SM Naruto vs Base Minato

[Lariatoo]

As we all know, Fukasaku have said that Naruto had surprassed his father when he learned Sage Mode, But did he really?

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Location: Mount Myoboku
Distance: 40 meters
IC
Intel: Full
Conditions: Naruto have acess to Gamaken, war arc Gamakichi and Fukasaku.
Minato have acess to Gamabunta, Gamahiro and Shima


Scenario 1: Pain arc SM Naruto (Three clones on standby)

Scenario 2: War arc SM Naruto

Restrictions: Naruto can't go Kyuubi mode. No Kurama for Minato.

 

[Ken Masters]

minardo wins both

 

[Gold Lightning]

Surpassed his father in senjutsu, not overall. It was pretty clear after seeing the minato vs masked man flash back, that pain arc Naruto was no where near minato.

 

[Great Master Minato]

As Gold Lightning Said In That Scene Fukasaku Meant Naruto Surpassed Both Jiraiya & Minato In Term Of SM Not Overall...
Minato Wins Both Scenarios...SM Naruto Can't Keep Up With Him...

 

[Bronze]

Minato blitzes.

 

[ARGUS]

Minato wins both scenarios

--blind Madara had the speed to pressure SM Naruto, and with minato having the shunshin and reflexes faster than naruto, as well as the fact that he has FTG, means that he engages naruto in CQC and marks him with ease, as once that happens, naruto is done for

--having the firepower of FRS is meaningless when Minato can spread out his markings and use the S/T barrier to slam it right back at naruto, and naruto attempting to come close to minato to use rasengans is just suicide when he is bound to get tagged, marked and then killed

--having the clones isnt helping naruto either, not when minato can match them with his own , and comfortably evade all of their attacks

--summons for naruto are also not doing shit, not when minato can match them with his own, and when they are not landing a single hit on him, not to mention that minato can simply use the contract seal to take away naruto control over them

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato wins both scenarios

--blind Madara had the speed to pressure SM Naruto, and with minato having the shunshin and reflexes faster than naruto, as well as the fact that he has FTG, means that he engages naruto in CQC and marks him with ease, as once that happens, naruto is done for

--having the firepower of FRS is meaningless when Minato can spread out his markings and use the S/T barrier to slam it right back at naruto, and naruto attempting to come close to minato to use rasengans is just suicide when he is bound to get tagged, marked and then killed

--having the clones isnt helping naruto either, not when minato can match them with his own , and comfortably evade all of their attacks

--summons for naruto are also not doing shit, not when minato can match them with his own, and when they are not landing a single hit on him, not to mention that minato can simply use the contract seal to take away naruto control over them

I'd like to know, are you one of the believers or unbelievers of people who think sage mode Naruto is capable of more than two clones?

I'm curious as to how many people think he can use the multiple shadow clone jutsu in this form. I don't, but that's just me.

 

[ARGUS]

I'd like to know, are you one of the believers or unbelievers of people who think sage mode Naruto is capable of more than two clones?
I'm curious as to how many people think he can use the multiple shadow clone jutsu in this form. I don't, but that's just me.

Pein arc SM Naruto stated thhat he can only form 3 clones since

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if he doesnt have any clones at Mt. Myoboku, then he can most certainly form more clones
and War Arc SM naruto should definitely be able to form moree than 3 clones,

and if you mean multi shadow clones as in over 100 clones, than i doubt naruto can form that many SM clones,
but nothing stops either of the narutos to form some more Base Clones,

 

[Gold Lightning]

Pein arc SM Naruto stated thhat he can only form 3 clones since

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if he doesnt have any clones at Mt. Myoboku, then he can most certainly form more clones
and War Arc SM naruto should definitely be able to form moree than 3 clones,

and if you mean multi shadow clones as in over 100 clones, than i doubt naruto can form that many SM clones,
but nothing stops either of the narutos to form some more Base Clones,

Three is what I meant, not 2 sorry.

Thing is, he's never made more than 2-5 clones while fighting in sage mode. Only against kurama in his mind, which I don't take too seriously since he was even able to fly and stuff. And his real body was gathering nature energy while inside his mind he and his clones were all moving yet entering sage mode.

I'd think making too many clones, let's say 10 would mess up the balancing of his chakra and nature energy if he divides himself around at many times.

 

[ARGUS]

^^yep, like i said, anything more than 10 is just ridiculous,

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd think making too many clones, let's say 10 would mess up the balancing of his chakra and nature energy if he divides himself around at many times.

Why would it mess up the balancing of his chakra? Senjutsu Chakra is made by taking in an amount of Nature Energy so that Spirit, Body and Nature Energy are all equal, which merges together and makes Senjutsu Chakra. Clones evenly divide chakra, so it'd take that Senjutsu Chakra and evenly divide it. No balance would be messed up. The only draw back would be, his clones have less Senjutsu Chakra.

 

[Beans2]

Why would it mess up the balancing of his chakra? Senjutsu Chakra is made by taking in an amount of Nature Energy so that Spirit, Body and Nature Energy are all equal, which merges together and makes Senjutsu Chakra. Clones evenly divide chakra, so it'd take that Senjutsu Chakra and evenly divide it. No balance would be messed up. The only draw back would be, his clones have less Senjutsu Chakra.

It would mess up the balancing of chakra because it was stated to in canon.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Assuming Naruto is completely cut off from the Kyuubi (Including him being given chakra without entering new forms) Then Naruto wins both scenarios. The first one being a hard fight while the second is at Moderate difficulty.

*Edit: Making Bunshin won't disturb Naruto's Chakra. It would confuse and Bunshin gathering Nature Energy, but that has nothing to do with disturbing his chakra​

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[KidGamer65]

It would mess up the balancing of chakra because it was stated to in canon.

No, it was stated that it messes up his clones gathering Senjutsu Chakra, not that the balancing of his energies is messed up. Complete difference. The drawback is no different than it normally is with Shadow Clones. Just less chakra for each clone the more he makes.

 

[KCN]

Naruto gets crapped on. His reflexes are great and all but FTG is just too much. Tobirama was faster than Madara [

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] yet Madara blitzed SM Naruto. Minato, possessing Tobirama's exact jutsu + boasting a quicker Shunshin would make his job that much easier. None of Naruto's attacks are quick enough, especially not RS whom even Deva dodged effortlessly. Minato also has full knowledge on SM so Naruto has no surprises. He loses both.

 

[Beans2]

No, it was stated that it messes up his clones gathering Senjutsu Chakra, not that the balancing of his energies is messed up. Complete difference. The drawback is no different than it normally is with Shadow Clones. Just less chakra for each clone the more he makes.

Lol, my bad I thought you were referring to his clones.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto wins both scene's.

Scene 1 sound genjutsu. Minato is not evading sound that just sounds ridiculous. Try to get out of it's aoe isn't happening since as long as you can hear it you can be caught by it.

Scene 2 Minato gets out-classed Naruto disguises clones as rocks which would easily confuse Minato plus theres the sound genjutsu argument again. ​

 

[KCN]

Naruto wins both scene's.

Scene 1 sound genjutsu. Minato is not evading sound that just sounds ridiculous. Try to get out of it's aoe isn't happening since as long as you can hear it you can be caught by it.

Scene 2 Minato gets out-classed Naruto disguises clones as rocks which would easily confuse Minato plus theres the sound genjutsu argument again. ​

Read the thread again. Naruto and Minato both have 1 toad sage each, so no frog song's happening over here.