The fact that this post was revolving around Naruto not being able to make SM clones when manga fact proves otherwise makes me laugh. "omfg, making SM clones is the stupidest thing I've seen in my life! I don't care if the manga specifically proves it can happen! I don't want Naruto to win so wah no clones!"
show me where naruto has ever made 1000 sm clones
ems sasuke easily handles ems naruto,killer b rapes sm naruto. Naruto is utterly fodderized here,this wanking is getting simply stupid.
You guys are underrating him , it's not my fault he only fights top tier battles nowadays so in comparison he doesn't seem as impressive. He's basically god level in current Naruto everyone who isn't Madara, Tobi, Hashirama and maybe Kabuto utterly pale in comparison.
show me where naruto has ever made 1000 sm clones
ems sasuke easily handles ems naruto,killer b rapes sm naruto. Naruto is utterly fodderized here,this wanking is getting simply stupid.
Ok, let's make a deduction through common sense shall we
Has Naruto entered SM? Yes
Has Naruto made clones? Yes
Is anything against him being able to use them together? No
Did the manga specifically show that he got over his "gathering chakra with clones" weakness? Yes
There ya go, do you have literally anything to say otherwise that proves why he wouldn't be able to? Didnt think so, logic and manga fact>>>>your opinions and exaggerations.
Oh and he kinda did do it on panel before. I'm completely baffled youd deny his ability to do it at all, it shocks me that youd pull some random thing and claim Naruto cant do that, that's illogical and retarded. But it doesn't matter because there's scans anyway.
^ That's a thousand clones right Joki? That's not even 100 bro. This fight happened in Naruto's head the clones got into SM while they were moving and KB was useless here so the fight isn't in anyway definitive evidence. And since when has Naruto got over gathering chakra with clones, this is SM Naruto we are talking about not KM Naruto.
You severely over estimate how much Naruto can do with one charge of SM. 2 FRS or 1 FRS and Giant Rasengan barrage is what he has achieved so far at maximum. And even Sasuke can take these moves. Rasengan barrage does no damage to Susanoo and FRS get's shot by Katon / Ametarasu and does no damage Fire > Wind. Show me where he has done anything more than this. You can't so you are going to claim Naruto can make 1000 SM clones and use 13 FRS at the same time or some other BS you are simply making up without any evidence or logic what so ever.
Your whole Naruto can make 1000 SM clones argument is BS. With same logic I can say Naruto has made clones so KM Naruto can make 1000 KM clones - see how stupid this logic is?
You guys are underrating him , it's not my fault he only fights top tier battles nowadays so in comparison he doesn't seem as impressive. He's basically god level in current Naruto everyone who isn't Madara, Tobi, Hashirama and maybe Kabuto utterly pale in comparison.
Ok, let's make a deduction through common sense shall we
Has Naruto entered SM? Yes
Has Naruto made clones? Yes
Is anything against him being able to use them together? No
Did the manga specifically show that he got over his "gathering chakra with clones" weakness? Yes
There ya go, do you have literally anything to say otherwise that proves why he wouldn't be able to? Didnt think so, logic and manga fact>>>>your opinions and exaggerations.
Oh and he kinda did do it on panel before. I'm completely baffled youd deny his ability to do it at all, it shocks me that youd pull some random thing and claim Naruto cant do that, that's illogical and retarded. But it doesn't matter because there's scans anyway.
You guys are underrating him , it's not my fault he only fights top tier battles nowadays so in comparison he doesn't seem as impressive. He's basically god level in current Naruto everyone who isn't Madara, Tobi, Hashirama and maybe Kabuto utterly pale in comparison.
