Sm naruto takes 4th raikage high diff! (im turnt up) manga supported

[Bieber]

And that was half kurama that naruto fought -.-
KCM is yang enhancement mode if speed and strength got increased why would defense be left out? Makes no sense.

Kurama didn't have chakra chains on him at that time during the fight.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

The fact that naruto didnt comment on pain is weak argument. Both minato and kushina were able to stop kurama from killing naruto which shows that a simple paw attack isnt that powerful and neither of them had SM. Juugo had a hole in his chest and wasnt *****ing about pain either. KCM naruto besides tanking all this attacks was also able to stop 4-tail from eating it alive. Jaws tends to have more pressure then simple fist. An overlooked feat of how KCM enhances naruto's body.

Kabuto named Cursed mark pretentious trick, but in no way he belittled it. Its a hack or shortcut to SM power. I find juugo quite strong but sure he isnt main hero so...

This, doesn't make much sense. Why would Naruto suddenly react to pain more when fighting the jinchuriki even though it meant nothing to him when fighting Kurama? That's a very dramatic change in personality for a couple of days.


Kabuto clearly didn't mind using Jugo's enzymes to get unfair advantages in sage mode, I don't think he minds shortcuts.

 

[AlphaScythian]

This, doesn't make much sense. Why would Naruto suddenly react to pain more when fighting the jinchuriki even though it meant nothing to him when fighting Kurama? That's a very dramatic change in personality for a couple of days.

Hey dont question me on kishi's consistency. Maybe it has to do with concentration. For SM one has to be concentrated and more focused then KCM.

Kabuto clearly didn't mind using Jugo's enzymes to get unfair advantages in sage mode, I don't think he minds shortcuts.

Clearly no1 would sit around gathering nature energy if u can skip that. However kabuto has greater mastery due to guidance he received while juubo was on his own. In the end of the day juugo has weaker base then kabuto thus unable to rival his SM.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Kurama didn't have chakra chains on him at that time during the fight.

Yes i forgot about chains.
Regardless this is far greater feat SM has yet to display. As i said jaws generate more pressure then paws.

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[Cosman]

I swear Naruto debates are sizzling every single time.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Hey dont question me on kishi's consistency. Maybe it has to do with concentration. For SM one has to be concentrated and more focused then KCM.

Clearly no1 would sit around gathering nature energy if u can skip that. However kabuto has greater mastery due to guidance he received while juubo was on his own. In the end of the day juugo has weaker base then kabuto thus unable to rival his SM.

How can you be sure it's Kishimoto's inconsistency, or you misinterpreting the information?

 

[AlphaScythian]

How can you be sure it's Kishimoto's inconsistency, or you misinterpreting the information?

Look ur playing on the sole fact that naruto didnt scream in pain here. Be serious about it.
Its a weak weak argument, naruto's face says that he's about to shit bricks thou. U like this counter argument?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Look ur playing on the sole fact that naruto didnt scream in pain here. Be serious about it.
Its a weak weak argument, naruto's face says that he's about to shit bricks thou. U like this counter argument?

Yes, he didn't look like he was injured by Kurama in SM nearly as much as he did in KCM when hit by edo jinchuriki.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yes, he didn't look like he was injured by Kurama in SM nearly as much as he did in KCM when hit by edo jinchuriki.

He didnt look injured in neither case.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He didnt look injured in neither case.

Whatever, I'm done with this part of this debate. I'm in the middle of writing fanfiction anyway. It's about the chapters to come. Naruto and Sasuke Vs Juubi. And Hashirama vs Madara so far.

 

[Dazuza360]

And one more note is that Rasengan and Chidori always cancel out, but the difference is Chidori is a piercing technique and Rasengan isn't. There is no guarantee that a Rasengan can break Ei's armor.

True, but the destructive power of a rasengan is higher (this is even more true for an nature-enhanced variant) than the chidori, so one can assume that it would still break through his lightning armour.

Not sure if you could say that nature element weakness could play into this or not but either way, i think i would still destroy his armour with a direct hit.

 

[Sage OfThe 6 Paths]

SM NARUTO wins this with extreme diff

 

[Voidstep]

what some people don't even realize is that the 3rd is a much harder opponent for SM Naruto than the 4rd.

