SM Naruto vs DSM kabuto
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Depends on which SM Naruto we're talking about. Is this the one coming back from near death who pushed JJ Madara back with Yoton FRS, or is it War arc SM Naruto. The first Naruto stomps hard. But War arc SM Naruto loses mid diff to DSM Kabuto.
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I don't think so. Naruto can counter majority of his techniques bar Hakugeki. But same with Kabuto who can't evade that giant Rasenshuriken.
It's balanced to me. Naruto is a good matchup and his summonings are more than just a bag of meat trying to use pure force in fights.
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Lay out some of those counters that Naruto has. I'm curious.
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War arc SM Naruto shits...
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Well, the thing Naruto has upperhand in is the fact that Naruto's toads can use jutsu themselves. F.e. Ma and Pa. Disregarding the controversy holding Naruto whether he can summon them, they play a big factor and are the primary reason to Kabuto's downfall.
Firstly, the sound 5 abilities hold no merit to Kabuto in this fight; bones get sliced by Rasenshuriken, Mateki: Mugen Onsa is repelled by Fukasaku's Fūton or simply countered by Kurama, webs are destroyed by Katon Rasenshuriken and Senpo: Goemon counters Muki Tensei by giving off heat. Since this is the latest version of regular HM Naruto, I assume he can create that big Rasenshuriken, which when expands slices half Manda II.
Hakugeki is a tough one, but either Fukasaku and Shima can sense Kabuto and stop him with their hard tongues and stop him from moving. And Kabuto gets finished off by a large Katon Rasenshuriken which will either evaporate him once liquid or obliterate him when solid. Depending on the location though, Kabuto may win due to this. But if they are fighting outdoor, Kabuto may very well lose.
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Kabuto low diff.
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lol kabuto slaughters with Edo Madara
Kabuto can nearly evade all of SM Naruto's projectiles
frog kata is useless against DSM
frog song may be a threat , but his edos or himself will take care of it by killing the frogs during the preparation
Kabuto can nearly evade all of SM Naruto's projectiles
frog kata is useless against DSM
frog song may be a threat , but his edos or himself will take care of it by killing the frogs during the preparation
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They are insignificant in this fight, nor is their reason to believe he can summon them without the ritual.
You are taking it out of proportion. Kabuto isn't an idiot. Goemon doesn't counter, nothing suggests its heat is comparable to Amateratsu, so we have no reason to believe it can do so. Not to mention, Kabuto can use his Doton from Jirobo to put it underground and then cover it with more Doton. Manda 2? The one that was as long as Turtle island, is being sliced in half by COFRS? Surely not. There sin't even any spectacular feats supporting COFRS, as there's 0 to scale its explosion from.
Don't see how, they have no intel on it. Kabuto isn't being stopped by tongues either, he has SM strength and the ability to use Kimimaro's bones, tongues are merely jokes in this. Chakra scalpel cuts the tongue like butter, or the snakes themselves simply catch the tongues like they caught Sasuke's Kusanagi sword from point blank, thus poisoning both Ma and Pa. Not even mentioning Oral Rebirth here, it's be a waste. Katon Rasenshruiken is laughed at, Susano arrow was dodged with utmost ease, Kabuto side steps FRS, or uses Kimimaro's DNA to pop out of any one of the bones within the bone forest. Kabuto won't lose outdoor, and he will stomp indoors. Frog Genjutsu is countered with Hiding like a mole, Chakra scalpel and superior speed allows Kabuto to defeat Naruto, not to mention his chakra scalpel is superior to anything Naruto has in CQC. Kabuto's snakes will help massively in CQC, far more then Ma and Pa, as they can increase in size from a single hand seal and are fast enough to dodge Sasuke's Susano arrow.
Snakes telepathically communicate with Kabuto and vice versa, they can poison with a single bite and are all Senjutsu enhanced. This isn't even factoring in Manda 2's massive threat, Oro'ss white snake powers which have canonically allowed him to reform after being cut in half (ass that to Kabuto's Yin healing, Karin's Uzumaki healing, and Oral Rebirth) along with the White Snake's ability to release gaseous poison when his body fluids are exposed to the air. All of which, Naruto has no intel on. It's GG Naruto, Kabuto is nigh impossible to fight against with no intel, how can you say he is underrated? Faster, smarter, as strong if not stronger power wise, better summons, better utility abilities, better reaction feats, more versatility, etc. than Naruto. How does he stand a chance?
