SM Naruto vs Itachi

[LuckyMan]

lool. the shit killed me

Damn was scrolling on my phone and saw it. Let out a laugh out loud and my mom looked at me like "boi wtf you laughing at?" Lmfao.

 

[Apêx1]

How about one of Naruto's 12 clones he used during the war entering SM and completely shitting on V1 Raikage? Let me repeat: Naruto's clone.

Again, how does this prove jack shit? I've beaten you in a debate with Hiashi against Sandaime Raikage, you clearly don't realise how little feats he has to support his 'amazing' speed. So until you bring me a scan of an ACTUAL speed feat Naruto has done, you have absolutely no argument.

Given the pathetic size of those magtamas, a simple turn of the body would let him dodge.

Good he turned, now he feels the Totsuka go right through his back.

It sure as hell looked to me as his normal movement. Shunshin hasn't been shown in the manga like normal body movement.

Baseless claim is baseless once again. If Kishi were to slow down the things and show Sasuke running then that doesn't mean he isn't using Shunshin. Unless you actually believe Shunshin is teleportation of course.

This is why I call you a straw man. Even though Naruto's shown analytical skills, you're coming up with this garbage.

Then you clearly are too retarded to know what a straw man is, especially when I am brining you manga pages of his idiocy.

smh in that first scan you see the difference between two sensors. Nagato saw a MS technique coming long before Itachi opened his eyes. Naruto's own statement, making a comparison between KCM and SM in terms of sensing

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This scan literally shits on that garbage coming out of your mouth in bold.
Here is a question: Why would Naruto even worry about Amaterasu when his chakra arms and cloak completely shit on it?

Oh my, this retard. You clearly have no reading comprehension skills. Let me dumb it down for you. Nagato tells Naruto Ama is coming (Naruto now knows)>Bee throws his sword>Sword REACHES Itachi>Nagato DEFLECTS the sword>Naruto is STILL standing in place. After that, we see Itachi SAY Amaterasu

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then we see Naruto notice it's about to happen (which is how it will be in this fight). Amaterasu REACHES the cereberus and Naruto doesn't move at all, meaning he couldn't react for shit because even though he saw it coming, he was too slow to do anything. We then see Naruto COMMENT saying "His Amaterasu?!" missed in surprise

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Stop being an idiot and giving Naruto your own intelligence feats. Naruto isn't moving even if he hears it being said, AS SHOWN in these pages. You can't say Naruto moves because you said so, because clearly, he didn't move here until Ama was already released because he knew he can't dodge it. And what the actual fūck. How does that scan do anything for your argument? Lmao, it's called danger sensing and it allows SM Naruto to dodge better when he's in danger, hence it's obviously much better for last second reaction. Sensing and SM Sensing are completely different, not sure what it will do either way though, because Nagato told him about it. But regardless of that, Naruto isn't fast enough to disappear from Itachi's eye sight, so he gets set ablaze.

Do everyone a favor, and remove that X from your name. Ape sounds much better.

I might actually do that, just to show NB that even an ape can clown your ass in an official debate lmfao.

You're bullshitting your way through this. Blind mofos like Madara had no problem blitzing people. We have Naruto fighting in total darkness without a problem. Why you reach? You got Itach's **** in your mouth.

Blind people like Madara are 1000 times what Naruto is, don't compare them. And again, quote me saying he CAN'T. That's not possible, because I said it only limits him.

This is the garbage you typed

Why don't you show me a feat of Itachi's clone doing anything remotely close to what Naruto's clones did in the war.

And I asked you for his SM clone's feats first, yet you're avoiding it because you don't know shit about Naruto. Itachi's clones retain his abilities, so he's fast enough and as good enough pre-cog to parry 12 hits from Bee's 7 sword dance with a KUNAI, he has the ability to blitz Bee on two occasions, he can fight on par wit KCM Naruto in CQC, he blitzed Kabuto with the presence of crows, and Kabuto has far better feats then SM Naruto does. Please, stop this bullshit, it's laughable and it's just making you look like an even bigger retard then you already are.

 

[Fockboy]

Itachi uses Totsuka Blade and neg diffs.