I'm not underrating SM Naruto at all. I even prefer SM Naruto to KM Naruto tbh, but i think you're overrating him by saying that he can beat EMS Sasuke, Killer-Bee, Kakuzu and Deidara together. Just Deidara is a bad match up for him since he is a long range fighter and with C4, he has no sharingan to be able to see and counter it. I can understand you can believe he can beat Sasuke or even all of them in 1vs1, but beating them together is really impossible(unless plot) or you are really underrating his opponents
this is a joke,if naruto makes 1000 clones while in sm,he will exit sage mode immediately,those clones were moving and entering sage mode,that's not possible outside his mind. Killer bee or ems sasuke would solo this.
^ That's a thousand clones right Joki? That's not even 100 bro. This fight happened in Naruto's head the clones got into SM while they were moving and KB was useless here so the fight isn't in anyway definitive evidence. And since when has Naruto got over gathering chakra with clones, this is SM Naruto we are talking about not KM Naruto.
Ok, now with Kurama's chakra Naruto casually made hundreds f Cho Odama Rasengan in base, with 8% chakra and he was exhausted and about to die. Something tells me Naruto can make 1k clones with ease. Maybe...the first chapter of the manga?
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You severely over estimate how much Naruto can do with one charge of SM. 2 FRS or 1 FRS and Giant Rasengan barrage is what he has achieved so far at maximum.
Guess what? That was without Kurama's cooperation. And during the Pain fight. So as of now, you're provbing me 100% correct when I said "you haven't read past the pain fight" if you think Naruto is limited 2 FRS. He has nigh infinite chakra, get out with baseless speculation.
And even Sasuke can take these moves. Rasengan barrage does no damage to Susano
Prove it. I've said repeatedly over and over again to support what Susano'o can tank. You've given nothing. No one has given me one damn scan to support their side, my scans alone utterly destroy your argument, I could throw a piece of lint and Susano'o would break as far as your proof is concerned. I actually support my arguments, where's your proof? christ
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and FRS get's shot by Katon / Ametarasu and does no damage Fire > Wind.
Now give me ANYTHING that says anyone on this team can do ANY shit to survive that. You haven't given shit to support your side, like I said I actually give scans to support what I have to say.
You can't so you are going to claim Naruto can make 1000 SM clones and use 13 FRS at the same time or some other BS you are simply making up without any evidence or logic what so ever.
Really? because Naruto has done that shit on panel, and you obviously can't comprehend the manga if you don't think Naruto's capable of that at the time. Remember when Naruto made 13 clones and every single one of them spammed the shit out of at least 3 FRS, Wakusei Rasengan, Cho Odama Rasengan Barrage, and similar? Yeah. That was at 7% chakra, now where's your damn proof, I'm waiting.
Your whole Naruto can make 1000 SM clones argument is BS. With same logic I can say Naruto has made clones so KM Naruto can make 1000 KM clones - see how stupid this logic is?
Sorry, as proven above, it's not BS nor baseless. You actually have to prove your arguments. I've already given proof multiple times, you neglect to post proof. (However, that's because you don't have shit for proof, and you're BSing, and you know Naruto crushes team 2, if you had any proof whatsoever at least ONE of you would have posted somethign already but nope, nothing!)
How is that stupid logic? He has Kurama's cooperation now and won't die from taking his chakra, he can make as many clones as he wants.
Just because he didn't do it on panel doesn't mean he can't do it, are you kidding me dude? What's next, "Naruto can't make 5 clones and do an Uzumaki Rendan in SM because he only showed that in Base and whilst 13?" Or maybe even "Naruto can't use 20 clones and throw shuriken with them because he never showed that outside of base either"?
Get real, if you're only accepting on panel stuff, Sasuke's susano'o hasn't tanked a damn thing and I'd like proof it can tank me throwing a paper airplane at it. Sasuke's only--Madara's and Itachi's are different and totally speculation and bullshit. Thanks.
My my, not 1000 clones on the dot? As if it makes a difference, no one has given any proof whatsoever to support team 2, they get destroyed by cho odama rasengan barrage easily, 100 or 1000. Any proof to say otherwise? No? Yeah, thought so.