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I said this:
''Disregarding the controversy holding Naruto whether he can summon them, they play a big factor and are the primary reason to Kabuto's downfall.''
If we took the matter scientifically, Amaterasu is form of normal flames which can burn anything; nothing more nor less. Senpo: Goemon in the Databook, was stated to be not several hundred degrees hot, but several thousand. Several implies, the number is at least more than two but less than 10. How hot are regular flames? About a thousand at it's very best. And the tactic with Jirobo's Doton would have been very good if the quantity wasn't more than last time, which pretty much covered the entire large room and I don't think Jirobo can open up ground.
COFRS is roughly the size of Aoda. Manda II is probably twice that size, and when COFRS expands it's at least big enough to cut Manda II in half. Look how much it expanded here
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. Even if it doesn't, the explosion takes out Manda II seeing how one regular explosion was the size of half Kurama. Let's not overrate Manda's size here.No, he doesn't; this is a major mistake most of the base uses. Kabuto can't use the abilities of others on his own body, at least Sound 5. The mediums, always take care of the job. He can't bring out bones. He can't harden his body. He can't even play the flute on his own. He always needs the medium. So no, the bones wouldn't counter the tongues.
Snakes? No, they won't. Both frogs are enhanced with Senjutsu, and enough strength to rip off all snakes in two. And no again, a tongue that ripped of steel with ease, enhanced with Senjutsu isn't getting cut like that. Shima's tongue may be cut, but it's extremely fast so that's debatable. And again, no once he side steps it expands and cuts him apart and Kabuto never dodged Susano'O arrow, he only evaded it with his snake due it's body structure. Kabuto can't evade an arrow, as seen how Sasuke hit him afterwards. Also, any bones get sliced up by Rasenshuriken... so nope, again.
Superior speed? Since when? Nope. Itachi battled him with ease in CQC, he never overpowered both Sasuke or Naruto with his Taijutsu speed, he only did surprise attacks via techniques ike Oral Rebirth. Naruto will evade him fine, and Kawazu Kumite knocks him out while another clone obliterates him with Katon Rasenshuriken. CQC is always a bad choice when facing HM Naruto, as demonstrated multiple times in the manga.
You think snakes are getting past Naruto's skin in HM? Nope. The worst thing is, Naruto will have constant HM to back himself up and he won't worry about some poison. The snakes teeth get snapped right away they try to bite his hard skin, that obliterated spiked rocks. And no, Orochimaru's healing won't matter because one Rasenshuriken destroys him when it hits. Worse would be a Katon variant that evaporates him depending which card he takes. Saying HM Naruto doesn't stand a chance isn't really true, as we've seen Kabuto's abilities; which, yes, Naruto has mostly intel on since he's faced almost all the ninja Kabuto stole the goods from. What makes Kabuto special? Would you say Kabuto beats everyone since he has Senpo techniques and nerfed Sound 5? No. He's overrated.
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Well that's if you took the matter scientifically, but I have no intention of turning our every debate into a scientific one, Lol. Amateratsu is a form of flame which is hotter than the normal flame, as it was capable of burning through normal flame along with burning Juubito' body from barely any contact [
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] and having the Juubi scream like a bish after it ate through the FRS [
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]. Hachibi was on the verge of crying when hit by Amateratsu, Katon flames from Itachi's shuriken's only made him say "hot." There's a rather clear distinction between normal Katon heat and Enton's heat. I have 0 reason to believe Goemon can revert the Muki Tensei. Kabuto's Doton has shown to create a more than large enough space to contain Goemon [
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]. Whenever you mention COFRS, scans become necessary. Show me the COFRS explosion. And Manda 2 is in the high double digit zone, not twice as large. Summons are as large as Hachibi who was sitting in Turtle Island like a duck, Manda 2 was about the length of the entire turtle island, and a decent width as well. Don't forget that Manda can also go underground and come out wherever he wishes, add this with his sensing abilities and Kabuto's telepathic communication and you have a monstrous beast popping out whenever he chooses randomly. I can't tell if that scan was a joke though, what's that implying? Sasuke was an ant on Aoda [
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]. Now look at Manda 2 on turtle island [
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] and look at Kabuto non-viewable within Manda's nose [
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]. Yes, and another couldn't take out the Raikage, meaning the subconscious Kurama isn't like he would be in reality (further hinted by Bee stopping TBB with his mouth). You're the one underrating, C0 was survived for a few seconds by a non modified manda, this Manda is in his own league.Based on what exactly? I used to be like you, but then I realised there's nothing to support my claim. If he can use DNA's naturally like Suigetsu's, Jugo's and Karin's, then he should be able to use the other DNA's naturally whenever he chooses to activate them. It's more versatile when he does it through the manifestation either way, as he can fight normally while doing it. Either way, disprove it and I'll concede.
