SM Naruto vs Pain

[Persona]

People have the believe that Sagemode Naruto beat Pain. But is this actually true?

Pain was badly handicapped after destroying a village, deva path was not available. in the end when deva beat naruto, the kyuubi helped him. Now some say kyuubi is narutos power so its legit. It ISN'T. at the time when kyuubi become narutos friend, he become a perfect jinchuriki because he could use kyuubis chakra ON HIS OWN. against deva, kyuubi took control over naruto, so it wasnt naruto who fought pain anymore.

So what if sagemode naruto will fight a full power pain with all 6 bodies power available at once? how this fight will turn out to be?

 

[Turson]

Pain wins this with low difficutly.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Old Sage Mode Naruto would lose.

Current would win.

 

[Turson]

Old Sage Mode Naruto would lose.

Current would win.

Is current SM Naruto stronger than the old one? I didnt notice that.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Is current SM Naruto stronger than the old one? I didnt notice that.

Current Naruto can fuse with Ma and Pa since the Kyuubi is no longer hostile. Thus it no longer means bunshins that gather sage chakra, so he can use as many clones as he wants to in Sage Mode.

He can also use stuff like

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[DeaDloCk]

Pain wins with low difficulty...

 

[Turson]

Current Naruto can fuse with Ma and Pa since the Kyuubi is no longer hostile. Thus it no longer means bunshins that gather sage chakra, so he can use as many clones as he wants to in Sage Mode.

Up to this point Naruto didnt fuse with Ma and Pa, we cant tell how strong he would be. Im talking about characters with current feats.

 

[BazzBee]

Pain owns i bet the ugly path could solo him

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Up to this point Naruto didnt fuse with Ma and Pa, we cant tell how strong he would be. Im talking about characters with current feats.

Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he can't.

Refer to the '' How to debate properly '' thread and see the deductions section.

By that logic Madara has neither Amaterasu nor Tsukuyomi because he hasn't shown them.

 

[Turson]

Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he can't.

I never said he cant do that, only that he didnt. I never saw SM Naruto fused with Ma and Pa in action, I dont know how strong he would be, therefore including that in vs. threads which should be based on facts and displayed feats is nonsense.

 

[Sensational]

Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he can't.

Refer to the '' How to debate properly '' thread and see the deductions section.

By that logic Madara has neither Amaterasu nor Tsukuyomi because he hasn't shown them.

And they would be correct to assume so.
Pain still wins mid def, even if naruto fused with ma and pa, pein is still a high class ninja that utilizes all of his abilites. Since im IP blocked from mangareader i can't speak on anything you just posted via images.
But pein has all types of advantages over SM naruto including shared vision, numbers, more experienced, revival factor

 

[Zexion~]

Pain mid Diff at Most Regular SM has no counter For CT or even ST for that matter

 

[Midday]

People saying sm Naruto beat Pain are just wrong. This fight already happened and Pain won even though he couldn't use deva path for most of the fight, Naruto was being supplied with knowledge, had support from a small army of toads and prepared extra sm clones. Currently sm Naruto is stronger than back then but not enough to say he could beat Pain.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Pain wins, Deva almost Solo'd last time and now that he starts at full power Pain would take this low-mid diff.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Pain rapes low diff.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Current Naruto can fuse with Ma and Pa since the Kyuubi is no longer hostile. Thus it no longer means bunshins that gather sage chakra, so he can use as many clones as he wants to in Sage Mode.

He can also use stuff like

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Both those godcrushers are countered by shinra tensei.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Pain wins he was at a disadvantage from the start

 

[Penguin]

If Ma and Pa could fuse with Naruto, he wins Hgih/Very High Diff. If not, Pain wins rather easily.

 

[zamki]

Pain>Sage Mode Naruto

 

[Kages]

Pain high diff