I'm not underrating SM Naruto at all. I even prefer SM Naruto to KM Naruto tbh, but i think you're overrating him by saying that he can beat EMS Sasuke, Killer-Bee, Kakuzu and Deidara together. Just Deidara is a bad match up for him since he is a long range fighter and with C4, he has no sharingan to be able to see and counter it. I can understand you can believe he can beat Sasuke or even all of them in 1vs1, but beating them together is really impossible(unless plot) or you are really underrating his opponents
Okay, then what can any of them do to win? Deidara's far too slow, he gets pummeled to death by kawazu kumite or vaporized by an FRS(which Pain paths who blitzed jonin, sensor ninjas, and reacted to one of the fastest characters couldn't dodge). Kakuzu gets vaporized by an FRS just like before, except this is its perfected SM version and Kurama grants nigh unlimited chakra so Naruto will never run out and can use FRSes repeatedly. Naruto kicked Kurama's ass and beat him down with physical strength, multiple FRS and Cho Odama Rasengan Barrage, so Bee's not doing shit(and Bee's so devastating he'd probably kill his own team in the process of attempting to win or stand a chance).
Then Sasuke, well, no one has given shit for proof, so Konohamaru punches his Susano'o once and it shatters into a million pieces, so Naruto stomps effortlessly until someone proves otherwise. Oh yeah, and no one's given shit for the others either, but that's to be expected from someone who thinks this is the same Naruto that fought Pain.
this is a joke,if naruto makes 1000 clones while in sm,he will exit sage mode immediately,those clones were moving and entering sage mode,that's not possible outside his mind. Killer bee or ems sasuke would solo this.
You haven't explained how KB or Sasuke would do anything to win. I would challenge you to post proof, but since I know for a fact there is no proof that says why KB or Sasuke stands a chance, I'll be waiting forever just like for the other guys. Why do you think I say Naruto wins? because I like him, or because I checked every single scan that all of the fighters did and weighed in the evidence that Naruto would win because team 2 has virtually nothing impressive that can stand up to the 9 tails perfect jin with sage mode, nigh unlimited chakra, FRS spam, Choodama rasengan spam, the list goes on and on, and from you guys? Nada. Zip. Nothing whatsoever.
Hm? It doesn't wrap shit up, at least not for you, who abandoned the debate and stopped posting because you were proven wrong and couldn't respond.
Concession accepted on your end although I can understand the butthurt. and everyone else will never post scans in a million years because they don't exist, which is the reason Naruto stomps, but whatevs I'm awaiting the lulzy excuses in the next post as to why they don't have any proof yet. Riiiight, they just purposely didn't give proof because it totally exists and they can easily prove why team 2 wins, they just choose not to. Mhm. Totally believable.
According to the others, that scan can't be used to compare. That's not Sasuke's susano'o, so irrelevant. Any scans of Sasuke's susano'o doing anything? No? Thought so.
Also, even if(we're going by their logic here) we were to accept that into evidence, that's extremely ridiculous to compare 1 BASE cho odama rasengan to 100 sage mode senpodama rasengan in a barrage.
Yeah...oneinferior rasegnan in an inferior mode, being tanked by the susano'o of the greatest Uchiha to ever live in EMS form who has Perfect Susano'o, is valid when we're talking about Sasuke surviving hundreds of those same rasengan simultaneously? Ok...?
Hachibi uses bijuu hachimaki and his team instantly dies, unfortunately, even if he did use Hachimaki then one FRS would completely tear hiim a new *******.
According to the others, that scan can't be used to compare. That's not Sasuke's susano'o, so irrelevant. Any scans of Sasuke's susano'o doing anything? No? Thought so.
It was also never said that Madaras ribcage is more solid than Sasukes or Itachis, he just have higher level of that technique. Besides, do you really believe that Madaras ribcage is tougher than Sasukes Susanoo with full armor on?
Also, even if(we're going by their logic here) we were to accept that into evidence, that's extremely ridiculous to compare 1 BASE cho odama rasengan to 100 sage mode senpodama rasengan in a barrage.