I only said chakra scalpel cuts it or demolishes it, and that's a fact. Snakes can bit through due to Senjutsu and poison the tongue wielder, Kimi's bones block any attack since they blocked Chakra enhanced swords from Samurai. You are seemingly overrating steel in NV, because normal needles have shown to pierce through steel in NV [
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]. Hm, I have no reason to believe it's fast enough to stop any snakes from attacking it or Kabuto. Don't know why I should believe that, its speed feats are lacking. What? Re-read the chapter man, he did it [
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] and also healed from it once. Stop overrating FRS dude. I said he side steps figuratively, as in he dodges it with utmost ease. He can easily shunshin away if he wants to, if Ashura, Naraka and Deva could all dodge it. He's as fast as Itachi but also has sensing to benefit him, I see no reason why he can't dodge it with ease.What? Itachi was cut in half once and Itachi was on par in the rest of the times, with the exception of once, where he cut of his horns due to the crows. He was never capable of actually blitzing Kabuto head on, they both caught each other off guard so they are about equals in that manner. Show me these amazing speed feats of Naruoto's, I'm dying to see them. Inb4 AsuraSmash which is barely a speed feat comparable to one who can keep up with KCM Naruto and blitz Bee twice. This is SM Naruto son, not KCM.. Kawazu Kumite isn't touching Kabuto when they can both sense Nature Energy, since they are both Sage's. That means they both have the body part extensions, Naruto simply has the deceptive part of it, making it frog Kumite. Though what's the use of a deceptive part when you're up against someone who anticipates every move due to being a Sage as well, not to mention his extraordinarily superior speed. Once again, no, Susano arrow was dodged with ease, Kabuto easily runs out of FRS blast radius. And how will Naruto evade him fine if he uses the same thing he did on Itachi, who is a Sharingan user and has reaction speeds above SM Naruto's? It's a worse choice when facing DSM Kabuto imo, he's superior in every way. And please stop ignoring Chakra scalpel, it will rape Naruto. It can either cut him in half like it cut Itachi or it can attack him internally, similarly to how he attacked Tsunade before, meaning Naruto gets raped since durability cannot counter internal attacks.
Yes, I see no reason to claim otherwise, since they are also Senjutsu wielders lie Jugo who can grow by a single hand seal [
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], so it's either smash the snake and die from poison or leave the snake alive and get blitzed by Kabuto. I don't see how large spikes that weren't even sharp are supposed to be comparable to a snake's teeth that are far more concentrated in a single spot (and are utilising SM). You cannot deny they are Senjutsu users either, they share the same chakra as Kabuto, they gained all of team Taka's abilities ie Karin's healing, liquefaction, and then Jugo's ability to naturally take in Nature Energy. Couple this with the fact that they directly come from Kabuto's body and you have yourself the answer. I don't see why they can't bite through Naruto's SM body, maybe if they were normal snakes I'd agree, but given that Kabuto can increase their size, and the fact they have Jugo's ability points all the more towards them being capable of doing it. Katon RS isn't doing shit, dodged with ease. What what what? Has intel on whom exactly? Tayuya? Nope. Jirobo? Nope. Kimimaro? Slightly, doesn't know of bone forest doe. Kidomaru? Slightly, doesn't know of Spider summons and his chakra repulsion. Ukon and Sakon? Not really, doesn't know about the ability to create several arms, all of which can use chakra scalpel. Orochimaru's abilities? Not really, nothing of his true form. So Naruto stands no chance.