 

[Varrah]

What I'm trying to say is that Amaterasu has shown to be dodged by keeping a continuous movement. Just like How Hebi Sasuke was able to temporarily avoid Amaterasu. It wasn't Sasuke's shunshin, as it didn't look anything like Shunshin. As for the Ay argument, Ay doesn't have the sensory abilities of a SM User. He had to perceptually see and react to Amaterasu. SM is sort of a precognition. Naruto can sense Amaterasu coming before it even being casted. As in the war, Naruto's clone was easily able to dodge a V1 raiton armor user. Naruto also said that SM is better in sensing an attack than KCM. Naruto previously dodged V2 Ay, who dodged Amaterasu from an extremely close range. Now SM giving an obviously better advantage in sending, loses in Speed, but makes up for it in sensing Amaterasu coming before it is casted, hence Naruto would start running. Therefore dodging Amaterasu. As far as I remember Itachi can't really continuously spam Ama for more than couple of seconds, which Naruto can avoid by running around the field.

Amaterasu has been shown to be avoided if the recipient is continuously moving; however, Hebi Sasuke avoiding Amaterasu and Ē avoiding Amaterasu is a flawed analogical argument focusing on the similarities more so than the dissimilarities, and thus does not accurately define the matter: in their respectively scenarios the circumstances the differences are much greater than the similarities. Itachi's use of Amaterasu was to bring out Orochimaru, so we see Itachi utilizing Amaterasu in such a matter that wouldn't bring considerable harm Sasuke; Sasuke's use of Amaterasu was to incapacitate or remove Ē so that Sasuke could reach Danzō, so we saw it used in such a matter.

Reread the chapters again to see how differently Itachi and Sasuke used Amaterasu while keeping in mind that Amaterasu is the ignition of amorphous Enton concentrically. That is, Amaterasu fires shapeless Enton wherever the caster is looking or focusing. Itachi was always

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slightly behind Sasuke, the wrong target for igniting Sasuke completely but the right target for Itachi's purposes; and when Itachi does changed his focal point to his Sasuke, it's the

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from the Curse Mark. Itachi never tried to accurately hit Sasuke with Amaterasu in such a matter that, as I said before, would bring considerable harm to Sasuke which is vastly different from Sasuke's use of Amaterasu against Ē. Sasuke literally

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to burn Ē, but Ē shunshin multiple times to avoid it. Sage Mode sensing is similar to precognition, but much like the Sharingan's precognition, it's useless if the user of Sage Mode doesn't have the necessary skills to effectively use it. Again, Ē avoided Sasuke's initial Amaterasu by pure reaction and shunshin in a direction away from it, hence the

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Sasuke's sees; Ē would continue to use this tactic throughout their fight until Gaara arrived. Furthermore, when Naruto

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Ē it was because of the Kyūbi-Chakra-Mode's attributes which failed to notice

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Amaterasu until seeing it; your conclusion that Sage Mode's sensing would enable Naruto to dodge Amaterasu is questionable for you are, again, focusing too much on the the similarities more so than the dissimilarities, and thus are not accurately defining the aforementioned cases that your are using for your analogical argument.



(I should make it clear that I do not disagree with the notion that Sage Mode could avoid Amaterasu, but I don't agree with the reasons your are making for it dong so.)​

 

[Lord Tywin]

Ape is more dangerous to your brain than Alzheimer can ever be. Last response to your dumbass.

Again, how does this prove jack shit? I've beaten you in a debate with Hiashi against Sandaime Raikage, you clearly don't realise how little feats he has to support his 'amazing' speed. So until you bring me a scan of an ACTUAL speed feat Naruto has done, you have absolutely no argument.

Let me post the facts for your blind ass again

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This is the Naruto who effortlessly shat on Muu with Chakra arms. Raikage reacting to a thrown FRS from a point blank range.
Taking a dozen in an instant

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Then Naruto making a direct comparison to V1 Ay

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SM Naruto's clone shat all over that.

For once in your life, take out your head from your ass, read, and actually prove your point.

Good he turned, now he feels the Totsuka go right through his back.

Isn't this ironic? You keep saying "prove this, Prove that", you've yet to show Totsuka's amazing Speed that can blitz Naruto with the help of Magtamas.
inb4 He blitzed an Orochimaru in a big ass snake, not even trying to dodge the sword. Inb4 Itachi blindsiding Nagato.