1. Do you think its possible to destroy steel door with sling shot? It doesnt matter if its one or 100 sling shots at once, the resul will still be the same.
2. What gives you the idea that technique is stronger in SM? Look at FRS, its not more powerfull than it was in base mode, Naruto can just throw with it. Just becuase Naruto is now enough skilled to make Chou Oodama Rasengans in base now (becuase he could make them only in SM earlier) doesnt mean that technique is stronger in SM.
Hachibi uses bijuu hachimaki and his team instantly dies
Joki,base naruto and sm naruto are not the same thing,sm naruto dosent have infinite senjutsu chakra,sm needs natural energy,not bijuu ones,so being a perfect jin just means that he can fuse with ma and pa,your argument abt naruto destroying the forest and making 1k clones is invalid,and kurama gave naruto enough if it's chakra to destroy that forest,not just 1%. His senjutsu chakra is enough for 2 rasenshurikens,and a few rasengan variants.
I dont know where you got that naruto has infinite sage mode,he dosent,show me where naruto has made more than 4 clones at once outside his mind,show me where naruto could move and enter sage mode at the same time outside his mind,naruto was in his mind,if the real body entered sage mode,the narutos in his consiousness would enter as well,how is that hard to understand?.
Yo want proof that naruto cant beat killer b and ems sasuke?,how abt a perfect jin beating a sage?,or naruto saying he wouldnt be able to beat sasuke despite his sage mode and sasuke having only ms?,and naruto was a perfect sage by then,entering sage mode instantly dosent mean squat if naruto claimed even with sage mode he wudnt beat sasuke.
You think sm naruto can beat a v2 killer b?,or an ems sasuke?,thats absurd. Hachibi isnt leagues behind the kyubi,he took a full powered tbb from kurama even when he was seriously weakened inside naruto's head,he oneshots naruto with a tbb in v2.
Sasuke with his ems wll easily take on sm naruto,katon>fuuton,so enton which is the manipulation of the highest level katon>rasenshuriken. His susanoo with enton sword and arrows will destroy any clone in it's sight.
It was also never said that Madaras ribcage is more solid than Sasukes or Itachis, he just have higher level of that technique. Besides, do you really believe that Madaras ribcage is tougher than Sasukes Susanoo with full armor on?
Dunno, doesn't really matter what we think sicne we apparently can't apply common sense here or assume.
As cool as that is, Tsunade's punches also blasted through a higher level of Susano'o with ease, and something tells me the rasengan barrage that damaged the strongest bijuu bar juubi won't have trouble.
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As cool as what you posted was....too bad it's far from impressive enough to survive that.
1. Do you think its possible to destroy steel door with sling shot? It doesnt matter if its one or 100 sling shots at once, the resul will still be the same.
Have those slingshots destroyed things far stronger than steel? If so, then yeah, we'd have a non-shitty analogy thar.
2. What gives you the idea that technique is stronger in SM? Look at FRS, its not more powerfull than it was in base mode, Naruto can just throw with it.
Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu. This new chakra enables the user to enter an empowered state called Sage Mode, which can then drastically increase the strength of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu.
That's how, and either way, considering he can throw it and top tier Naruto speedsters couldn't react to it prove that throwing it makes it far superior by itself. That and the fact that it vaporized Pain's body entirely just so that a part of the head remained
Just becuase Naruto is now enough skilled to make Chou Oodama Rasengans in base now (becuase he could make them only in SM earlier) doesnt mean that technique is stronger in SM.
Senpo: Cho Odama Rasengan is senjutsu enhanced version of Cho Odama, it's stronger. Besides, the regular cho odama rasengan was said to be able to "hollow out an entire mountain" in the DBs. Also, even if it's in base, going by that it's more than enough anyway(since people think he can't make SM clones lol)
Unfortunately he can't fly out of a range that a giant toad army can reach, and he can't fly airborn faster than Naruto can beat him to death. Naruto is a genius or at least Kurama is, if Deidara and his team take flight on a bird and go up 5000 meters where he cant see, someone will deduce something is up end of story. Deidara's useless here he can't react to an FRS either way, he'd get ripped apart on the cellular level like the others.