3rd amazing defense is not all based on raiton armor. it's his actual super durable body + the raiton armor.
3rd attack is far more dangerous to SM Naruto than the 4rd, since is a very high piercing attack, while the 4rd is based on raw power impact.
what the 4rd got better than his father is speed. in V2 he is faster than him. in V1 they must be around same speed (speculating). in everything else his father is better/stronger.... much stronger defense, much more dangerous attack.

but like Naruto defeated the 3rd and the 4rd is faster, guess some people assume he'll be harder.
Naruto would have more trouble inflicting damage to the 3rd, and would receive far more damage from the 3rd than the 4rd.
with the durability SM grants he most likely can block and tank the 4rd damage, while the 3rd would most likely actually pierce him. so it wouldn't be of his interest to take damage at all, even blocking xD


I agree that, his SM sensing abilities would give him a good advantage in this battle, and I actually think it would be of Naruto interest to let himself get hit (blocking) instead of dodging, since the 4rd is faster than him, cause by getting hit, it would give him the momentum to either get hold of the Raikage, or strike back.


guess I agree with most of the OP.
IMO out 10 I'd say it would be 6/4 in Narutos favor. and with the summons even higher chances (specially Ma and Pa).

 

[Trollasaur]

Aww man i cant deal anymore so much people think Ay can beat Sm naruto for all the wrong reasons when in reality Sm naruto takes Ay with mid-high diff!

As i have said in my previous VS threads, you can choose to debate properly and post come legit counters and arguments, or post troll comments and post troll memes and make your self look like a fool. You're choice has no effect on me but rather your IQ

Gotta give credit to my homie Naruto x man, he pulled up some scans regarding Sm naruto which greatly help me make this thread, his a great debater so hit him up sometimes he recalled some old scans regarding the kurama fight with sm naruto.

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Sm naruto has shown the capabilities to keep up with Ay undoubtedly. People Never put into consideration of Sm narutos enhanced sensing abilities (

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). Take the 3rd raikage was shown to have great evasive and reaction time during the war[

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] Look at these scans regarding the 3rd raikage, he is blind by the rays of the sun yet is still able to dodge the rasenshuriken. We also see a flashback of kcm naruto fighting Ay which shows the speed of the 3rd is no joke

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Now of course hype shows that Ay is known to be faster than his dad while his dad is known for his strong body but no doubt i believe the 3rd's raiton speed is should be somewhat comparable to his sons.

2 versions of Ay's raiton speed.

We are all aware of the fact that Ay has one form of his raiton where its simply raiton but yet another form where his combines his shunshin with it. Not only will Sm naruto be able to sens the raikage and evade him but also sense the build of chakra from the Ay to let him know he is going into his v2 speed.

How can Sm naruto sense the build up Ay's chakra going into v2 mode?

Quite simple really heres a quote from the databook itself.

Senjutsu (仙術; Literally meaning "Sage Techniques") refers to a specialised field of techniques that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy (自然エネルギー, shizen enerugī) around a person. Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu.

This new chakra enables the user to enter an empowered state called Sage Mode, which can then drastically increase the strength of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu. A person who is able to use senjutsu is called a sage (仙人, sennin) and if one perfects sennin mode The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.
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Go straight to the bottom where it saids, '' A person who is able to use senjutsu is called a sage (仙人, sennin) and if one perfects sennin mode The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.''

Naruto mastered Sm which gives him the ability to sense chakra around him. Going by this Sm naruto will be able to sense the build up of chakra from Ay allowing him to know that Ay is planning on increasing his speed.

Underestimating Sm narutos pain endurance and durability.
Everytime theres a discussion between Ay vs Sm naruto people always bring up the scan

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. People simply dont understand that Sage mode and KCM mode serve different purposes and give different advantages. If Ay managed to land a clean hit on Sm naruto he will feel little to no damage because sage mode grants the user high endurance.

Examples of what i mean when i say high pain endurance, he falls off the tip point of a spike and falls to the surface where sharp spikes are and feel little no pain at all.[

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A single punch from Ay isnt enough to harm Sm naruto. People always confuse KCM and overrate when Sage mode is entirely different. While i agree that kCM mode gives the user extra and adds more chakra and what not,

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Sage mode naruto was able to throw kurama.[

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Sm naruto didnt do too bad against kurama especially when kurama hit him point blank with his fist and sm naruto pretty much tanked it.[

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] Unless you're saying Ay has more strength thats kuramas fist? Ay isnt damaging Sm naruto, well atleast not as easy the way people put it.

This fight will be pretty much taijutsu of course.
Both opponents are skillful in the art of taijutsu in this case. It should be noted that Sm naruto is more tuned in nature and his surroundings and which improves his perception around his current environment.[

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While i do agree that Sm naruto will have to be on his guard the whole time due to Ay's speed, Naruto does not need to make direct contact with the opponent to land a hit as

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Rasegan and chidori pretty much always cancel each other out. Note that Pre Ms sasuke was capable of Piercing the 4th raikages raiton armor with a chidori[

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]. What should this say about narutos rasegan? especially his enhanced rasegan.

