? Your argument falls apart at every turn dude. First, you lack proof that Law took it easy completely. Then, you say that he didn't go to NNW right away knowing that that also applies to Luffy. Then you tried to use Luffy being self-taught as merit right after using his teacher as merit. Then, right after saying Luffy should be stronger because he trained more and harder, you say training isn't all that makes up strength.

What you writte there is exactly what I'm trying to say to you whole time, but you keep misunderestanding it .

Luffy training equals NW survivial. Luffy's training equals Kid's survival in NW, Appo's survival in NW, Drake's survival in NW. Problem is that again Law had free time one his own before going to NW, because he waited for right moment......

Oh yeah, Law can trained for that time (even though he was chill and didn't seems to be motivated fro training at all). In that case there is argument that Law is not talented as Luffy. In 24 years he gets to the level that Luffy got in just 17 years. So even if he trained for that time, his increase in strength during his training isn't as big as Luffy's at that time.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I think pple take too much relevance on 5hw kind of trining n by whom one was trained during the time when all that matters is what strenght did the individual gain compared to certain pple they were comparable to pre–skip and all in all no major shockers have been shown bar maybe Smoker though all he had over most pple in preskip was intangibility so with haki he really faces quite the challenge from pple he wld have been easily said stronger than preskip. Alabasta Luffy with a counter to Smoker's intangibility beats Smoker with less difficulty than he did Crocodile n with the later upgrades to Luffy he lessens the diff.