Baseless claim is baseless once again. If Kishi were to slow down the things and show Sasuke running then that doesn't mean he isn't using Shunshin. Unless you actually believe Shunshin is teleportation of course.

Baseless claim? Did Sasuke's movement looked anything like Shunshin that has shown to look in the manga? When characters use shunshin they've shown to disappear for a brief moment because of their high speed. What Sasuke showed was his normal running speed.

Then you clearly are too retarded to know what a straw man is, especially when I am brining you manga pages of his idiocy.

smh

Oh my, this retard. You clearly have no reading comprehension skills. Let me dumb it down for you. Nagato tells Naruto Ama is coming (Naruto now knows)>Bee throws his sword>Sword REACHES Itachi>Nagato DEFLECTS the sword>Naruto is STILL standing in place. After that, we see Itachi SAY Amaterasu

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then we see Naruto notice it's about to happen (which is how it will be in this fight). Amaterasu REACHES the cereberus and Naruto doesn't move at all, meaning he couldn't react for shit because even though he saw it coming, he was too slow to do anything. We then see Naruto COMMENT saying "His Amaterasu?!" missed in surprise

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I now present the Dumbass award to Apex.

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Bold is baseless claim. We don't know if Naruto heard Nagato. Not in the middle of a damn battle.
Your dumbass still didn't understand my point about the different levels of sensors. Nagato felt Amaterasu coming the moment Itachi closed his eye. SM Naruto would sense Itachi building up chakra before KCM does. With SM Naruto will have a far easier time to deal with Amaterasu than KCM. The difference is when Naruto would sense it. With SM he'd sense it long before Amaterasu is being used, hence Naruto would start moving. In KCM, Naruto would sense it a while later>not being able to move>getting hit by Ama.

Stop being an idiot and giving Naruto your own intelligence feats. Naruto isn't moving even if he hears it being said, AS SHOWN in these pages. You can't say Naruto moves because you said so, because clearly, he didn't move here until Ama was already released because he knew he can't dodge it. And what the actual fūck. How does that scan do anything for your argument? Lmao, it's called danger sensing and it allows SM Naruto to dodge better when he's in danger, hence it's obviously much better for last second reaction. Sensing and SM Sensing are completely different, not sure what it will do either way though, because Nagato told him about it. But regardless of that, Naruto isn't fast enough to disappear from Itachi's eye sight, so he gets set ablaze.

Read above. Not gonna explain it to your dumbass again.

I might actually do that, just to show NB that even an ape can clown your ass in an official debate lmfao.

I'm not the one getting brutally raped like Bill Cosby's victims.

Blind people like Madara are 1000 times what Naruto is, don't compare them. And again, quote me saying he CAN'T. That's not possible, because I said it only limits him.

Blind Madara has better sensory abilites than SM Naruto? smh

And I asked you for his SM clone's feats first, yet you're avoiding it because you don't know shit about Naruto. Itachi's clones retain his abilities, so he's fast enough and as good enough pre-cog to parry 12 hits from Bee's 7 sword dance with a KUNAI, he has the ability to blitz Bee on two occasions, he can fight on par wit KCM Naruto in CQC, he blitzed Kabuto with the presence of crows, and Kabuto has far better feats then SM Naruto does. Please, stop this bullshit, it's laughable and it's just making you look like an even bigger retard then you already are.

Goddamn, you're making yourself sound and look more like an ass clown with every word you're typing. "Show" me an Itachi's clone having better feats than a Naruto clone. Your retard self forgot about Naruto's clones when he used in the war. Your asstard self is listing Itachi's feats, and giving them to Itachi's clones. Asstard indeed.
Bold is goddamn funny. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Should I tell you to go back to third grade again, and take their placement exams once more? But I'm sure you first need to start learning the alphabet again. You don't even know the difference between "than" and "then". Underline is the proof of that. And you got the nerve to call me a retard. You're petty as ****.