Sage mode time limit now reduced
The time limit it takes for naruto to re enter SM is actually quite reduced to little to none now since his been getting more used it and

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Look at the confrontation between naruto and iruka,

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look at the Naruto clone enter sage mode within a matter of seconds against the 3rd raikage.[

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Naruto coming up with battle strategies with the use of his clones for the fourth raikage

We already know Naruto comes up with very smart tactics with the use of his clones. As shown in the pain fight, naruto can transform himself into the actual attack[

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]. With Sm narutos amazing strength (picking up kurama and throwing him) he will grab hold of A same as he did with the path of pain[

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]. It possible Ay will be able to get loose of narutos tight grip but most likely he wont but its possible he can.

One more tactic that may work on the fourth raikage

As shown in the pain fight naruto can disguise his clones as the surroundings which he did against pain[

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This trick by naruto will surprise the 4th raikage which may not be able to keep up with all the clones surrounding him as shown against edo madara wood clone managed to catch him by surprise

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Once all the clones surround him, A will have this in store for him.[

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]. A wide scale wall of big ball rasegans from all angles which he may or may not be able to evade, possibly he can with the use of his raiton speed.

taking all this into consideration Naruto re entering sage mode wont take as nearly as long as it used to. Which is why i believe Sm naruto can take Ay with high diff. I didnt go full into detail i just gave the basics.

lol you take it to seriously, did not read the rest

 

[Neonian]

Not another wall of text. Just make it short, and simple/

 

[bogosixone]

Good thread. But i still think A > Naruto,

 

[Blaze Release]

lol, i stopped at the very first paragraph.

"Sm naruto has shown the capabilities to keep up with Ay undoubtedly. People Never put into consideration of Sm narutos enhanced sensing abilities ( sensing danger greater and faster). Take the 3rd raikage was shown to have great evasive and reaction time during the war[1][2] Look at these scans regarding the 3rd raikage, he is blind by the rays of the sun yet is still able to dodge the rasenshuriken. We also see a flashback of kcm naruto fighting Ay which shows the speed of the 3rd is no joke when he takes out a dozen of people in a instant."

Sm naruto hasn't shown any capabilities of keeping up with Ei.
True naruto is one with nature and all that, put people blast to the abyss of their minds that the sandaime raikage was controlled and used to stall the alliance. Yes naruto did well, however sandaime's reaction would have been greater, if he was in control of his own body and not that snake bastard.

Anyway this comes down to whether naruto has fukasaku and shima by his side, but also how many sm clones he created before the fight. Without any sm clones to re-install his sennin modo he will find it hard for him, to shake up Ei while trying to to get into sm again and please do not say sm naruto will defeat EI before he runs out.

Sometimes people forget that naruto isn't staying in sm for the whole duration of a fight without making preparations

 

[Sennin of Logic]

lol, i stopped at the very first paragraph.

"Sm naruto has shown the capabilities to keep up with Ay undoubtedly. People Never put into consideration of Sm narutos enhanced sensing abilities ( sensing danger greater and faster). Take the 3rd raikage was shown to have great evasive and reaction time during the war[1][2] Look at these scans regarding the 3rd raikage, he is blind by the rays of the sun yet is still able to dodge the rasenshuriken. We also see a flashback of kcm naruto fighting Ay which shows the speed of the 3rd is no joke when he takes out a dozen of people in a instant."

Sm naruto hasn't shown any capabilities of keeping up with Ei.
True naruto is one with nature and all that, put people blast to the abyss of their minds that the sandaime raikage was controlled and used to stall the alliance. Yes naruto did well, however sandaime's reaction would have been greater, if he was in control of his own body and not that snake bastard.

Anyway this comes down to whether naruto has fukasaku and shima by his side, but also how many sm clones he created before the fight. Without any sm clones to re-install his sennin modo he will find it hard for him, to shake up Ei while trying to to get into sm again and please do not say sm naruto will defeat EI before he runs out.

Sometimes people forget that naruto isn't staying in sm for the whole duration of a fight without making preparations

If you stopped reading at the first paragraph, you're not a valid judge on the conclusion. Maybe the 3rd's reaction was slowed, but that doesn't change the fact that Naruto dodged his attack and has been shown t keep up with V1.

 

[Blaze Release]

If you stopped reading at the first paragraph, you're not a valid judge on the conclusion. Maybe the 3rd's reaction was slowed, but that doesn't change the fact that Naruto dodged his attack and has been shown t keep up with V1.

But i have a rough idea without needing to complete the thread how the outcome will be.

Imo it depends on whether naruto has sennin clones available to get him back into sm.
Example, i just skim read the rest and paid attention to the OP argument regarding naruto and his sm limitations and it seems he has excluded certain pages that do him no good, lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

But i have a rough idea without needing to complete the thread how the outcome will be.

Imo it depends on whether naruto has sennin clones available to get him back into sm.
Example, i just skim read the rest and paid attention to the OP argument regarding naruto and his sm limitations and it seems he has excluded certain pages that do him no good, lol

Like what? I'm curious because I brought up some of the scans for this thread.