Sasuke should also survive becuase of Susanoo. Kakuzu is screwed, but hes not needful to win this fight.
Unless Bee plans on murdering his entire team, then that's probably not the wisest option, nor is iot the easiest when 3 boss toads are smashing you from all sides. Or when a giant cellular FRS that hurt the 9 tails crashes into you and tears you appart on a cellular level.
Joki,base naruto and sm naruto are not the same thing,sm naruto dosent have infinite senjutsu chakra,sm needs natural energy,not bijuu ones,so being a perfect jin just means that he can fuse with ma and pa,
Oh? So Base Naruto beats SM? SM Naruto apparently doesn't have infinite chakra like Base Naruto does now, so Base Naruto just makes 1000 clones(since SM version can't make any clones) and nukes SM Naruto. Right makes sense.
your argument abt naruto destroying the forest and making 1k clones is invalid,and kurama gave naruto enough if it's chakra to destroy that forest,not just 1%.
False, a tiny portion of Kurama's chakra is enough for 2 rasenshurikens, plenty of rasengan variants, Itachi/Nagato level speed, and hundreds of Cho Odama Rasengan in base effortlessly. This Naruto has all of his chakra.
You really think Sasuke, KB, Kakuzu and Deidara are Kurama level? Kurama one-shots them all
I dont know where you got that naruto has infinite sage mode,he dosent,show me where naruto has made more than 4 clones at once outside his mind
naruto was in his mind,if the real body entered sage mode,the narutos in his consiousness would enter as well,how is that hard to understand?.
Woulkd you read my scans for once? It's getting extremely irritating repeating myself because you're quite obviously ignoring the shit I post because if you acknowledge the scans I post it would be admitting you're wrong.
Also, why would it matter if it's in his mind? Like you ignored before, if it was in his mind he could just completely rape Kurama everything he performed in his mind is possible outside otherwise it defeats the entire purpose(of course you'll ignore as usual)
So even after that everything he did in mind was replicated outside...hmmmmmmmm I wonder
,show me where naruto could move and enter sage mode at the same time outside his mind,
Yo want proof that naruto cant beat killer b and ems sasuke?,how abt a perfect jin beating a sage?,or naruto saying he wouldnt be able to beat sasuke despite his sage mode and sasuke having only ms?,and naruto was a perfect sage by then,entering sage mode instantly dosent mean squat if naruto claimed even with sage mode he wudnt beat sasuke.
What are you trying to say here? None of what you said that wasn't jumbled up crap made any sense, and it definitely wasn't scans proving why your team wins. Was there a link in there? Do I need to be a super genius to decode the secret URL that was hidden within the paragraph?
You think sm naruto can beat a v2 killer b?,or an ems sasuke?,thats absurd.
Oh? So NOW we're accepting mind feats? But only when it benefits you?
When hyping Naruto: "Oh, that's bullshit we can't take into account the shit he did in his mind, it was in his mind durrp"
However, when hyping Bee "Oh he totally tanked stuff in Naruto's mind therefore it's totally valid irl"
Stay consistent? Or maybe post actual proof or something?
False, baseless, BS, incorrect, invalid, wrong, untrue
I still see no proof, and SM Naruto has enhanced senses, they won't touch him, I hope V2 Bee enjoys a cellular rasenshuriken(which mind you, I will NEVER see support to how any of team 2 can hope to survive)
Sasuke with his ems wll easily take on sm naruto,katon>fuuton,so enton which is the manipulation of the highest level katon>rasenshuriken.