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[Lord Tywin]

Amaterasu has been shown to be avoided if the recipient is continuously moving; however, Hebi Sasuke avoiding Amaterasu and Ē avoiding Amaterasu is a flawed analogical argument focusing on the similarities more so than the dissimilarities, and thus does not accurately define the matter: in their respectively scenarios the circumstances the differences are much greater than the similarities. Itachi's use of Amaterasu was to bring out Orochimaru, so we see Itachi utilizing Amaterasu in such a matter that wouldn't bring considerable harm Sasuke; Sasuke's use of Amaterasu was to incapacitate or remove Ē so that Sasuke could reach Danzō, so we saw it used in such a matter.

Reread the chapters again to see how differently Itachi and Sasuke used Amaterasu while keeping in mind that Amaterasu is the ignition of amorphous Enton concentrically. That is, Amaterasu fires shapeless Enton wherever the caster is looking or focusing. Itachi was always

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or

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slightly behind Sasuke, the wrong target for igniting Sasuke completely but the right target for Itachi's purposes; and when Itachi does changed his focal point to his Sasuke, it's the

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from the Curse Mark. Itachi never tried to accurately hit Sasuke with Amaterasu in such a matter that, as I said before, would bring considerable harm to Sasuke which is vastly different from Sasuke's use of Amaterasu against Ē. Sasuke literally

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to burn Ē, but Ē shunshin multiple times to avoid it. Sage Mode sensing is similar to precognition, but much like the Sharingan's precognition, it's useless if the user of Sage Mode doesn't have the necessary skills to effectively use it. Again, Ē avoided Sasuke's initial Amaterasu by pure reaction and shunshin in a direction away from it, hence the

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Sasuke's sees; Ē would continue to use this tactic throughout their fight until Gaara arrived. Furthermore, when Naruto

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Ē it was because of the Kyūbi-Chakra-Mode's attributes which failed to notice

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Amaterasu until seeing it; your conclusion that Sage Mode's sensing would enable Naruto to dodge Amaterasu is questionable for you are, again, focusing too much on the the similarities more so than the dissimilarities, and thus are not accurately defining the aforementioned cases that your are using for your analogical argument.



(I should make it clear that I do not disagree with the notion that Sage Mode could avoid Amaterasu, but I don't agree with the reasons your are making for it dong so.)​

You see the problem is that, like most of you guys are claiming, Itachi could have used Amaterasu on Sasuke's body. Itachi had no problem igniting Sasuke's wing, which is still part of Sasuke's body. Igniting Sasuke's torso, or even legs for that matter would still cause Sasuke to use oral rebirth. So I doubt Itachi's intentions really matter here.

Let's make it easier for both of us. I'll type how I think Naruto would escape Amaterasu, and you tell me what you think about it.

Itachi closes his eyes to build up chakra>Naruto senses the pressure in Itachi's eyes>Naruto starts running, just like Sasuke did>Itachi opens his eyes to cast Amaterasu>Itachi following Naruto's movement to place Amaterasu on him.
I think it can work with Naruto's superior speed to Hebi Sasuke.

 

[Apêx1]

Ape is more dangerous to your brain than Alzheimer can ever be. Last response to your dumbass.

Let me post the facts for your blind ass again

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This is the Naruto who effortlessly shat on Muu with Chakra arms. Raikage reacting to a thrown FRS from a point blank range.
Taking a dozen in an instant

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Then Naruto making a direct comparison to V1 Ay

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SM Naruto's clone shat all over that.

For once in your life, take out your head from your ass, read, and actually prove your point.




Isn't this ironic? You keep saying "prove this, Prove that", you've yet to show Totsuka's amazing Speed that can blitz Naruto with the help of Magtamas.
inb4 He blitzed an Orochimaru in a big ass snake, not even trying to dodge the sword. Inb4 Itachi blindsiding Nagato.



Baseless claim? Did Sasuke's movement looked anything like Shunshin that has shown to look in the manga? When characters use shunshin they've shown to disappear for a brief moment because of their high speed. What Sasuke showed was his normal running speed.



smh


Ladies and Gentlemen, I now present the Dumbass award to Apex.