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How in the hell could Kabuto win this?
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Haha, no:
1. Obito's body was not affected due to Amaterasu being Ninjutsu and Obito's body as a Jinchuuriki is barely durable.
2. Juubi was screaming because Amaterasu burned through it since it burns through anything, doesn't mean it's any more hotter.
3. Hachibi.. same as above.
4. No, Jiraiya's oil was this size
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, Kichi's is this size
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. When Bunta doubles it, you have a Goemon multiple times the size of a Bijuu. Doton of that size is not containing it.COFRS dwarfed Kichi
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, who is the same size as Aoda who ''made Sasuke look like an ant''. One bomb like this when expanded, would cut Manda II in half. Why? COFRS = Hachibi. Hachibi is = Manda II when looking at width. Because the spike Manda II bit, was no bigger than Hachibi
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. And since FRS expands about 5 times the original, COFRS when expanded cuts him clean and when it explodes it dwarfs him whole.On the fact that Kabuto requires always a medium when using Sound 5 abilities? Moot point. Karin, Jugo and Suigetsu are different as their ability requires the use of main body and a medium can't do it. What would he do with Suigetsu on his belly? Common sense man.
No, this is ridiculous now. Are you telling me Jugo's Senjutsu > HM by Naruto? Because that essentially, is your point. The snakes don't have HM, they only have Senjutsu. But that's different, because Kichi also has Senjutsu but he has no HM, and needs to balance it like Naruto does. So snakes that have less Senjutsu < Naruto's HM. The principle, is something your forgot here.
Kimimaro's bones get destroyed if Naruto punches them, just like the chakra rods that stalemated with Susano'o arrows
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.Yeah, except the fact again, that he has no intel on FRS's expansion which he won't realize until it's too late and he's chopped in half. Once he dodges it, the FRS expands. If he dodges even that, Naruto's clone knocks him out with Kawazu Kumite.
Except that he was never faster than Itachi. The only reason he managed to slice Itachi in half, was because he used Oral Rebirth on Orochimaru's true form which was lying right beneath Itachi's feet
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.Again, this utterly irrelevant and also bad logic. Using an example, V1 E > MS Sasuke in Shunshin, but MS Sasuke > V1 E in CQC. KM Naruto > HM Naruto in Shunshin, but HM Naruto > KM Naruto in CQC; as stated in the manga. Shunshin is completely, irrelevant in CQC. What decide the CQC fight are the reflexes, sensing and evading skills. You're asking me Shunshin feats, when I'm talking about CQC. HM Kabuto =< HM Naruto >= MS Itachi in CQC, because he has technique upperhand, but MS Itachi > HM Kabuto >= HM Naruto in Shunshin. Your logic, is not the way it works here.
No, if the chakra scalpel didn't even land a hit on MS Itachi, he's never touching Naruto. Not that it even matters, because both won't touch each other but Kawazu Kumite knocks him out. Even if Kabuto can sense it, it doesn't mean he has the speed to react to both Naruto's hand and Kawazu Kumite, just like Lee demonstrated.
The way Kabuto attacked Itachi was with Oral Rebirth, Naruto will sense him incoming, dodge and again knock him out with Kawazu Kumite.
Just because they can use Senjutsu, doesn't mean they're superior to Naruto now. The two things that decide who is better HM user is dependent on; reserves and skill. Naruto is perfect and is far above to these snakes in both. And no, chakra rod that was = Susano'O arrow > snakes teeth, so if those didn't cut it same with the teeth.
Tayuya's attack is sensed by Ma and Pa, and it's countered by Kurama anyway so moot point. Kidomaru's blood is required to summon spiders, he has all basic ability intel on him. Naruto knows of Kimimaro's base bone abilities, if Itachi and Sasuke found a way to counter Kidomaru's webs and bones, so will Naruto and his clones. Jirobo's abilities are non factor. Also, Sakon's ability is only to make the medium, so his ability is not even a factor.
Orochimaru's true form is doing nothing, Naruto will sense Kabuto incoming, dodge his scalpel and knock him out with Kawazu Kumite.