1. If Naruto were to make an army of clones, Sasuke can kill them easily before they reach his susanoo.
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2. If Naruto engages Sasuke in CQC, Sasuke can paralyse or knock Naruto back giving him an opening to strike.
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3. If Naruto managed to close the distance and managed to come close to susanoo. Those clones will just melt away.
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4. Sasuke's sharingan allows him to dodge attacks that come at very fast speeds.
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5. If a susanoo arrow hits Naruto, he is a goner. Otherwise it can be used to clear a huge line up of clones.
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6. Sasuke can cover a larger area with enton/amaterasu. Then he can also manipulate those existing flames which will continue to spread and devour everything in their path. Naruto can't hope to avoid them for long. Also Sasuke can easily form a moat of black flames so Naruto won't even be able to reach Sasuke.
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7. After those flames have heated up the atmosphere, lightning will strike the battlefield!!! Obliterating Naruto for good!!!
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8. Also if you are still not sure about the durability of susanoo then here are some scans to prove why susanoo will surely stop Naruto if he miraculously manages to avoid all of Sasuke's attacks and enton defence.
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The above is just a V2 susanoo which is no where near as powerful as this:
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It is foolish to assume that SM Naruto beats EMS Sasuke when the author has made it clear that SM Naruto is only comparable with MS Sasuke. I rest my case.U_U
1. If Naruto were to make an army of clones, Sasuke can kill them easily before they reach his susanoo.
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2. If Naruto engages Sasuke in CQC, Sasuke can paralyse or knock Naruto back giving him an opening to strike.
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3. If Naruto managed to close the distance and managed to come close to susanoo. Those clones will just melt away.
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4. Sasuke's sharingan allows him to dodge attacks that come at very fast speeds.
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5. If a susanoo arrow hits Naruto, he is a goner. Otherwise it can be used to clear a huge line up of clones.
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6. Sasuke can cover a larger area with enton/amaterasu. Then he can also manipulate those existing flames which will continue to spread and devour everything in their path. Naruto can't hope to avoid them for long. Also Sasuke can easily form a moat of black flames so Naruto won't even be able to reach Sasuke.
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7. After those flames have heated up the atmosphere, lightning will strike the battlefield!!! Obliterating Naruto for good!!!
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8. Also if you are still not sure about the durability of susanoo then here are some scans to prove why susanoo will surely stop Naruto if he miraculously manages to avoid all of Sasuke's attacks and enton defence.
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The above is just a V2 susanoo which is no where near as powerful as this:
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It is foolish to assume that SM Naruto beats EMS Sasuke when the author has made it clear that SM Naruto is only comparable with MS Sasuke. I rest my case.U_U
yea,this pretty much ends the debate,not to mention naruto has only made like 3 sm clones before and after gaining kurama. He fact that he keeps comparing sm feats to naruto feats when given kurama's chakra is absurd. This isnt dbz,each form has it's advantages over another.
yea,this pretty much ends the debate,not to mention naruto has only made like 3 sm clones before and after gaining kurama. He fact that he keeps comparing sm feats to naruto feats when given kurama's chakra is absurd. This isnt dbz,each form has it's advantages over another.
Says the guy who lost his debate and stopped responding because he couldn't counter. Only to rely on others to save him and debate for his side more so.
I don't plan on replying to you again who cant back up his points or post scans to support his baseless BS.
OMG Joki this is SM Naruto you idiot, not KM Naruto. SM Naruto does NOT use kyuubi chakra, he uses nature energy. Otherwise I would have put KM Naruto on the title. Kurama has NOTHING to do with this.
He IS limited to 2 FRS if he only uses SM - He can only spam when he uses kyuubi chakra. Your scans just proved what I said. He can use 2 FRS then has to recharge SM.
Show me any panel of Naruto making 1000 SM clones, you still use this BS but you can't prove it, because it has never happened. Not only you say this, you also say that Naruto can repeat this many times in one battle. YOU are the one who is talking BS not us.