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Bold is baseless claim. We don't know if Naruto heard Nagato. Not in the middle of a damn battle.
Your dumbass still didn't understand my point about the different levels of sensors. Nagato felt Amaterasu coming the moment Itachi closed his eye. SM Naruto would sense Itachi building up chakra before KCM does. With SM Naruto will have a far easier time to deal with Amaterasu than KCM. The difference is when Naruto would sense it. With SM he'd sense it long before Amaterasu is being used, hence Naruto would start moving. In KCM, Naruto would sense it a while later>not being able to move>getting hit by Ama.


Read above. Not gonna explain it to your dumbass again.


I'm not the one getting brutally raped like Bill Cosby's victims.


Blind Madara has better sensory abilites than SM Naruto? smh


Goddamn, you're making yourself sound and look more like an ass clown with every word you're typing. "Show" me an Itachi's clone having better feats than a Naruto clone. Your retard self forgot about Naruto's clones when he used in the war. Your asstard self is listing Itachi's feats, and giving them to Itachi's clones. Asstard indeed.
Bold is goddamn funny. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Should I tell you to go back to third grade again, and take their placement exams once more? But I'm sure you first need to start learning the alphabet again. You don't even know the difference between "than" and "then". Underline is the proof of that. And you got the nerve to call me a retard. You're petty as ****.

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Now I have gathered posts worth of fail. Best points I have read are;

SM Naruto makes up for the speed loss of KCM Naruto by having greater sensing. SM Naruto is faster than V1 raiton armor, and he makes up the gap to v2 with his sensory ability.

Here we have this retard claim SM Naruto can basically dodge v2 Ay's attacks since his sensing makes up for the lack of speed. SMH

you've yet to show Totsuka's amazing Speed that can blitz Naruto with the help of Magtamas.

This dumbass claiming Susano swords don't have the speed to end up hitting Naruto after continuous assaults and Magatama's.

This is the Naruto who effortlessly shat on Muu with Chakra arms.

Dumbass ACTUALLY implying Naruto can actually BLITZ Mu with chakra arms. SMFHHH

>Posts scans of Raikage jumping to evade FRS, and then claims that this is movement speed instead of agility. BESTEST DEBATUR.

Bold is baseless claim. We don't know if Naruto heard Nagato. Not in the middle of a damn battle.

Nagato shouts to Naruto telling him to beware of Amaterasu, yet DUMBASS#1 says Naruto didn't hear him. ROFL

Your asstard self is listing Itachi's feats, and giving them to Itachi's clones.

Now Itachi's clones DON'T get Itachi's feats? ROFL

I honestly don't know what to tell you. Should I tell you to go back to third grade again, and take their placement exams once more? But I'm sure you first need to start learning the alphabet again.

Retard Apê needs to go back to the third grade apparently. Here's retard Apê owning Krat0s in an official debate.

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Mind you, I was Hiashi and he was Sandaime Raikage, fūcking lmfao. So much tears he had to change his name so people wouldn't remember him as the guy who got smashed by retard Apê.

Edit: Totally forgot to add this; "Red robin, why did you chose this match up? You were a better debater overall and i could tell because of the logic of your posts." The verdict of a debate between RetardRobin and kratos.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Once an assclown, always an assclown. This dumbass thinks just because 100% Itachi could pull off some things, his clones can do the same thing.:lol Are you this dense?
Ape says Nagato shouted, yet forgets Nagato was far as **** from Naruto, and Naruto was thinking about shit at the moment.
This dumbass quoted me God knows how many times, and asked me to prove some shit to him. I did. Once I ask him to prove something, he beats around the bush, and let his mouth produce more shit than a horse's anus. Did you prove Susanoo's sword, or totsuka even causing a remote problem for Naruto, even with the help of Magtamas? sigh
Oh wait, my debate with Paws was voted in my favor, with judges that actually understood my points. EZQ said Paw's logic was better than mine, when Paws thought Katsuya is the same size as the waterdome. EZQ agreed with Paws even after I shat on Paws' points ten fold.
Can you get more petty? I've used multiple other names besides Kratos. But sure, go ahead, and call it what you want. :lol Then when I make a joke thread, you guys start calling me a retard. Lmao bruhhh.