Show me a scan of any rasengan variant penetrating any form of susanoo, you can't do that either. You say FRS can penetrate susanoo and I say it can't. That's your word against mine except the only evidence we have is Rasengan bouncing of Madara's rib cage.
When ever you say something stupid you claim you are using "logic" BUT whenever someone else says something that actually uses logic eg "Katon / Ametarasu > FRS (fuuton) you claim it is baseless BS without any manga evidence.............
Instant or one second means Kishi one pannels it - something like activation of Sharingan. Read the manga of first scan - he was sitting down like that and talking to Hachibi for a long time NOT instant.
4th Scan again he is sitting down and charging SM for a while, battle happens inside head. Clones enter SM while moving which is impossible.
That clone isn't even in sage mode in the 3rd scan.
2nd scan is the only one that even comes close to what you are trying to prove.
If Naruto can charge it instantly what happened here?
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You are trying to change a manga fact - Fukusaku said that it takes time to charge SM and the user must sit completely still on the battle field which is a major weakness and fukusaku is an expert in SM unlike you. It's like me saying that Ametarasu requires no prep time and post the scan of Sasuke killing zetzu.
OMG Joki this is SM Naruto you idiot, not KM Naruto. SM Naruto does NOT use kyuubi chakra, he uses nature energy. Otherwise I would have put KM Naruto on the title. Kurama has NOTHING to do with this.
He IS limited to 2 FRS if he only uses SM - He can only spam when he uses kyuubi chakra. Your scans just proved what I said. He can use 2 FRS then has to recharge SM.
Show me any panel of Naruto making 1000 SM clones, you still use this BS but you can't prove it, because it has never happened. Not only you say this, you also say that Naruto can repeat this many times in one battle. YOU are the one who is talking BS not us.
Show me a scan of any rasengan variant penetrating any form of susanoo, you can't do that either. You say FRS can penetrate susanoo and I say it can't. That's your word against mine except the only evidence we have is Rasengan bouncing of Madara's rib cage.
When ever you say something stupid you claim you are using "logic" BUT whenever someone else says something that actually uses logic eg "Katon / Ametarasu > FRS (fuuton) you claim it is baseless BS without any manga evidence.............
Instant or one second means Kishi one pannels it - something like activation of Sharingan. Read the manga of first scan - he was sitting down like that and talking to Hachibi for a long time NOT instant.
4th Scan again he is sitting down and charging SM for a while, battle happens inside head. Clones enter SM while moving which is impossible.
That clone isn't even in sage mode in the 3rd scan.
2nd scan is the only one that even comes close to what you are trying to prove.
If Naruto can charge it instantly what happened here?
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You are trying to change a manga fact - Fukusaku said that it takes time to charge SM and the user must sit completely still on the battle field which is a major weakness and fukusaku is an expert in SM unlike you. It's like me saying that Ametarasu requires no prep time and post the scan of Sasuke killing zetzu.
Kurama has everything to do with it. I don't give a shit about SM energy, that's not the point. So Base Naruto casually shits on SM Naruto now according to you? LOL
still no scans showing any possible way for team 2 to stand a chance, thanks for not supporting your argument yet again man
Oh, and note how in the scan you posted Naruto's getting thrown around and casually enters SM lol. Thanks for not only not posting any proof for your side whatsoever(since you can't because you know damn well Naruto stomps) but you ALSO even supported my argument. Yeah, I don't think that's how debating works, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, "Rasengan was never shown breaking Susano'o on panel therefore it can't." I'm done with you
Kurama has everything to do with it. I don't give a shit about SM energy, that's not the point. So Base Naruto casually shits on SM Naruto now according to you? LOL
still no scans showing any possible way for team 2 to stand a chance, thanks for not supporting your argument yet again man
Oh, and note how in the scan you posted Naruto's getting thrown around and casually enters SM lol. Thanks for not only not posting any proof for your side whatsoever(since you can't because you know damn well Naruto stomps) but you ALSO even supported my argument. Yeah, I don't think that's how debating works, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, "Rasengan was never shown breaking Susano'o on panel therefore it can't." I'm done with you
Base Naruto = only uses his own chakra SM Naruto = uses his chakra combined with nature energy - senjutsu chakra
KM Naruto - uses limited amount of kyuubi chakra - can make clones of other modes.