 

[Apêx1]

First sentence was all I needed to read to remember how retarded you are. If 100% Itachi can evade Odama Rasengan, his clone can too. Rofl, does this guy even read this manga? And no excuses son, EZ said RedRobin was a better debater. Agreeing to a few of your points doesn't mean much, especially when you're Kisame and he's Tsunade. Not bothering with the rest though, especially when you previously just said you aren't going to be replying to me.

 

[Varrah]

Let's make it easier for both of us. I'll type how I think Naruto would escape Amaterasu, and you tell me what you think about it.

Itachi closes his eyes to build up chakra>Naruto senses the pressure in Itachi's eyes>Naruto starts running, just like Sasuke did>Itachi opens his eyes to cast Amaterasu>Itachi following Naruto's movement to place Amaterasu on him.
I think it can work with Naruto's superior speed to Hebi Sasuke.

I think it's dependent upon these things:​

1. The speed of Amaterasu and;
   
   
2. The distance or range Amaterasu is used from;
   
   
3. Naruto's reflexive abilities;
   
   
4. Naruto's speed;
   
   
5. and Naruto's form (teen Naruto, adult Naruto).

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I don't think Sage Mode's sensing is the problem, it's the numbered I think that decide whether or not Naruto can avoid Amaterasu.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kratos is funny. L0l.​

 

[Lord Tywin]

I think it's dependent upon these things:​

1. The speed of Amaterasu and;
2. The distance or range Amaterasu is used from;
3. Naruto's reflexive abilities;
4. Naruto's speed;
5. and Naruto's form (teen Naruto, adult Naruto).

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I don't think Sage Mode's sensing is the problem, it's the numbered I think that decide whether or not Naruto can avoid Amaterasu.​

The distance I have in OP is 30M
Amaterasu, to me, seems to travel, rather than just spawning on the location the user wants it. Here is Bee blocking his face with tentacle when he noticed sasuke was using amaterasu

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Bee had his tentacles behind his body before sasuke used amaterasu.
Another example is Itachi using amaterasu

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That top panel shown amaterasu's path before it reached the trees
My point is that Amaterasu travels an at extremely fast speed, but can be dodged by speedsters and those that can sense it before it is cast. Naruto has shown to have a mix of both.

 

[Uchihakil]

Hmm let's see..

-Susano shits on all of Naruto's clones, Naruto can't even dodge the attacks given his lack of speed. Nothing SM Naruto can dish out will destroy v4+Yata. While Naruto thinks Itachi has just died post-Massive FRS he'll be pleasantly surprised with Totsuka's sword sealing him. Inb4 SM sensing allows him to dodge something like Totsuka's sword swinging at him when it can just force him to jump and then hit him while mid-air.

-Yasaka Magatama can force Naruto to dodge them while Totsuka sword hits from the other side.

-Amaterasu cannot be dodged by SM Naruto since it follows whatever the user is gazing upon. Ay dodged it by being too fast for Sasuke to track. Naruto can sense it, doesn't mean he can dodge it. However it's not a main move here.

-Genjutsu takes time for the Bijuu to break, and then there's the fact that the Bijuu actually has to notice a change to notice the Genjutsu to break it. If Itachi makes the Genjutsu realistic it isn't being broken since the Kyuubi isn't going to know Naruto is in a Genjutsu in the first place. And yes, clones are vulnerable to Genjutsu.

-Naruto's lack of intelligence isn't helping him here. Itachi's exploding Bunshin is sent to fight Naruto>Naruto punches it>it explodes in his face and the real Itachi proceeds to blitz with his Susano in a similar fashion to what he did against Nagato after taking away his shared vision.

said all what i wanna say,thanks man

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke is stronger than both tbh

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Restrict Itachi more so he doesn't 1 panel plz.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Sasuke is stronger than both tbh

When we debating bruh

 

[Unorthodox]

When we debating bruh

When i get done with beans and EZQ

 

[lanakui8]

If Naruto is allowe to fuse with ma and pa, then itachi gets wrecked.

If he's not, then he probably still wins with SM chou oodama rasenshuriken or double rasenshurikens to the back of susanoo. Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are complete non-factors when naruto has the ability to make tons of copys of himself + is a perfect jinchuriki, and can obscure the entire battlefield with the collateral of his nukes/SA: dust cloud.