Bm Naruto - uses full kyuubi chakra
Then there is different tailed versions of Naruto used in vs threads.
1 tail
4 tail
6 tail
Again Kurama has NOTHING to do with this fight. This is similar to making a thread about 3T Itachi vs Someone and taking feats from MS Itachi. And SM Naruto >>>>> Base Naruto thats the whole reason why he had to learn SM to "get stronger" and face pain - Base Naruto would have gotten wtf uber stomped. I can't believe you think base Naruto is stronger than SM Naruto.
In my scan he sitting on his ass while charging SM, you are blind as hell.
You know full well Naruto can't stomp, you are making up BS on the spot about how Naruto can make 1000 SM clones and kill the whole other team with rasengans. Then showing manga scans of Naruto using 1 FRS at a time LOL.
What is the point of posting evidence when a match is a complete stomp and there is a retard arguing that one character wins even though he has 0 chance. So I should go ahead and:
-Make thread
-Kakashi > Madara Kamui GG
-Post scan of Kamui
-Argue with everyone else how I am right and everyone else is wrong.
-Ask for scans how Madara will escape when Kamui insta warps him lololol
Not much different from what you do in this thread really
-SM Naruto > Sasuke Bee Kakuzu Deidara LOW DIFFICULTY
-Post scans of SM Naruto
-Argue with everyone how you are right and how everyone else is wrong
-Ask for scans of how other team wins when SM Naruto can make 1000 SM clones and throw 100 FRS and then do it again straight after lololol
:flaw:
"FRS WILL breach complete enton covered susanoo even though the two jutsu have never met and when fire > wind because I said so" - Joki
Thank god you would do everyone a big favour if you stop posting, no one likes extreme fanboys.
gyuki diverts away narutos bijudama with one of his own covered in enton and supported by susano arrow and kakuzus fuuton. deidara possesses a village buster and a explosive tech that blows people up at the cellular level. kakuzu has to die 5 times and theres only so many times naurto can use bijuudama and FRS.
That was before Naruto mastered Kurama. Now Naruto has limitless chakra
in biju form. which isnt alllowed. SM runs out after two FRS.
Plus if Sasuke even attempts to use Ammy when Naruto's usuing Kawazu Kumite he gets blasted in the face with a punch from mother nature, as Amaterasu spreads onto himself.
Naruto can dodge easily, and what will Susano'o do to 1000 clones? Nothing, it will just kill a bunch of fodder while Susano'o gets nuked with a FRS Barrage
ok do NOT compare kabutos perfected SM which was augmenting his already powerful orochimaru body to narutos SM which is a boost to his piss poor base form.
If it weren't for Izanami(a.k.a. Kabuto being ignorant), SM Kabuto would've defeated EMS Sasuke and Edo(healthy)Itachi. If SM Kabuto can do that, SM Naruto could do about the same
he wouldnt want it since he has his liquid body form
Naruto only uses shadow clones and variations of Rasengans, yet he's one of the strongest in the show. Tsunade only has super strength and medical ninjutsu, yet she's unkillable unless fatigued.
when has naruto needed to stay in it forever? he settled kurama quickly. he settled third raikage quickly. in a drawn out battle he needs pre prepped clones like with pain
Oh really? When have they come anywhere near matching FRS's power?
all yagata needs to do is divert FRS or make it blow up before it hits them. FRS did not take out third raikage or deva pain after all. bee tentacles can intercept it while kakuzu fuuton blows it back. it is a shuriken after all.
And yeah...Sasuke's not "predicting" SM movements,
dama rasengan in a barrage.
